Affordable Care Act...
 

....Constitutional...

Affordable Care Act...
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

...Constitutional...

I wonder what Scotty will go insane about now?

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/28/12 11:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

...Constitutional...

I wonder what Scotty will go insane about now?



Well, since he raved so often and loudly about it, I suspect he'll next
be whining about being required to buy health insurance or paying the
penalty for not buying it...in a couple of years. His days of sticking
those of us with health care insurance with his medical bills for not
having it are coming to a close.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/28/2012 9:20 AM, X ` Man wrote:
...Constitutional...

It's time for me to join the socialists?
I pay $6,200 for my healthcare premium with a $10,000 deductible, and
then I put $7,150 into my health savings account.
So each year I spend $13,350 for my families healthcare.

So what steps do I need to do to get the taxpayers to take care of
my health needs?

Mikek

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/28/12 12:18 PM, amdx wrote:
On 6/28/2012 9:20 AM, X ` Man wrote:
...Constitutional...

It's time for me to join the socialists?
I pay $6,200 for my healthcare premium with a $10,000 deductible, and
then I put $7,150 into my health savings account.
So each year I spend $13,350 for my families healthcare.

So what steps do I need to do to get the taxpayers to take care of
my health needs?

Mikek


You obviously do not understand how insurance works.

Affordable Care Act...
 

In article ,
says...

On 6/28/2012 9:20 AM, X ` Man wrote:
...Constitutional...

It's time for me to join the socialists?
I pay $6,200 for my healthcare premium with a $10,000 deductible, and
then I put $7,150 into my health savings account.
So each year I spend $13,350 for my families healthcare.

So what steps do I need to do to get the taxpayers to take care of
my health needs?

Mikek

Vote.

Well what other kind of options are viable for you?

Affordable Care Act...
 

In article ,
says...


Where does the money for the subsidized premiums come from?
Are you suggesting that the person making $100K and paying $15k per
year in family
health insurance premiums is not paying enough? That rate is
pretty much the norm now and people in that category are having
a tough time paying 15% of their income on health insurance.
Why should they pay that if they can just pay $1k per year as a "tax"?

It sounds like a $100k income (today) would qualify for subsidized
premiums. So where do we draw the line .... $150k ... $200K ...
$300K?

If so, then you will end up with a society whereby the upper 5% of
wage
earners are subsidizing everyone else's premiums. I don't think
that is going to fly, even if it can be justified by some.

There's something missing here and I still don't understand what it
is.

I am watching (and listening to) the MSNBC crowd talk as I type.
I keep hearing the phrase, ".... makes health care premiums
affordable
to those who could not afford it before ...." and, ".... will add
millions
of people to the insurance pool".

Huh? How did those who couldn't afford it before now be able to
afford it?
Subsidized? By whom? Not by those who previously paid but now
just go for the $1k tax. Same with those who make over $300k/yr.
Just pay the "tax" instead. It's a lot less expensive. And there
goes your
money for subsidies.

I don't get it. Either I am all screwed up in my understanding of
this plan
or the plan is all screwed up. Or both.

With everybody in the system your "hypothetical" premium of $15k won't
hold. It's actuarially unsound, and based on that premium paying for
the uninsured and other inflated U.S. health care costs.
Of course you know by now that the current U.S. health care/insurance
system is the world's least efficient. Right?
Subsidies are pegged now in the AHCA up to 400% of poverty level, which
is $88k for a family of 4. They won't pay more than 9.5% of their
income for insurance premiums.
I haven't seen anything for above 400% of poverty level, but a
reasonable view is your %100k family wouldn't go past 10% of income for
premiums before their squawking about "unfairness" would be heard, and
rightfully so. Still less than they're paying now, but their expense
should be capped. Only fair.
Congress can address this as it comes up. (haha)
Likewise the tax for not carrying insurance. That can easily be raised
to near the cost of what they would pay in premiums, bringing those
deadbeats to heel.
Some will call this overbearing government. Others will call it civic
responsibility. In any case, there will be tweaks to the law.

Affordable Care Act...
 

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...


