21 million...
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 7:59 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:07 pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...







On 6/19/12 2:48 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

Of course, he says there is no wife and daughter. Loogy claimed to have
both, but then he "disappeared," with claims of some mysterious
illness/injury afflicting his wife. I never believed any of that.

Care to bet that I'm not loogy? I didn't think so, pussy.

Why would anyone in their right mind "care to bet" that you're not
loogy, kevin?



His weeks of unemployment are running out so he's looking for someone to
bet so he can use that fake ID he made on his old printer.

Coward.

21 million...
 

In article , says...

On 6/19/2012 8:26 PM, BAR wrote:
In aweb.com,
says...

On 6/19/2012 2:41 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articleJOadnU4NQcVoMn3SnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:16 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears
closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss
this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is
officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I
polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities...
without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed
to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can,
and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to
discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their
direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with
reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to
cover
for yet another lie...

JustSnot is speaking from his years of executive experience as a
warehouse worker for a supermarket chain.

What do you have against honest work?


What has JustSnot to do with honest work?


What you said about warehouse work was a lie then? Figures. At one end
of the spectrum you have George W. and at the other end you have Harry K.

Finding someone who doesn't believe Harry is easy.

You have to understand, if harry says "you" don't work, he doesn't work,
if he says "you' are lying, he is lying, if he says "you" don't have a
boat, he doesn't have a boat. The equation is pretty easy...

BINGO!

21 million...
 

On 6/20/12 8:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 7:57 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:06 pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 21066b10-3019-46ff-a359-88ab7dc74241
@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

See above. I've offered several times in the last couple of months to
wager you and Harry that I'm not "loogy". But, as usual, you two don't
have the balls.

... and you don't have the bucks, kevin.


And he doesn't realize it doesn't matter who he pretends to be or not to
be.

Harry, I'll offer you the same exact bet I've just offered your lover,
Don. I've got $1000 that says I'm not anyone named Kevin or loogy. Put
up or forever be known as a coward.



I don't give a **** who you are, Loogy. It's not worth a dime to me to
see whatever bull**** "ID" you'd offer up as proof, either. You're just
another of the low IQ assholes here, suffer from perseveration, and
apparently are almost totally incapable of abstract thought. You're the
yang to iSnotty's ying.

21 million...
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/20/12 8:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 7:57 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:06 pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 21066b10-3019-46ff-a359-88ab7dc74241
@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

See above. I've offered several times in the last couple of months to
wager you and Harry that I'm not "loogy". But, as usual, you two don't
have the balls.

... and you don't have the bucks, kevin.


And he doesn't realize it doesn't matter who he pretends to be or not to
be.

Harry, I'll offer you the same exact bet I've just offered your lover,
Don. I've got $1000 that says I'm not anyone named Kevin or loogy. Put
up or forever be known as a coward.



I don't give a **** who you are, Loogy. It's not worth a dime to me to
see whatever bull**** "ID" you'd offer up as proof, either. You're just
another of the low IQ assholes here, suffer from perseveration, and
apparently are almost totally incapable of abstract thought. You're the
yang to iSnotty's ying.

Right..... I KNEW you had no balls. IF you don't care who I am, why do
you continue to call me someone I'm not? Stupidity? Ignorance?

21 million...
 

On 6/20/12 8:53 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/20/12 8:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 7:57 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:06 pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 21066b10-3019-46ff-a359-88ab7dc74241
@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

See above. I've offered several times in the last couple of months to
wager you and Harry that I'm not "loogy". But, as usual, you two don't
have the balls.

... and you don't have the bucks, kevin.


And he doesn't realize it doesn't matter who he pretends to be or not to
be.

Harry, I'll offer you the same exact bet I've just offered your lover,
Don. I've got $1000 that says I'm not anyone named Kevin or loogy. Put
up or forever be known as a coward.



I don't give a **** who you are, Loogy. It's not worth a dime to me to
see whatever bull**** "ID" you'd offer up as proof, either. You're just
another of the low IQ assholes here, suffer from perseveration, and
apparently are almost totally incapable of abstract thought. You're the
yang to iSnotty's ying.

Right..... I KNEW you had no balls. IF you don't care who I am, why do
you continue to call me someone I'm not? Stupidity? Ignorance?


D'oh.

21 million...
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/20/12 8:53 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/20/12 8:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 7:57 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:06 pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 21066b10-3019-46ff-a359-88ab7dc74241
@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com, says...







On Jun 19, 3:42 pm, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 1:40 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:16:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...

Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss
this
with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

If you live in a place where everyone works for the government or is
in a union, their salary is public knowledge.

When we did have those salary conversations at IBM it never turned out
well. The only one who was surprised about who made the most and least
was the person who made the least and he was ****ed.
It did make it clear that there was a merit component.
They mitigated that a little by staggering the pay raise schedules so
people could rationalize that they still had a raise coming.

At centex the salaries were fairly flat in a given step and length of
service but the bonus could really be a 5 figure number. That was
based purely on performance. That was the one people didn't talk about
much but if you looked at the performance chart on the wall it was
easy to guess.

In 2005 when they were really banging out houses, my wife's bonus
bought a new car, after taxes.

At the two large ad agencies I worked for, everyone knew everyone else's
salary in account services. For those of us who brought in new business
and serviced accounts, it was easy. We got a base salary and a healthy
percentage of the business we handled. At one AAAA agency in DC where I
worked for a number of years, I ended up as the account exec *and*
copywriter on three accounts, which made those accounts very profitable.
This was in the early to mid 1970's. My base salary was, if memory
serves, about $45,000 and the agency's gross commissions on the ad and
PR business I managed amounted to about a million dollars. Those
accounts would have require several copywriters, but the agency didn't
have to pay for them. That's when I first started earning in the six
figures, and on someone else's payroll. I wasn't yet 30, and all I had
were liberal arts degrees. In English.

