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On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would want such an organization to be responsible for their health care? As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough call. Perhaps they should compete. |
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On 7/3/12 1:30 AM, thumper wrote:
On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote: I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would want such an organization to be responsible for their health care? As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough call. Perhaps they should compete. I've never understood this "worship" of corporations. Making sure that everyone has access to decent health care certainly is a duty for a government. It certainly isn't anything a for-profit corporation can or will do. |
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"Califbill" wrote in message m... ------------------------------------------ A lot of those tests are to cover the health care provider's butt. With the litigation sharks out there looking for anything to sue over, is much more protective of the doctor to order extra tests. ---------------------------------------- I thought so also for a long time but the statistics prove otherwise. Malpractice lawsuits certainly exist but they don't contribute to the overall health care costs as much as commonly thought. It's more because most doctors are now associated with either hospitals or health care centers who are looking to generate as much revenue as they can get away with. A doctor friend of mine has told me about the pressures brought on the staff of doctors by these organizations to maximize insurance claims, often for needless or repetitive tests. You really don't need a CAT scan for a sore throat or a MRI for a sprained ankle. |
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On 7/3/12 7:30 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"Califbill" wrote in message m... ------------------------------------------ A lot of those tests are to cover the health care provider's butt. With the litigation sharks out there looking for anything to sue over, is much more protective of the doctor to order extra tests. ---------------------------------------- I thought so also for a long time but the statistics prove otherwise. Malpractice lawsuits certainly exist but they don't contribute to the overall health care costs as much as commonly thought. It's more because most doctors are now associated with either hospitals or health care centers who are looking to generate as much revenue as they can get away with. A doctor friend of mine has told me about the pressures brought on the staff of doctors by these organizations to maximize insurance claims, often for needless or repetitive tests. You really don't need a CAT scan for a sore throat or a MRI for a sprained ankle. My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:30:38 -0700, thumper wrote:
On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote: I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would want such an organization to be responsible for their health care? As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough call. Perhaps they should compete. ===== Maybe we've been forunate but our health insurance companies have done a good job for us with only minimal quibbling. When/if the government gets in the business there will be no competiion at all, and no legal recourse. |
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On 7/3/12 9:10 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:30:38 -0700, thumper wrote: On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote: I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would want such an organization to be responsible for their health care? As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough call. Perhaps they should compete. ===== Maybe we've been forunate but our health insurance companies have done a good job for us with only minimal quibbling. That's just bull****, Wayne. Really. The for-profit health insurance companies are scalping us every single day. The only thing they care about is maximizing their profit. It's time to come up with better solutions. |
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On 7/3/2012 9:10 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:30:38 -0700, thumper wrote: On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote: I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would want such an organization to be responsible for their health care? As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough call. Perhaps they should compete. ===== Maybe we've been forunate but our health insurance companies have done a good job for us with only minimal quibbling. When/if the government gets in the business there will be no competiion at all, and no legal recourse. Once the IRS is in charge It'll be a whole new ball game. |
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On 7/3/2012 9:19 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/3/12 9:10 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:30:38 -0700, thumper wrote: On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote: I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would want such an organization to be responsible for their health care? As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough call. Perhaps they should compete. ===== Maybe we've been forunate but our health insurance companies have done a good job for us with only minimal quibbling. That's just bull****, Wayne. Really. The for-profit health insurance companies are scalping us every single day. The only thing they care about is maximizing their profit. It's time to come up with better solutions. I'm all for that. But we shouldn't leave the solutions to politicians. And damn the man in charge who would rubber stamp any crap legislation just to get his name on it. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "Califbill" wrote in message m... ------------------------------------------ A lot of those tests are to cover the health care provider's butt. With the litigation sharks out there looking for anything to sue over, is much more protective of the doctor to order extra tests. ---------------------------------------- I thought so also for a long time but the statistics prove otherwise. Malpractice lawsuits certainly exist but they don't contribute to the overall health care costs as much as commonly thought. It's more because most doctors are now associated with either hospitals or health care centers who are looking to generate as much revenue as they can get away with. A doctor friend of mine has told me about the pressures brought on the staff of doctors by these organizations to maximize insurance claims, often for needless or repetitive tests. You really don't need a CAT scan for a sore throat or a MRI for a sprained ankle. ---------------------------------------------------------- It was more the treat of a suit as opposed to the cost of actually being sued. Do more tests and the lawyers would have a harder time making a case. Therefore, more tests, and less suits. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. |
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On 7/3/2012 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are great as long as everybody else follows them... |
