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On 7/31/2012 10:55 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/31/12 10:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 7/31/2012 8:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:19:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:52 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

all we do in the hotel is take a shower before
bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning

===

Sounds like you folks are really cleaning up your act.

I've always been able to think of additional things to do with my
wife in a hotel room!


Harry buys her a package of Hebrew Nationals. That gives her something
to do while he's hooked to his machine catching some shut-eye.

snerk


I have no idea what "machine" the asshole is talking about here...do you?



Here's a hint. Your sleep apnea machine.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:52 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

all we do in the hotel is take a shower before
bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning
===

Sounds like you folks are really cleaning up your act.

Things must get really nasty overnight!

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On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html

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On 8/7/12 8:31 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html




By the time Herring got off a shot, the bear would be eating him...to
the cheers of onlookers.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

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On 8/7/12 9:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html


I imagine we have all accumulated a 12 ga flare gun or 3 over the
years. (the boaters anyway). I am thinking about buying a few packs of
the pepper rounds, just for a less than lethal way of dealing with out
of line people.



I'm sure you encounter lots of people like that, and the flare gun will
help you stand your ground. Hey, it's Florida...what could go wrong?

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

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On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 8:04:25 PM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim

wrote:



On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:



And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,



Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.



http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html





I imagine we have all accumulated a 12 ga flare gun or 3 over the

years. (the boaters anyway). I am thinking about buying a few packs of

the pepper rounds, just for a less than lethal way of dealing with out

of line people.

I used to have one 25 yrs ago on my old '27 ft. Chris Craft, but unfortunately it slipped out of my hand and ended up on the bottom of Lake Carlyle.

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On Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48:15 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:57:14 -0400, wrote:



On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:01:20 -0400, John H.

wrote:



On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote:



On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H.

wrote:



On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:



Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an

extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can

become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the

problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After

hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns

driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy

generator gas.



I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion

kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have

no personal interest (or experience) with their products.



http://www.propane-generators.com/



Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the

camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely

look into that.



Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard.



Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill.



The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it.



Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it

worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the

generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while

riding to Alaska.



The 17# tank is about like 3 gallons of gasoline, give or take.

You get less bang for the gallon on propane so it is probably a bit

less.



Well, at $3.79/gal, there's not a whole hell of a lot of difference. The convenience might be worth

it. But, I can suffer a lot of inconvenience for $380, or whatever!

That's less than an airplane ticket!

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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html


So I should trash the .357 magnum? It's a S&W model 28, and heavy as hell. I suppose it'd make a
decent beach anchor.

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On 8/7/12 9:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:06:59 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/7/12 9:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html


I imagine we have all accumulated a 12 ga flare gun or 3 over the
years. (the boaters anyway). I am thinking about buying a few packs of
the pepper rounds, just for a less than lethal way of dealing with out
of line people.



I'm sure you encounter lots of people like that, and the flare gun will
help you stand your ground. Hey, it's Florida...what could go wrong?

The only places I was ever shot at were in DC or PG County


In this country, I've only been shot at in the south. I've never had any
problems anywhere I've gone in DC or PG County, and I've been all over
both. One of my clients is a major funder of housing rehab projects in
Anacostia, so I am frequently there to get info for website feature
stories. Maybe it was your attitude.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

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In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/7/12 9:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:06:59 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/7/12 9:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html


I imagine we have all accumulated a 12 ga flare gun or 3 over the
years. (the boaters anyway). I am thinking about buying a few packs of
the pepper rounds, just for a less than lethal way of dealing with out
of line people.



I'm sure you encounter lots of people like that, and the flare gun will
help you stand your ground. Hey, it's Florida...what could go wrong?

The only places I was ever shot at were in DC or PG County


In this country, I've only been shot at in the south. I've never had any
problems anywhere I've gone in DC or PG County, and I've been all over
both. One of my clients is a major funder of housing rehab projects in
Anacostia, so I am frequently there to get info for website feature
stories. Maybe it was your attitude.

Then why the alleged concealed carry permit?

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:51:34 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/7/12 9:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:06:59 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/7/12 9:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html


I imagine we have all accumulated a 12 ga flare gun or 3 over the
years. (the boaters anyway). I am thinking about buying a few packs of
the pepper rounds, just for a less than lethal way of dealing with out
of line people.