With everybody in the system your "hypothetical" premium of $15k won't
hold. It's actuarially unsound, and based on that premium paying for
the uninsured and other inflated U.S. health care costs.
Of course you know by now that the current U.S. health care/insurance
system is the world's least efficient. Right?
Subsidies are pegged now in the AHCA up to 400% of poverty level,
which
is $88k for a family of 4. They won't pay more than 9.5% of their
income for insurance premiums.
I haven't seen anything for above 400% of poverty level, but a
reasonable view is your %100k family wouldn't go past 10% of income
for
premiums before their squawking about "unfairness" would be heard, and
rightfully so. Still less than they're paying now, but their expense
should be capped. Only fair.
Congress can address this as it comes up. (haha)
Likewise the tax for not carrying insurance. That can easily be
raised
to near the cost of what they would pay in premiums, bringing those
deadbeats to heel.
Some will call this overbearing government. Others will call it civic
responsibility. In any case, there will be tweaks to the law.

--------------------------------

Thanks. In theory it makes sense I guess, but certainly the plan will
have
to be tweaked and holes plugged. I am not sure I buy the fact that
more
people will be in the "system" thereby lowering insurance rates. In
fact,
I can envision as many or more exiting the market for health insurance
and just paying the tax. I suspect that having a mandate that
"forces"
those who can afford to pay to do so would have changed the
Supreme Court decision. The wording of the plan carefully avoided
that.

It's screwed up. But it's a first step.

Eisboch (a conservative who believes health care for all "is" a
federal government responsibility)

Affordable Care Act...
 

On Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:43:31 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

...Constitutional...

I wonder what Scotty will go insane about now?

I can give you extreme lefties something to go insane about.

You need to thank President Bush for the survival of the health care plan.

He put Roberts on the Supreme Court.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/28/12 7:13 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...


With everybody in the system your "hypothetical" premium of $15k won't
hold. It's actuarially unsound, and based on that premium paying for
the uninsured and other inflated U.S. health care costs.
Of course you know by now that the current U.S. health care/insurance
system is the world's least efficient. Right?
Subsidies are pegged now in the AHCA up to 400% of poverty level, which
is $88k for a family of 4. They won't pay more than 9.5% of their
income for insurance premiums.
I haven't seen anything for above 400% of poverty level, but a
reasonable view is your %100k family wouldn't go past 10% of income for
premiums before their squawking about "unfairness" would be heard, and
rightfully so. Still less than they're paying now, but their expense
should be capped. Only fair.
Congress can address this as it comes up. (haha)
Likewise the tax for not carrying insurance. That can easily be raised
to near the cost of what they would pay in premiums, bringing those
deadbeats to heel.
Some will call this overbearing government. Others will call it civic
responsibility. In any case, there will be tweaks to the law.

--------------------------------

Thanks. In theory it makes sense I guess, but certainly the plan will have
to be tweaked and holes plugged. I am not sure I buy the fact that more
people will be in the "system" thereby lowering insurance rates. In fact,
I can envision as many or more exiting the market for health insurance
and just paying the tax. I suspect that having a mandate that "forces"
those who can afford to pay to do so would have changed the
Supreme Court decision. The wording of the plan carefully avoided
that.

It's screwed up. But it's a first step.

Eisboch (a conservative who believes health care for all "is" a federal
government responsibility)



At some point the majority of Americans will realize the health
insurance industry adds nothing but cost to the delivery of medical
services. Perhaps we will evolve to the point that the private health
insurers will be limited to selling "supplemental" insurance.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/28/2012 11:20 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/28/12 12:18 PM, amdx wrote:
On 6/28/2012 9:20 AM, X ` Man wrote:
...Constitutional...

It's time for me to join the socialists?
I pay $6,200 for my healthcare premium with a $10,000 deductible, and
then I put $7,150 into my health savings account.
So each year I spend $13,350 for my families healthcare.

So what steps do I need to do to get the taxpayers to take care of
my health needs?

Mikek


You obviously do not understand how insurance works.

Please explain what you think I don't understand.
Mikek

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/28/2012 9:20 AM, X ` Man wrote:
...Constitutional...