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On 03/07/2012 5:56 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/3/12 7:30 AM, Eisboch wrote: "Califbill" wrote in message m... ------------------------------------------ A lot of those tests are to cover the health care provider's butt. With the litigation sharks out there looking for anything to sue over, is much more protective of the doctor to order extra tests. ---------------------------------------- I thought so also for a long time but the statistics prove otherwise. Malpractice lawsuits certainly exist but they don't contribute to the overall health care costs as much as commonly thought. It's more because most doctors are now associated with either hospitals or health care centers who are looking to generate as much revenue as they can get away with. A doctor friend of mine has told me about the pressures brought on the staff of doctors by these organizations to maximize insurance claims, often for needless or repetitive tests. You really don't need a CAT scan for a sore throat or a MRI for a sprained ankle. My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. Don't be so damned quick to the Canadian model, people die waiting, literally. Because some bureaucrat decided on a "quota". Remember, part of why there is a paperwork mess is legislative. Laws so complex, people suing each other for everything.... Real answer is to re-engineer the whole system without politicians screwing things up. Need to keep the tax greedy out of the equation, not just the profit greedy. But you do want some economic sense at the table. Get some people who have lived in and used multiple systems to look at the best and the worse of each system. Unfettered by political greed you could get more done. -- Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment. |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/3/2012 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are great as long as everybody else follows them... I suppose you have some evidence of that? Oh, wait, of course not. The union waivers thing is just another of your insane rants that has no truth to it what so ever. ----------------------------- Unions were given waivers. Cite? |
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On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. |
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On 7/3/12 12:33 PM, JustWait wrote:
Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are great as long as everybody else follows them.. One of the many reasons to be a union member is that you have an organization doing some heavy lifting for you in terms of wages, hours, benefits, working conditions, et cetera. Unions protect even schlumps like you, little ****. Oh, schlump. It's a Yiddishism...means a dull-witted, slow person, a slob, a fool. Other Yiddishisms that suit you...schmegeggy...a contemptible person; putz, a penis, and, of course, schlemiel, an awkward, clumsy person, a blunderer, a born loser. Obviously, the coiners of Yiddish met some of your ancestors. |
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On 7/3/2012 1:08 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/3/2012 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are great as long as everybody else follows them... I suppose you have some evidence of that? Oh, wait, of course not. The union waivers thing is just another of your insane rants that has no truth to it what so ever. ----------------------------- Unions were given waivers. He either knows that and is lying, doesn't know because he doesn't really care beyond the argument which I guess to be the case... |
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On 7/3/12 7:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 7/3/2012 1:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/3/2012 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are great as long as everybody else follows them... I suppose you have some evidence of that? Oh, wait, of course not. The union waivers thing is just another of your insane rants that has no truth to it what so ever. ----------------------------- Unions were given waivers. He either knows that and is lying, doesn't know because he doesn't really care beyond the argument which I guess to be the case... I don't know if unions got waivers or not. I hope they did. It's just another benefit of what you can't have...a union membership. That's what it is all about, dummy... |
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... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/3/2012 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are great as long as everybody else follows them... I suppose you have some evidence of that? Oh, wait, of course not. The union waivers thing is just another of your insane rants that has no truth to it what so ever. ----------------------------- Unions were given waivers. Cite? -------------------------------------- Google union waivers unless you are also lazy physically as you are mentally. |
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m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. |
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On 7/3/2012 9:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/3/2012 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are great as long as everybody else follows them... I suppose you have some evidence of that? Oh, wait, of course not. The union waivers thing is just another of your insane rants that has no truth to it what so ever. ----------------------------- Unions were given waivers. Cite? -------------------------------------- Google union waivers unless you are also lazy physically as you are mentally. This kind of idle deflection is why so many gave up on the plum when he was called the plum... |
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On 7/3/12 9:16 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. So? |
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m... On 7/3/12 9:16 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. So? ----------------------- another non-profit group. |
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On 7/3/12 10:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 9:16 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. So? ----------------------- another non-profit group. So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of your mental processing? I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his full pension. |
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On 7/3/2012 1:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/3/2012 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are great as long as everybody else follows them... I suppose you have some evidence of that? Oh, wait, of course not. The union waivers thing is just another of your insane rants that has no truth to it what so ever. ----------------------------- Unions were given waivers. He either knows that and is lying, doesn't know because he doesn't really care beyond the argument which I guess to be the case... You stupid fool! SOME unions got waivers, but just like FOX you present **** here like ALL unions got waivers. That's lying. |
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On 7/3/2012 9:14 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/3/2012 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are great as long as everybody else follows them... I suppose you have some evidence of that? Oh, wait, of course not. The union waivers thing is just another of your insane rants that has no truth to it what so ever. ----------------------------- Unions were given waivers. Cite? -------------------------------------- Google union waivers unless you are also lazy physically as you are mentally. This kind of idle deflection is why so many gave up on the plum when he was called the plum... What did I deflect from, Mr. Insane? |
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On 7/3/2012 10:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 9:16 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. So? ----------------------- another non-profit group. I might be exaggerating a bit but I heard that 90 to 95% of the take from most major charities gets paid out in advertizing, ADMINISTRATIVE salaries, campaign contributions etc. They might collect in the name of one disaster relief and use the funds for something else. |
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On 7/4/2012 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/3/12 10:11 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 9:16 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. So? ----------------------- another non-profit group. So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of your mental processing? I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his full pension. Too bad O'Bamacare won't be able to make the same claim. Here's hoping you suck the union's teat for a long long time in a nursing home without computer privileges. |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message ...
