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On 7/3/2012 6:10 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:30:38 -0700, thumper wrote: On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote: I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would want such an organization to be responsible for their health care? As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough call. Perhaps they should compete. ===== Maybe we've been forunate but our health insurance companies have done a good job for us with only minimal quibbling. When/if the government gets in the business there will be no competiion at all, and no legal recourse. So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. |
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"thumper" wrote in message ...
On 7/3/2012 6:10 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:30:38 -0700, thumper wrote: On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote: I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would want such an organization to be responsible for their health care? As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough call. Perhaps they should compete. ===== Maybe we've been forunate but our health insurance companies have done a good job for us with only minimal quibbling. When/if the government gets in the business there will be no competiion at all, and no legal recourse. So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? |
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On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html |
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On 7/6/2012 1:36 AM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html That's Harry's argument. Are you one of his sock puppets? |
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"thumper" wrote in message ...
On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus. http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...&topic=38131.0 |
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On Jul 6, 11:04*am, "Califbill" wrote:
"thumper" *wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" *wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? *If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. *Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? *Are they smarter than us? *Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? *Long waits for less than critical care? *Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? *I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. *took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. *How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. *and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. |
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On 7/6/2012 10:04 AM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus. http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...&topic=38131.0 I understand that is a painful injury. I would be happy to find comfortable accommodations In The US for any of our Canadian rec.boats friends who want surgery on a more timely basis than they can expect in Canada. |
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On 7/6/2012 10:36 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. Ahhh spirits. You are very familiar with spirits. |
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On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed a method to wellness. Will that be the case when the government is running health care. Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life. How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. |
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"North Star" wrote in message
... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. |
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"thumper" wrote in message ...
On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed a method to wellness. Will that be the case when the government is running health care. Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life. How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ------------------------------------ Longevity is not quality of life. My mother had quality of life for 92 of her 96 years. My dad had quality of life for 62 of his 68 years. Bone Cancer killed my dad. A very bad way to go. I see a lot of excess spending on extending life for a very short time. My mom's best friend, Betty, had Congestive Heart Failure. 94 years old, and they spent $63,000 to extend her life 1 week. that is wrong. when someone is the far gone, why spend excess money trying to cure the incurable? Just make them comfortable. |
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On 7/6/2012 11:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ... How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ------------------------------------ Longevity is not quality of life. My mother had quality of life for 92 of her 96 years. My dad had quality of life for 62 of his 68 years. Bone Cancer killed my dad. A very bad way to go. I see a lot of excess spending on extending life for a very short time. My mom's best friend, Betty, had Congestive Heart Failure. 94 years old, and they spent $63,000 to extend her life 1 week. that is wrong. when someone is the far gone, why spend excess money trying to cure the incurable? Just make them comfortable. I agree with you regarding excessive and expensive measures when quality of life is gone (assisted suicide, 'death panels'[family]?) but the question remains as to how you would quantify effectiveness of a health care system if not by longevity. |
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On Jul 7, 3:02*am, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" *wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" *wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" *wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? *If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. *Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? *Are they smarter than us? *Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? *Long waits for less than critical care? *Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? *I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. *took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. *How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. *and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. *Is that included in your healthcare costs? *I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. *Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. *A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! *Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. *I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. *Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. *You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! |
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On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter buddies on you. |
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On 7/7/2012 7:44 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! You get on a lot of peoples nerves. Bill has you pegged. Bang on in your vernacular. |
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On 7/7/2012 2:11 AM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ... On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed a method to wellness. Will that be the case when the government is running health care. Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life. How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ------------------------------------ Longevity is not quality of life. My mother had quality of life for 92 of her 96 years. My dad had quality of life for 62 of his 68 years. Bone Cancer killed my dad. A very bad way to go. I see a lot of excess spending on extending life for a very short time. My mom's best friend, Betty, had Congestive Heart Failure. 94 years old, and they spent $63,000 to extend her life 1 week. that is wrong. when someone is the far gone, why spend excess money trying to cure the incurable? Just make them comfortable. Hospice care should be considered for all terminally ill patients. There's a lot more to it than pain killing drug administration. |
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On 7/7/2012 3:11 AM, thumper wrote:
On 7/6/2012 11:11 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ------------------------------------ Longevity is not quality of life. My mother had quality of life for 92 of her 96 years. My dad had quality of life for 62 of his 68 years. Bone Cancer killed my dad. A very bad way to go. I see a lot of excess spending on extending life for a very short time. My mom's best friend, Betty, had Congestive Heart Failure. 94 years old, and they spent $63,000 to extend her life 1 week. that is wrong. when someone is the far gone, why spend excess money trying to cure the incurable? Just make them comfortable. I agree with you regarding excessive and expensive measures when quality of life is gone (assisted suicide, 'death panels'[family]?) but the question remains as to how you would quantify effectiveness of a health care system if not by longevity. Making the longevity stastics look good has nothing to do with Quality of life. |
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can.com wrote: On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote: On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" *wrote in message .... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" *wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" *wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? *If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. *Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? *Are they smarter than us? *Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? *Long waits for less than critical care? *Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? *I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. *took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. *How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. *and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. *Is that included in your healthcare costs? *I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. *Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. *A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! *Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. *I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. *Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. *You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. * SNERK! Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter buddies on you. Snotties insanity seems to be contagious |
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On 7/7/12 8:59 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jul 7, 9:00 am, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote: On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter buddies on you. Snotties insanity seems to be contagious We could call it...the "Snotties." |
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In article , lid says...