This will be one more additional government program that is
underfunded and will cause higher taxes and make the United
States economy even worse. 10, 20 or 30 years from now we
will be suffering sever problems with S.S., Medicaid, government
pensions, military pensions, food stamp programs, etc.
The answer is to cut back on benefits, but with such a high
percentage of the population sucking on the government breast
the politicians can't do the right thing.
We are becoming a third rate nation.
Mikek

Why is it a foreigner can come here and in 15 years
have a net worth in the top 15%, but a native finds
food stamps, public housing and medicaid a way of life?

Affordable Care Act...
 

In article ,
says...

On Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:43:31 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

...Constitutional...

I wonder what Scotty will go insane about now?

I can give you extreme lefties something to go insane about.

You need to thank President Bush for the survival of the health care plan.

He put Roberts on the Supreme Court.

I'm a middle of the road type, but yes, Roberts indeed does have his
head on straight.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On Friday, June 29, 2012 7:26:40 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 6/28/2012 9:20 AM, X ` Man wrote:
...Constitutional...

This will be one more additional government program that is
underfunded and will cause higher taxes and make the United
States economy even worse. 10, 20 or 30 years from now we
will be suffering sever problems with S.S., Medicaid, government
pensions, military pensions, food stamp programs, etc.
The answer is to cut back on benefits, but with such a high
percentage of the population sucking on the government breast
the politicians can't do the right thing.
We are becoming a third rate nation.
Mikek

Why is it a foreigner can come here and in 15 years
have a net worth in the top 15%, but a native finds
food stamps, public housing and medicaid a way of life?

Because they are hungry for something better, and have a good work ethic.

The vast majority of "natives" grow up wanting for little, and the work ethic has been bred out of them, instead replace by a sense of entitlement. The child rearing revolution of the 80's, and the fact we no longer use red ink in school or keep little league score is also a big factor. Basically, we're raising generations of self-centered, spoiled brats.

As evidenced right here, *some* families actually started that practice 60+ years ago.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/12 8:46 AM, wrote:
On Friday, June 29, 2012 7:26:40 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 6/28/2012 9:20 AM, X ` Man wrote:
...Constitutional...

This will be one more additional government program that is
underfunded and will cause higher taxes and make the United
States economy even worse. 10, 20 or 30 years from now we
will be suffering sever problems with S.S., Medicaid, government
pensions, military pensions, food stamp programs, etc.
The answer is to cut back on benefits, but with such a high
percentage of the population sucking on the government breast
the politicians can't do the right thing.
We are becoming a third rate nation.
Mikek

Why is it a foreigner can come here and in 15 years
have a net worth in the top 15%, but a native finds
food stamps, public housing and medicaid a way of life?

Because they are hungry for something better, and have a good work ethic.

The vast majority of "natives" grow up wanting for little, and the work ethic has been bred out of them, instead replace by a sense of entitlement. The child rearing revolution of the 80's, and the fact we no longer use red ink in school or keep little league score is also a big factor. Basically, we're raising generations of self-centered, spoiled brats.

As evidenced right here, *some* families actually started that practice 60+ years ago.



What are your kids doing these days? Burning womens' health clinics?

Affordable Care Act...
 

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:31:45 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

The U.S. Constitution was incomplete and needed tweaking.

===

And it still says nothing about providing health care.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:28:11 -0400, BAR wrote:

If enough people opt out and simply pay the 1% tax, how can this
system possibly work?

What am I missing?

The solution to the money problem is rationing. Welcome to the queue.

===

That's how it is in Canada - 2 and 3 month waits to treat conditions
that are not considered life threatening, things like dislocated
shoulders for example.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/12 10:29 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:31:45 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

The U.S. Constitution was incomplete and needed tweaking.

===

And it still says nothing about providing health care.


So what? There is lots not mentioned in the Constitution that we have...

Affordable Care Act...
 

In article ,
says...


