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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:49:33 -0400, X ` Man
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On 6/18/12 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:30:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On the other hand, I know plenty of liberal arts grads who are pulling
down six figure incomes at jobs with pretty decent benefits, and who
weren't trained by the navy.

Doing what?



Do you even know what "the liberal arts" are?

yes


I have friends who are professors at several local universities who are
earning six figure salaries, and they are all liberal arts grads.

My daughter's father in law would be surprised at that.e retired as a
history professor at a state university and he never made that much
money. He says his wife made more money some years as an ER nurse but
he admits she worked a lot harder than him.

He insisted that all his kids get degrees in science or engineering.

Most of my advertising, PR and marketing colleagues earn substantial six
figure salaries and bonuses.

That sounds right if they can sell but if you can sell you don't need
a degree.

There are many scientists at the NIH and other health and science
related agencies that earn in the six figures.

Those are science degrees aren't they? BYW are they government
employees? What grade? A 6 figure GS salary is rare.

We know at least a dozen psychotherapists who earn more than $100,000 a
year.

MDs OK

The highest salaried guy I know as a close friend, a recent retiree,
earned more than $500,000 a year at his job. He's a lit and history grad
of the University of Notre Dame.

Again doing what?


I know dozens and dozens of liberal arts grads earning well over
$100,000 a year. As far as I know, none were trained by the Navy.

I didn't say the navy was the only place you could get knowledge, just
that it was a good place to get it in a hurry.

18 weeks of a 8 hour a day school is equal to about 48 credit hours of
college in classroom time.

When you toss out the fluff courses kids pad out their schedule with
that is plenty of time.

I had closer to 10,000 hours of education at IBM and I have hundreds
of hours for my inspector license. I am not afraid of learning. I like
it. I just want to go at a faster pace.


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Lots of those Liberal Arts degrees are professors at college. Making way
more than they should earn. My cousin is a dean of the department at one of
the California colleges. He gets POed at the amount of pay a lot of the
profs are pulling down. They do very little actual education, and work
about 20 hours a week in the classroom. Probably 8 hours at the most out of
the classroom. Same thing could be taught by a TA reading the same book to
the class. I retired out of an industry in 2001 where the pay scale was
mostly $100+ for all the engineers. Even a few without college degrees. A
heck of a lot more than those with liberal arts degrees. We had one
administrative assistant who we finally gave a career redirection. She was
very proud of her English degree and figured she did not have to file papers
for the department as she had a degree. But she was in an Admin slot as she
was to be laid off in another slot. And most of what you learned in college
was not ever needed. They figured engineers at about 8% were the highest
users, while most others were in the 5% bracket. As to learning in the
Navy. We always wanted the Navy techs as they were the best. They actually
knew how electronics worked.

On 6/20/12 5:58 PM, Califbill wrote:

Lots of those Liberal Arts degrees are professors at college. Making
way more than they should earn.


As if you were somehow qualified to make such a judgment.

"X ` Man" wrote in message
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On 6/20/12 5:58 PM, Califbill wrote:

Lots of those Liberal Arts degrees are professors at college. Making
way more than they should earn.


As if you were somehow qualified to make such a judgment.


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Probably more qualified than you. I took a lot of classes while getting my
degree, still take classes. Being employed in an industry where high pay
and responsibility went hand in hand, I can see very little responsibility
by a lot of professors, including my stepfather when he was still alive and
teaching. a lot of those profs did not give a crap if the students got the
information or not. Did not matter if it was the inability of the student
or the professor as to why the message was not received. With both tenure
and union, is damn near inpossible to fire a teacher these days.

On 6/21/2012 12:21 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:16:11 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"X ` Man" wrote in message
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On 6/20/12 5:58 PM, Califbill wrote:

Lots of those Liberal Arts degrees are professors at college. Making
way more than they should earn.


As if you were somehow qualified to make such a judgment.