I'm sure you encounter lots of people like that, and the flare gun will
help you stand your ground. Hey, it's Florida...what could go wrong?

The only places I was ever shot at were in DC or PG County


In this country, I've only been shot at in the south. I've never had any
problems anywhere I've gone in DC or PG County, and I've been all over
both. One of my clients is a major funder of housing rehab projects in
Anacostia, so I am frequently there to get info for website feature
stories. Maybe it was your attitude.

Then why the alleged concealed carry permit?


He says it is because it was so easy ... In Maryland

I call Bull**** on that.

Harry may be a "State of Maryland Regulated Firearm Collector" which
does not permit him to carry a concealed firearm.

Harry may have obtained a Utah or some other state's CCW but, it isn't
good in Maryland, at this time.

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On 8/8/12 9:52 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:12:05 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/7/12 9:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:06:59 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/7/12 9:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html


I imagine we have all accumulated a 12 ga flare gun or 3 over the
years. (the boaters anyway). I am thinking about buying a few packs of
the pepper rounds, just for a less than lethal way of dealing with out
of line people.



I'm sure you encounter lots of people like that, and the flare gun will
help you stand your ground. Hey, it's Florida...what could go wrong?

The only places I was ever shot at were in DC or PG County


In this country, I've only been shot at in the south. I've never had any
problems anywhere I've gone in DC or PG County, and I've been all over
both. One of my clients is a major funder of housing rehab projects in
Anacostia, so I am frequently there to get info for website feature
stories. Maybe it was your attitude.

I bet you were safely back in your suburban home by dark.


Sometimes, sometimes not. I've been to parties at private homes in some
"iffy" neighborhoods in DC. Many years ago, my personal physician was
shot and later died outside his DC home, which was in a very good
neighborhood. The shooter lived in the toniest neighborhood in suburban
Virginia.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

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On 8/8/12 9:53 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:51:34 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/7/12 9:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:06:59 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/7/12 9:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html


I imagine we have all accumulated a 12 ga flare gun or 3 over the
years. (the boaters anyway). I am thinking about buying a few packs of
the pepper rounds, just for a less than lethal way of dealing with out
of line people.



I'm sure you encounter lots of people like that, and the flare gun will
help you stand your ground. Hey, it's Florida...what could go wrong?

The only places I was ever shot at were in DC or PG County


In this country, I've only been shot at in the south. I've never had any
problems anywhere I've gone in DC or PG County, and I've been all over
both. One of my clients is a major funder of housing rehab projects in
Anacostia, so I am frequently there to get info for website feature
stories. Maybe it was your attitude.

Then why the alleged concealed carry permit?


He says it is because it was so easy ... In Maryland

I call Bull**** on that.



I didn't say it was easy. I believe I said it wasn't much of a deal to
get it.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

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On 8/8/12 10:04 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:51:34 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/7/12 9:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:06:59 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/7/12 9:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html


I imagine we have all accumulated a 12 ga flare gun or 3 over the
years. (the boaters anyway). I am thinking about buying a few packs of
the pepper rounds, just for a less than lethal way of dealing with out
of line people.



I'm sure you encounter lots of people like that, and the flare gun will
help you stand your ground. Hey, it's Florida...what could go wrong?

The only places I was ever shot at were in DC or PG County


In this country, I've only been shot at in the south. I've never had any
problems anywhere I've gone in DC or PG County, and I've been all over
both. One of my clients is a major funder of housing rehab projects in
Anacostia, so I am frequently there to get info for website feature
stories. Maybe it was your attitude.

Then why the alleged concealed carry permit?


He says it is because it was so easy ... In Maryland

I call Bull**** on that.

Harry may be a "State of Maryland Regulated Firearm Collector" which
does not permit him to carry a concealed firearm.

Harry may have obtained a Utah or some other state's CCW but, it isn't
good in Maryland, at this time.



A Utah CCW? No thanks. As for the rest of your post, it's worth a smirk.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 09:51:05 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 06:49:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html


So I should trash the .357 magnum? It's a S&W model 28, and heavy as hell. I suppose it'd make a
decent beach anchor.

.357 is a great cartridge. They just fell out of favor when people
decided they needed 20 rounds to get the job done and they migrated to
the inferior 9mm.