"Self praise sucks" Harry Krause 2012.

When you grow up and get a job, Loogy, maybe your wife and daughter will
take you back.

Doubt it!

See above. I've offered several times in the last couple of months to
wager you and Harry that I'm not "loogy". But, as usual, you two don't
have the balls.

... and you don't have the bucks, kevin.


And he doesn't realize it doesn't matter who he pretends to be or not to
be.

Harry, I'll offer you the same exact bet I've just offered your lover,
Don. I've got $1000 that says I'm not anyone named Kevin or loogy. Put
up or forever be known as a coward.



I don't give a **** who you are, Loogy. It's not worth a dime to me to
see whatever bull**** "ID" you'd offer up as proof, either. You're just
another of the low IQ assholes here, suffer from perseveration, and
apparently are almost totally incapable of abstract thought. You're the
yang to iSnotty's ying.

Right..... I KNEW you had no balls. IF you don't care who I am, why do
you continue to call me someone I'm not? Stupidity? Ignorance?


D'oh.

Okay, stupidity it is!

21 million...
 

wrote in message ...

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:49:33 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 6/18/12 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:30:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On the other hand, I know plenty of liberal arts grads who are pulling
down six figure incomes at jobs with pretty decent benefits, and who
weren't trained by the navy.

Doing what?



Do you even know what "the liberal arts" are?

yes


I have friends who are professors at several local universities who are
earning six figure salaries, and they are all liberal arts grads.

My daughter's father in law would be surprised at that.e retired as a
history professor at a state university and he never made that much
money. He says his wife made more money some years as an ER nurse but
he admits she worked a lot harder than him.

He insisted that all his kids get degrees in science or engineering.

Most of my advertising, PR and marketing colleagues earn substantial six
figure salaries and bonuses.

That sounds right if they can sell but if you can sell you don't need
a degree.

There are many scientists at the NIH and other health and science
related agencies that earn in the six figures.

Those are science degrees aren't they? BYW are they government
employees? What grade? A 6 figure GS salary is rare.

We know at least a dozen psychotherapists who earn more than $100,000 a
year.

MDs OK

The highest salaried guy I know as a close friend, a recent retiree,
earned more than $500,000 a year at his job. He's a lit and history grad
of the University of Notre Dame.

Again doing what?


I know dozens and dozens of liberal arts grads earning well over
$100,000 a year. As far as I know, none were trained by the Navy.

I didn't say the navy was the only place you could get knowledge, just
that it was a good place to get it in a hurry.

18 weeks of a 8 hour a day school is equal to about 48 credit hours of
college in classroom time.

When you toss out the fluff courses kids pad out their schedule with
that is plenty of time.

I had closer to 10,000 hours of education at IBM and I have hundreds
of hours for my inspector license. I am not afraid of learning. I like
it. I just want to go at a faster pace.


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Lots of those Liberal Arts degrees are professors at college. Making way
more than they should earn. My cousin is a dean of the department at one of
the California colleges. He gets POed at the amount of pay a lot of the
profs are pulling down. They do very little actual education, and work
about 20 hours a week in the classroom. Probably 8 hours at the most out of
the classroom. Same thing could be taught by a TA reading the same book to
the class. I retired out of an industry in 2001 where the pay scale was
mostly $100+ for all the engineers. Even a few without college degrees. A
heck of a lot more than those with liberal arts degrees. We had one
administrative assistant who we finally gave a career redirection. She was
very proud of her English degree and figured she did not have to file papers
for the department as she had a degree. But she was in an Admin slot as she
was to be laid off in another slot. And most of what you learned in college
was not ever needed. They figured engineers at about 8% were the highest
users, while most others were in the 5% bracket. As to learning in the
Navy. We always wanted the Navy techs as they were the best. They actually
knew how electronics worked.

21 million...
 

On 6/20/12 5:58 PM, Califbill wrote:

Lots of those Liberal Arts degrees are professors at college. Making
way more than they should earn.


As if you were somehow qualified to make such a judgment.

21 million...
 

"X ` Man" wrote in message
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On 6/20/12 5:58 PM, Califbill wrote:

Lots of those Liberal Arts degrees are professors at college. Making
way more than they should earn.


As if you were somehow qualified to make such a judgment.


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Probably more qualified than you. I took a lot of classes while getting my
degree, still take classes. Being employed in an industry where high pay
and responsibility went hand in hand, I can see very little responsibility
by a lot of professors, including my stepfather when he was still alive and
teaching. a lot of those profs did not give a crap if the students got the
information or not. Did not matter if it was the inability of the student
or the professor as to why the message was not received. With both tenure
and union, is damn near inpossible to fire a teacher these days.

21 million...
 

On 6/21/2012 12:21 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:16:11 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"X ` Man" wrote in message
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On 6/20/12 5:58 PM, Califbill wrote:

Lots of those Liberal Arts degrees are professors at college. Making
way more than they should earn.


As if you were somehow qualified to make such a judgment.


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Probably more qualified than you. I took a lot of classes while getting my
degree, still take classes. Being employed in an industry where high pay
and responsibility went hand in hand, I can see very little responsibility
by a lot of professors, including my stepfather when he was still alive and
teaching. a lot of those profs did not give a crap if the students got the
information or not. Did not matter if it was the inability of the student
or the professor as to why the message was not received. With both tenure
and union, is damn near inpossible to fire a teacher these days.

I think the lesson about liberal arts degrees is in the immigration
statistics. Asians have overtaken Hispanics as the highest number
immigrants and they are predominantly engineers, coming here on H1B
visas to fill jobs the American kids who took underwater basket
weaving in college can't.

LOL, funny but sad too...