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Probably more qualified than you. I took a lot of classes while getting my
degree, still take classes. Being employed in an industry where high pay
and responsibility went hand in hand, I can see very little responsibility
by a lot of professors, including my stepfather when he was still alive and
teaching. a lot of those profs did not give a crap if the students got the
information or not. Did not matter if it was the inability of the student
or the professor as to why the message was not received. With both tenure
and union, is damn near inpossible to fire a teacher these days.

I think the lesson about liberal arts degrees is in the immigration
statistics. Asians have overtaken Hispanics as the highest number
immigrants and they are predominantly engineers, coming here on H1B
visas to fill jobs the American kids who took underwater basket
weaving in college can't.

LOL, funny but sad too...

On 6/21/12 12:30 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/21/2012 12:21 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:16:11 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"X ` Man" wrote in message
...

On 6/20/12 5:58 PM, Califbill wrote:

Lots of those Liberal Arts degrees are professors at college. Making
way more than they should earn.


As if you were somehow qualified to make such a judgment.


-------------------------------
Probably more qualified than you. I took a lot of classes while
getting my
degree, still take classes. Being employed in an industry where high
pay
and responsibility went hand in hand, I can see very little
responsibility
by a lot of professors, including my stepfather when he was still
alive and
teaching. a lot of those profs did not give a crap if the students
got the
information or not. Did not matter if it was the inability of the
student
or the professor as to why the message was not received. With both
tenure
and union, is damn near inpossible to fire a teacher these days.

I think the lesson about liberal arts degrees is in the immigration
statistics. Asians have overtaken Hispanics as the highest number
immigrants and they are predominantly engineers, coming here on H1B
visas to fill jobs the American kids who took underwater basket
weaving in college can't.

LOL, funny but sad too...


It's always funny when an uneducated miserable little failure like you
comments on the "edu-ma-cation" system.

On 6/21/2012 6:03 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/21/12 12:30 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/21/2012 12:21 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:16:11 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"X ` Man" wrote in message
...

On 6/20/12 5:58 PM, Califbill wrote:

Lots of those Liberal Arts degrees are professors at college. Making
way more than they should earn.


As if you were somehow qualified to make such a judgment.


-------------------------------
Probably more qualified than you. I took a lot of classes while
getting my
degree, still take classes. Being employed in an industry where high
pay
and responsibility went hand in hand, I can see very little
responsibility
by a lot of professors, including my stepfather when he was still
alive and
teaching. a lot of those profs did not give a crap if the students
got the
information or not. Did not matter if it was the inability of the
student
or the professor as to why the message was not received. With both
tenure
and union, is damn near inpossible to fire a teacher these days.

I think the lesson about liberal arts degrees is in the immigration
statistics. Asians have overtaken Hispanics as the highest number
immigrants and they are predominantly engineers, coming here on H1B
visas to fill jobs the American kids who took underwater basket
weaving in college can't.

LOL, funny but sad too...


It's always funny when an uneducated miserable little failure like you
comments on the "edu-ma-cation" system.


Not the system m'boy, we're talking about liberal artsmanship. (another
way of saying "Gee, I don't know what to do with my life")

On 6/21/2012 12:21 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:16:11 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"X ` Man" wrote in message
...

On 6/20/12 5:58 PM, Califbill wrote:

Lots of those Liberal Arts degrees are professors at college. Making
way more than they should earn.


As if you were somehow qualified to make such a judgment.


-------------------------------
Probably more qualified than you. I took a lot of classes while getting my
degree, still take classes. Being employed in an industry where high pay
and responsibility went hand in hand, I can see very little responsibility
by a lot of professors, including my stepfather when he was still alive and
teaching. a lot of those profs did not give a crap if the students got the
information or not. Did not matter if it was the inability of the student
or the professor as to why the message was not received. With both tenure
and union, is damn near inpossible to fire a teacher these days.

I think the lesson about liberal arts degrees is in the immigration
statistics. Asians have overtaken Hispanics as the highest number
immigrants and they are predominantly engineers, coming here on H1B
visas to fill jobs the American kids who took underwater basket
weaving in college can't.

Besides basketweaving, what is a liberal arts grad qualified to do these
days. I don't suppose there were many of them working at NASA except
maybe as clerical workers.