I am really surprised someone has not gone back to the 38 super with a
slight case modification and a .357 ballistic payload. You could
double stack them for a 18-19 round mag.


The model28 is a revolver. But it shoots well, and I've put a lot of .38 rounds thru it.

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Tim wrote:
On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,
Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga. slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html


That's interesting... The bad part is that any felon could buy one.

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X ` Man wrote:
On 8/7/12 8:31 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not
likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga.
slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html




By the time Herring got off a shot, the bear would be eating him...to
the cheers of onlookers.

Always on the attack, Harry. Why?

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In article , earl11872
@hotmail.com says...

X ` Man wrote:
On 8/7/12 8:31 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not
likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga.
slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html




By the time Herring got off a shot, the bear would be eating him...to
the cheers of onlookers.

Always on the attack, Harry. Why?

Because insults and name calling is all he has.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

On 8/9/12 8:58 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , earl11872
@hotmail.com says...

X ` Man wrote:
On 8/7/12 8:31 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not
likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga.
slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html




By the time Herring got off a shot, the bear would be eating him...to
the cheers of onlookers.

Always on the attack, Harry. Why?

Because insults and name calling is all he has.



Hey, in an encounter between herring and a bear, I'm on the side of the
bear, a being who adds quality to the environment.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

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Speaking of propane...

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!





--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb

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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb

He's only a web designer when he brags about it here, he really doesn't
know how.

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On Aug 9, 9:58*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , earl11872
@hotmail.com says...







X ` Man wrote:
On 8/7/12 8:31 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not
likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga.
slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html

By the time Herring got off a shot, the bear would be eating him...to
the cheers of onlookers.

Always on the attack, Harry. *Why?

Because insults and name calling *is* all he has.

Shouldn't that be *are*, Kevin?

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

In article 984bb471-7890-453c-89e8-be176972ea09
@n13g2000vby.googlegroups.com, says...

On Aug 9, 9:58*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , earl11872
@hotmail.com says...







X ` Man wrote:
On 8/7/12 8:31 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:14:45 PM UTC-5, X ` Man wrote:

And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not
likely to stop them,

Nah, not enough penetration. He needs a .44 magnum or a 12ga.
slug/flare gun.

http://www.firequest.com/FJ71100.html

By the time Herring got off a shot, the bear would be eating him...to
the cheers of onlookers.

Always on the attack, Harry. *Why?

Because insults and name calling *is* all he has.

Shouldn't that be *are*, Kevin?

You still don't have the friggin' brains to understand that I'm not
kevin, I see. And you sure were quick to come and defend your fat
boyfriend.

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On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb


That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.





--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb


That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb


That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned.


1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the
only company that can fill it, contractually.

2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it.

The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is
$2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000
less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less
expensive.

I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been
depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so
I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to
pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did
this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the
"rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price
when the tank needs a refill.

These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes
were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of
life at that time only if I'm not buried.











--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb


That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned.


1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the
only company that can fill it, contractually.

2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it.

The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is
$2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000
less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less
expensive.

I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been
depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so
I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to
pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did
this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the
"rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price
when the tank needs a refill.

These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes
were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of
life at that time only if I'm not buried.

Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:07:28 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

The down side is they are butt ugly and have to be 25' from the house
so it ends up out in the yard somewhere. One more thing you have to
mow around. I prefer it underground.

That's all true but so is the fact that they aren't as safe buried.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

On 8/9/12 3:10 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:07:28 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

The down side is they are butt ugly and have to be 25' from the house
so it ends up out in the yard somewhere. One more thing you have to
mow around. I prefer it underground.


I wonder if the distance from the house reg has softened. I've seen some
new construction with vertical propane tanks right next to the house.
Maybe they didn't bother with a permit. I know our genny had to be at
least 5' away from the foundation wall, because there's a window in that
wall near where the genny needed to go. I don't see any real downside to
a buried tank.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/9/12 3:10 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:07:28 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

The down side is they are butt ugly and have to be 25' from the house
so it ends up out in the yard somewhere. One more thing you have to
mow around. I prefer it underground.


