21 million...
 

On Jun 19, 4:06*pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 21066b10-3019-46ff-a359-88ab7dc74241
@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing.. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

See above. I've offered several times in the last couple of months to
wager you and Harry that I'm not "loogy". But, as usual, you two don't
have the balls.

.... and you don't have the bucks, kevin.

21 million...
 

On Jun 19, 4:07*pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...







On 6/19/12 2:48 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing.. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. *Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. *You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. *While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. *Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. *The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. *They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

Of course, he says there is no wife and daughter. Loogy claimed to have
both, but then he "disappeared," with claims of some mysterious
illness/injury afflicting his wife. I never believed any of that.

Care to bet that I'm not loogy? I didn't think so, pussy.

Why would anyone in their right mind "care to bet" that you're not
loogy, kevin?

21 million...
 

On 6/19/12 7:57 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:06 pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 21066b10-3019-46ff-a359-88ab7dc74241
@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

See above. I've offered several times in the last couple of months to
wager you and Harry that I'm not "loogy". But, as usual, you two don't
have the balls.

... and you don't have the bucks, kevin.


And he doesn't realize it doesn't matter who he pretends to be or not to
be.

21 million...
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this
with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

The Journal newspapers in the DC area used to print the salaries of each
county employee and DC government employee over a certain amount each
year. It was always fun to to lookup what your friends in public service
made and what my uncle made working for Metro.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.

Hard worker, lousy negotiator.

It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

21 million...
 

In article m,
says...

On 6/19/2012 2:41 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:16 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears
closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss
this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is
officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I
polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities...
without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed
to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can,
and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to
discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their
direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with
reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to
cover
for yet another lie...

JustSnot is speaking from his years of executive experience as a
warehouse worker for a supermarket chain.

What do you have against honest work?


What has JustSnot to do with honest work?


What you said about warehouse work was a lie then? Figures. At one end
of the spectrum you have George W. and at the other end you have Harry K.

Finding someone who doesn't believe Harry is easy.

21 million...
 

On 6/19/12 7:59 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:07 pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...







On 6/19/12 2:48 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

Of course, he says there is no wife and daughter. Loogy claimed to have
both, but then he "disappeared," with claims of some mysterious
illness/injury afflicting his wife. I never believed any of that.

Care to bet that I'm not loogy? I didn't think so, pussy.

Why would anyone in their right mind "care to bet" that you're not
loogy, kevin?



His weeks of unemployment are running out so he's looking for someone to
bet so he can use that fake ID he made on his old printer.

21 million...
 

On 6/19/2012 8:26 PM, BAR wrote:
In aweb.com,
says...

On 6/19/2012 2:41 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articleJOadnU4NQcVoMn3SnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:16 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears
closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss
this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is
officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I
polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities...
without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed
to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can,
and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to
discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their
direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with
reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to
cover
for yet another lie...

JustSnot is speaking from his years of executive experience as a
warehouse worker for a supermarket chain.

What do you have against honest work?


What has JustSnot to do with honest work?


What you said about warehouse work was a lie then? Figures. At one end
of the spectrum you have George W. and at the other end you have Harry K.

Finding someone who doesn't believe Harry is easy.

You have to understand, if harry says "you" don't work, he doesn't work,
if he says "you' are lying, he is lying, if he says "you" don't have a
boat, he doesn't have a boat. The equation is pretty easy...

21 million...
 

In article b38dc2db-f902-4629-a39a-44a779735237
@k5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 19, 4:06*pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 21066b10-3019-46ff-a359-88ab7dc74241
@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

See above. I've offered several times in the last couple of months to
wager you and Harry that I'm not "loogy". But, as usual, you two don't
have the balls.

... and you don't have the bucks, kevin.

Well, let's just see.... I've got $1000 that says I'm not anybody named
Kevin or loogy. I have the same for Harry. Put up, or shut up, coward.

21 million...
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 7:57 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:06 pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 21066b10-3019-46ff-a359-88ab7dc74241
@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

See above. I've offered several times in the last couple of months to
wager you and Harry that I'm not "loogy". But, as usual, you two don't
have the balls.

... and you don't have the bucks, kevin.


And he doesn't realize it doesn't matter who he pretends to be or not to
be.

Harry, I'll offer you the same exact bet I've just offered your lover,
Don. I've got $1000 that says I'm not anyone named Kevin or loogy. Put
up or forever be known as a coward.

21 million...
 

In article 6c8076a5-468f-404c-a92a-134f808c1d24
@f14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 19, 4:07*pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...







On 6/19/12 2:48 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. *Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. *You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. *While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. *Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. *The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. *They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

Of course, he says there is no wife and daughter. Loogy claimed to have
both, but then he "disappeared," with claims of some mysterious
illness/injury afflicting his wife. I never believed any of that.

Care to bet that I'm not loogy? I didn't think so, pussy.

Why would anyone in their right mind "care to bet" that you're not
loogy, kevin?

Want to bet that I'm not kevin then? I thought not, pussy.