On 7/3/12 10:11 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 9:16 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. So? ----------------------- another non-profit group. So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of your mental processing? I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his full pension. ------------------------------------------------------------------ You a bricklayer? From a right wing site ;) look at the number of unions that got critical notices from the government. http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/criticalstatusnotices.html |
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"Oscar" wrote in message
eb.com... On 7/3/2012 10:11 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 9:16 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. So? ----------------------- another non-profit group. I might be exaggerating a bit but I heard that 90 to 95% of the take from most major charities gets paid out in advertizing, ADMINISTRATIVE salaries, campaign contributions etc. They might collect in the name of one disaster relief and use the funds for something else. ------------------------------------- You are way over on the amount for major charities. Lots of small ones are like your 90-95%. There are some rating agencies on the web. I personally do not like the Red Cross for a number of reasons, but do support the Salvation Army, as it was both my mom's favorite and I see a lot of good done for the buck. |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article , says... On 7/3/2012 1:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 7/3/2012 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in the real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules are great as long as everybody else follows them... I suppose you have some evidence of that? Oh, wait, of course not. The union waivers thing is just another of your insane rants that has no truth to it what so ever. ----------------------------- Unions were given waivers. He either knows that and is lying, doesn't know because he doesn't really care beyond the argument which I guess to be the case... You stupid fool! SOME unions got waivers, but just like FOX you present **** here like ALL unions got waivers. That's lying. ------------------------------------------------------ BUT the majority of waivers were to unions. Maybe some unions do not have good health plans. |
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On 7/4/12 6:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/3/12 10:11 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 9:16 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. So? ----------------------- another non-profit group. So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of your mental processing? I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his full pension. ------------------------------------------------------------------ You a bricklayer? From a right wing site ;) look at the number of unions that got critical notices from the government. http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/criticalstatusnotices.html No, Bilious, I am not a bricklayer or a member of that union. However, in this Bush-Administration economic times, a lot of union pension funds have had to make adjustments in contributions and retirement ages. My local, fortunately, hasn't had high unemployment. |
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On 7/4/2012 6:27 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/4/12 6:11 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/3/12 10:11 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 9:16 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. So? ----------------------- another non-profit group. So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of your mental processing? I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his full pension. ------------------------------------------------------------------ You a bricklayer? From a right wing site ;) look at the number of unions that got critical notices from the government. http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/criticalstatusnotices.html No, Bilious, I am not a bricklayer or a member of that union. However, in this Bush-Administration economic times, a lot of union pension funds have had to make adjustments in contributions and retirement ages. My local, fortunately, hasn't had high unemployment. Basketweaving in Charleston is having a tough time passing down the art to the younger generation. That has to hurt your weavers union in MD. |
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says... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/3/12 10:11 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 9:16 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. So? ----------------------- another non-profit group. So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of your mental processing? I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his full pension. ------------------------------------------------------------------ You a bricklayer? From a right wing site ;) look at the number of unions that got critical notices from the government. http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/criticalstatusnotices.html I clicked on the first notice for the Bricklayers and they are in a "Critical Status" which means the pension fund is at risk. |
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On 7/5/2012 7:42 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 7/3/12 10:11 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 9:16 PM, Califbill wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 7/3/12 12:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "X ` Man" wrote in message ... My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror stories she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments or medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all the paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in reaching responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the refusal of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so six month to a year waiting periods can be cut down. We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of services challenge. ---------------------- I agree. -------------------------------------------------- I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The for-profit insurance that he raves about. Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are not-for-profit organizations. ---------------------------------------- So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds collected. So? ----------------------- another non-profit group. So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of your mental processing? I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his full pension. ------------------------------------------------------------------ You a bricklayer? From a right wing site ;) look at the number of unions that got critical notices from the government. http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/criticalstatusnotices.html I clicked on the first notice for the Bricklayers and they are in a "Critical Status" which means the pension fund is at risk. She's been getting crappy annual increases. Betcha the union is teetering. |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:19:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: On 7/3/12 9:10 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:30:38 -0700, thumper wrote: On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote: I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would want such an organization to be responsible for their health care? As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough call. Perhaps they should compete. ===== Maybe we've been forunate but our health insurance companies have done a good job for us with only minimal quibbling. That's just bull****, Wayne. Really. The for-profit health insurance companies are scalping us every single day. The only thing they care about is maximizing their profit. It's time to come up with better solutions. === Like I said, maybe we've been fortunate. Personally I'd rather have a choice (and an entity that could be sued) rather than some mindless government bureacracy. |
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