I wonder if the distance from the house reg has softened. I've seen some
new construction with vertical propane tanks right next to the house.
Maybe they didn't bother with a permit. I know our genny had to be at
least 5' away from the foundation wall, because there's a window in that
wall near where the genny needed to go. I don't see any real downside to
a buried tank.

Safety is the downside.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb


That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned.


1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the
only company that can fill it, contractually.

2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it.

The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is
$2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000
less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less
expensive.

I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been
depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so
I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to
pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did
this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the
"rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price
when the tank needs a refill.

These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes
were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of
life at that time only if I'm not buried.

Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the
ground.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 17:42:14 -0400, Meyer wrote:

Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the
ground.

===

You're missing something.

Propane is heavier than air but it's a whole lot lighter than the
ground.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

On Aug 9, 10:33*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 17:42:14 -0400, Meyer wrote:
Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the
ground.

===

You're missing something.

Propane is heavier than air but it's a whole lot lighter than the
ground.

maybe FlatulentJim expects the propane to seep down to China.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

In article om,
says...

On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb


That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned.


1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the
only company that can fill it, contractually.

2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it.

The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is
$2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000
less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less
expensive.

I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been
depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so
I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to
pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did
this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the
"rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price
when the tank needs a refill.

These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes
were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of
life at that time only if I'm not buried.

Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the
ground.

No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"?

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb


That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned.


1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the
only company that can fill it, contractually.

2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it.

The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is
$2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000
less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less
expensive.

I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been
depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so
I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to
pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did
this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the
"rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price
when the tank needs a refill.

These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes
were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of
life at that time only if I'm not buried.

Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the
ground.

No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"?

Yes. Every time I see your posts, I think density.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

In article m,
says...

On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb


That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned.


1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the
only company that can fill it, contractually.

2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it.

The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is
$2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000
less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less
expensive.

I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been
depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so
I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to
pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did
this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the
"rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price
when the tank needs a refill.

These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes
were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of
life at that time only if I'm not buried.

Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the
ground.

No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"?

Yes. Every time I see your posts, I think density.

This from the person who thinks propane will "sink further into the
ground"!!!!!

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

On 8/10/2012 9:27 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb


That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned.


1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the
only company that can fill it, contractually.

2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it.

The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is
$2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000
less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less
expensive.

I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been
depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so
I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to
pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did
this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the
"rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price
when the tank needs a refill.

These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes
were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of
life at that time only if I'm not buried.

Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the
ground.

No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"?


Yes. Every time I see your posts, I think density.

This from the person who thinks propane will "sink further into the
ground"!!!!!

Upon further examination, I discovered that liquid propane will quickly
vaporize and dissipate before any ground saturation occurs.
Happy now?

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

On 8/10/12 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb


That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned.


1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the
only company that can fill it, contractually.

2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it.

The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is
$2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000
less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less
expensive.

I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been
depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so
I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to
pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did
this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the
"rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price
when the tank needs a refill.

These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes
were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of
life at that time only if I'm not buried.

Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the
ground.

No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"?



It's just amazing how you two can drool and drool and drool on a thread
and add absolutely nothing useful. Your moron buddy Meyer offers up a
site that he claims has propane prices on line and, of course, it
doesn't, and you're spitting up "safety tips" that are of no interest.

Yet another thread on rec.boats trashed by the morons.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
 

On 8/10/2012 10:12 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't
post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an
outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local"
delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank
without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb


That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to
recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a
year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes
by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in
March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of
LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful
of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was
helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in
nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for
delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging
*today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a
spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is
the only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the
requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch
companies, be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two
tanks at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned.


1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank
is the
only company that can fill it, contractually.

2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it.

The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is
$2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to
$1000
less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less
expensive.

I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been
depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing
it so
I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to
pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did
this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the
"rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price
when the tank needs a refill.

These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if
anodes
were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of
life at that time only if I'm not buried.

Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the
ground.

No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"?



It's just amazing how you two can drool and drool and drool on a thread
and add absolutely nothing useful. Your moron buddy Meyer offers up a
site that he claims has propane prices on line and, of course, it
doesn't, and you're spitting up "safety tips" that are of no interest.

Yet another thread on rec.boats trashed by the morons.

Please refer us to ANY thread you have posted to in the past year in
which you added value.