On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed a method to wellness. Will that be the case when the government is running health care. Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life. How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. Quality of life is determined by each individual. When one person tries to define it in general terms it is biased with their view. I do not view quality of life as how long you live. It is how well you live with "well" being defined as what you value most. |
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On 7/7/2012 10:54 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says... On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed a method to wellness. Will that be the case when the government is running health care. Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life. How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. Quality of life is determined by each individual. When one person tries to define it in general terms it is biased with their view. I do not view quality of life as how long you live. It is how well you live with "well" being defined as what you value most. Harry and a few of his friends have run out of "quality". They're aiming for "quantity" now. |
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"thumper" wrote in message ...
On 7/6/2012 11:11 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ------------------------------------ Longevity is not quality of life. My mother had quality of life for 92 of her 96 years. My dad had quality of life for 62 of his 68 years. Bone Cancer killed my dad. A very bad way to go. I see a lot of excess spending on extending life for a very short time. My mom's best friend, Betty, had Congestive Heart Failure. 94 years old, and they spent $63,000 to extend her life 1 week. that is wrong. when someone is the far gone, why spend excess money trying to cure the incurable? Just make them comfortable. I agree with you regarding excessive and expensive measures when quality of life is gone (assisted suicide, 'death panels'[family]?) but the question remains as to how you would quantify effectiveness of a health care system if not by longevity. ------------------------------ My opinion would be how healthy are the people for their age. The last time I was at Disneyland I was stupefied by the amount of morbidly obese people. Morbidly obese parents with close to morbidly obese children. If you are not going to teach people to not kill themselves with fat, why worry about their longevity? If they do know about the health risks, then do the minimum for health maintenance for them on our dollar if they can not at least help themselves to better diet. |
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"North Star" wrote in message
... On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! ------------------------------ Snerk my ass. You are pretty dam stupid, and your posts show it. |
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m... On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote: On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter buddies on you. ------------------------------------------------- Nope, just stating facts. |
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"BAR" wrote in message ...
In article , lid says... On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed a method to wellness. Will that be the case when the government is running health care. Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life. How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. Quality of life is determined by each individual. When one person tries to define it in general terms it is biased with their view. I do not view quality of life as how long you live. It is how well you live with "well" being defined as what you value most. ----------------------------------- I define it a little different than you. True quality of life is being healthy and not trashing those around you. Even if Harry is healthy, his quality of life sucks. Quality of life is not really now rich you are materially. And quantity of life is not quality of life. |
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In article ,
says... "BAR" wrote in message ... In article , lid says... On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed a method to wellness. Will that be the case when the government is running health care. Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life. How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. Quality of life is determined by each individual. When one person tries to define it in general terms it is biased with their view. I do not view quality of life as how long you live. It is how well you live with "well" being defined as what you value most. ----------------------------------- I define it a little different than you. True quality of life is being healthy and not trashing those around you. Even if Harry is healthy, his quality of life sucks. Quality of life is not really now rich you are materially. And quantity of life is not quality of life. You are determining Harry's quality of life based upon your biases. Harry may believe that he has a great quality of life. He has a woman who is supporting him which enables him to write posts to USENET all day long from his basement. |
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On 7/7/12 3:14 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message ... In article , lid says... On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote: In article , lid says... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in message ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed a method to wellness. Will that be the case when the government is running health care. Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life. How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. Quality of life is determined by each individual. When one person tries to define it in general terms it is biased with their view. I do not view quality of life as how long you live. It is how well you live with "well" being defined as what you value most. ----------------------------------- I define it a little different than you. True quality of life is being healthy and not trashing those around you. Even if Harry is healthy, his quality of life sucks. Quality of life is not really now rich you are materially. And quantity of life is not quality of life. You are determining Harry's quality of life based upon your biases. Harry may believe that he has a great quality of life. He has a woman who is supporting him which enables him to write posts to USENET all day long from his basement. Poor Bertie. No education, no skills, an "at-will" job he'll lose sooner or later. |
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On Jul 7, 3:43*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" *wrote in message ... On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" *wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" *wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" *wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? *If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. *Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? *Are they smarter than us? *Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? *Long waits for less than critical care? *Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? *I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. *took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. *How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. *and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. *Is that included in your healthcare costs? *I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. *Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. *A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! *Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. *I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. *Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. *You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. * SNERK! ------------------------------ Snerk my ass. *You are pretty dam stupid, and your posts show it. Still smarting from the truth, Swill? |