This is the most screwed up, convoluted law ever enacted.
The intent is admirable .... to make health care affordable
for all,

Bull****. You said you're a "conservative."
The "conservatives" in Congress DON'T BELIEVE that health care should be
affordable for all.
If they did, they'd write a bill that did that.
"Conservatives" DON'T BELIEVE THAT HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE AFFORDABLE FOR
ALL!
So be an honest man and lay out your plan.
Nobody with over an ounce of brain matter buys this bull****.
It's really as simple as that. I'm tired of this lying, ostensibly
"reasonable" bull****. Cut to the facts. It's all in the facts.
All other first world countries solved this years or decades ago.
I repeat, lay out your "conservative" plan and don't try jacking honest
people around. Then convince your so-call "conservative" compatriots.
BTW, labeling yourself a "conservative" ties you up with that political
hack crowd, as I hope I've made clear.
To real "reasonable" people, those who label themselves like a dime-
store item as "liberals" and "conservatives" are ****ing idiots.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/12 11:31 AM, JustWait wrote:


If I were on the other side I would scream "The democrats don't want you
to have doctors".

Scream away. No one rational follows you...the rational people just poke
fun at you.

Affordable Care Act...
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:28:11 -0400, BAR wrote:

If enough people opt out and simply pay the 1% tax, how can this
system possibly work?

What am I missing?

The solution to the money problem is rationing. Welcome to the queue.

===

That's how it is in Canada - 2 and 3 month waits to treat conditions
that are not considered life threatening, things like dislocated
shoulders for example.

Those are the extremes, not the norm. I was in Canada a few years back,
camping in Algonquin and my friend split his toe open. Went to a local
hospital and was in and out in 30 min.

Affordable Care Act...
 

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:28:11 -0400, BAR wrote:

If enough people opt out and simply pay the 1% tax, how can this
system possibly work?

What am I missing?

The solution to the money problem is rationing. Welcome to the queue.

===

That's how it is in Canada - 2 and 3 month waits to treat conditions
that are not considered life threatening, things like dislocated
shoulders for example.

Those are the extremes, not the norm. I was in Canada a few years back,
camping in Algonquin and my friend split his toe open. Went to a local
hospital and was in and out in 30 min.

If they want to double the pct of GNP they spend on health care to what
the U.S. spends, they can cut the wait times.
As it is +80% of Canadians are happy with their system. Compare to the
U.S. They can vote it out and go all private if they want.
It's called Democracy. Same here.
Besides, Canada's system doesn't have a thing to do with the U.S.
Typical "conservative" red herring when somebody mentions Canada.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/2012 11:48 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:28:11 -0400, BAR wrote:

If enough people opt out and simply pay the 1% tax, how can this
system possibly work?

What am I missing?

The solution to the money problem is rationing. Welcome to the queue.

===

That's how it is in Canada - 2 and 3 month waits to treat conditions
that are not considered life threatening, things like dislocated
shoulders for example.

Those are the extremes, not the norm. I was in Canada a few years back,
camping in Algonquin and my friend split his toe open. Went to a local
hospital and was in and out in 30 min.


Did his toe survive?

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


Well, to start with a lot of those high value health plan holders
(unions) who have been exempted from the taxes on their benefits.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


My name is Oscar and I approve this message

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/12 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


Most of the western world doesn't share your opinion. And we're not
talking about the federal government as a provider of healthcare
here...Medicare, after all, may be a federal program, but it is not
supplying the physicians, nurses, therapists, prescriptions, et cetera,
merely the mechanism for payment.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/12 12:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


Well, to start with a lot of those high value health plan holders
(unions) who have been exempted from the taxes on their benefits.


If only you had the skills to be in a union and have decent health care
insurance, eh?

Affordable Care Act...
 

In article om, 5@
5.com says...

On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


My name is Oscar and I approve this message

Then both of you fools should give up your Medicare.
Who the hell do you think you're fooling?
Amazing how folks can flap their lips thinking nobody can recognize
gibberish.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/2012 1:09 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/29/12 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


Most of the western world doesn't share your opinion. And we're not
talking about the federal government as a provider of healthcare
here...Medicare, after all, may be a federal program, but it is not
supplying the physicians, nurses, therapists, prescriptions, et cetera,
merely the mechanism for payment.