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"North Star" wrote in message
... On Jul 7, 3:43 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! ------------------------------ Snerk my ass. You are pretty dam stupid, and your posts show it. Still smarting from the truth, Swill? -------------------------------------- WTF! You are digging your stupidity hole even deeper. |
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On 7/7/2012 4:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
"North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 7, 3:43 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! ------------------------------ Snerk my ass. You are pretty dam stupid, and your posts show it. Still smarting from the truth, Swill? -------------------------------------- WTF! You are digging your stupidity hole even deeper. His stupidity hole is a bottomless pit. There are no limits. |
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says... "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! ------------------------------ Snerk my ass. You are pretty dam stupid, and your posts show it. Bingo! He's just plain dumb. |
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On 7/7/2012 2:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote: On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter buddies on you. ------------------------------------------------- Nope, just stating facts. it blows me away how jealous they both are of me and my family... |
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On 7/8/12 8:05 AM, JustWait wrote:
it blows me away how jealous they both are of me and my family... Uh, who is jealous of you and your family, and *why*, pray tell, would *anyone* be jealous of you and your family. It's not as if you are a family of accomplished individuals. And you...you're an absolute zero in more ways than can be listed. Delusional...you're the very definition of it. |
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On 7/7/2012 5:55 AM, Oscar wrote:
Making the longevity stastics look good has nothing to do with Quality of life. Obfuscating metrics does not make our health care system look better. |
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"JustWait" wrote in message ...
On 7/7/2012 2:44 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote: On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter buddies on you. ------------------------------------------------- Nope, just stating facts. it blows me away how jealous they both are of me and my family... --------------------------------------- I do not think they are jealous. They have no reason to be. fine that your daughter likes racing, so did I and still do. But I would rather see put at least 1/2 the energy and passion you put in to the daughters racing, in to creating a prosperous life for the family. |
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On Jul 8, 4:46*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"JustWait" *wrote in ... On 7/7/2012 2:44 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" *wrote in message om... On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote: On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" *wrote in message .... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" *wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" *wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? *If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. *Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? *Are they smarter than us? *Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? *Long waits for less than critical care? *Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? *I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. *took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. *and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. *Is that included in your healthcare costs? *I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. *Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. *A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! *Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. *I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. *Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. *You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. * SNERK! Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter buddies on you. ------------------------------------------------- Nope, just stating facts. it blows me away how jealous they both are of me and my family... --------------------------------------- I do not think they are jealous. *They have no reason to be. *fine that your daughter likes racing, so did I and still do. *But I would rather see put at least 1/2 the energy and passion you put in to the daughters racing, in to creating a prosperous life for the family. Wow...we actually agree on something. No one is jealous of Snotty, he just irritates us with his lies and bad attitude. |
Affordable Care Act...
"North Star" wrote in message
... On Jul 8, 4:46 pm, "Califbill" wrote: "JustWait" wrote in ... On 7/7/2012 2:44 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message om... On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote: On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote: "North Star" wrote in message ... On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "thumper" wrote in ... So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always have alternatives. ----------------------------------------------------- Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will be an improvement? status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more? How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity? http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -------------------------------------------------------------- What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of school and then a couple years of internship/residency. Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b... You really do seem to be 'accident prone'. Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done. -------------------------- You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2 months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment. My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK! Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter buddies on you. ------------------------------------------------- Nope, just stating facts. it blows me away how jealous they both are of me and my family... --------------------------------------- I do not think they are jealous. They have no reason to be. fine that your daughter likes racing, so did I and still do. But I would rather see put at least 1/2 the energy and passion you put in to the daughters racing, in to creating a prosperous life for the family. Wow...we actually agree on something. No one is jealous of Snotty, he just irritates us with his lies and bad attitude. -------------------------------------- I think the same about you. A life of working for a crown corp for a pittance of a pension and not spending your life actually accumulating something decent for your retirement. I realize from your posts here, you are not very high up the IQ scale, but your could have at least tried to find a little common sense. |
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