You are of course referring to several decades ago when it was customary
for physicians to manage their patients' healthcare. How insightful of you.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/2012 1:10 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/29/12 12:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


Well, to start with a lot of those high value health plan holders
(unions) who have been exempted from the taxes on their benefits.


If only you had the skills to be in a union and have decent health care
insurance, eh?

Healthcare for ALL is the topic.

Any monkey can be taught the skills necessary to become a union member.
take your honey's union for instance.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/2012 1:12 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article om, 5@
5.com says...

On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


My name is Oscar and I approve this message

Then both of you fools should give up your Medicare.
Who the hell do you think you're fooling?
Amazing how folks can flap their lips thinking nobody can recognize
gibberish.


Can't do that. I already paid for it. Forced to pay for it, I might add.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/2012 1:28 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/29/2012 1:10 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/29/12 12:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't
mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


Well, to start with a lot of those high value health plan holders
(unions) who have been exempted from the taxes on their benefits.


If only you had the skills to be in a union and have decent health care
insurance, eh?

Healthcare for ALL is the topic.

Any monkey can be taught the skills necessary to become a union member.
take your honey's union for instance.


Well, if you are counting "claimed" skills here on rec.boats, I am sure
harry wins by a mile...

Affordable Care Act...
 

In article , dump-on-
says...


Once again, Medicare is not government health care. Medicare is a method
of paying for health care and to a limited degree controlling its costs.


Are you ****ing kidding - try to make fine, or even gross distinctions
with the likes of these people?
Doesn't work that way.

Affordable Care Act...
 

In article m,
says...


Can't do that. I already paid for it. Forced to pay for it, I might add.

That's what all the socialists sucking gov titty say.
"Free" men don't buy that sniveling crap.
You're just part of the "problem." ******.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/12 1:36 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/29/2012 1:28 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/29/2012 1:10 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/29/12 12:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't
mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


Well, to start with a lot of those high value health plan holders
(unions) who have been exempted from the taxes on their benefits.


If only you had the skills to be in a union and have decent health care
insurance, eh?

Healthcare for ALL is the topic.

Any monkey can be taught the skills necessary to become a union member.
take your honey's union for instance.


Well, if you are counting "claimed" skills here on rec.boats, I am sure
harry wins by a mile...



This from a little man with *no* marketable skills, who failed as a
warehouse worker, failed as an auto mechanic, failed as a builder of
rowboats, failed as an operator of an internet services reseller, and
failed as manager of a winning kiddie motorbike racing team.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/2012 1:39 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...


Once again, Medicare is not government health care. Medicare is a method
of paying for health care and to a limited degree controlling its costs.


Are you ****ing kidding - try to make fine, or even gross distinctions
with the likes of these people?
Doesn't work that way.

Medicare is a reincarnation of private healthcare management with more
fraud and corruption.

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/2012 1:42 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article m,
says...


Can't do that. I already paid for it. Forced to pay for it, I might add.

That's what all the socialists sucking gov titty say.
"Free" men don't buy that sniveling crap.
You're just part of the "problem." ******.

You are so wrong, but you know that, don't you?

Affordable Care Act...
 

On 6/29/2012 1:44 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/29/12 1:36 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/29/2012 1:28 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/29/2012 1:10 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/29/12 12:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't
mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal
bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


Well, to start with a lot of those high value health plan holders
(unions) who have been exempted from the taxes on their benefits.


If only you had the skills to be in a union and have decent health care
insurance, eh?

Healthcare for ALL is the topic.

Any monkey can be taught the skills necessary to become a union member.
take your honey's union for instance.


Well, if you are counting "claimed" skills here on rec.boats, I am sure
harry wins by a mile...



This from a little man with *no* marketable skills, who failed as a
warehouse worker, failed as an auto mechanic, failed as a builder of
rowboats, failed as an operator of an internet services reseller, and
failed as manager of a winning kiddie motorbike racing team.

Unions specialize in keeping failures employed. Falls under the category
of screwing businesses. Eh poopsie?