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On 6/18/2012 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/18/12 10:00 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:08:33 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

The people who make obscene amounts of money dropped out of college.



Those who shaped Western Civilization and thought were not, for the most
part, wealthy. Many of them, in fact, were paupers, but they gave us a
lot more than stories of their wealth

They did it without college too.

The idea that college is necessary "to learn how to think" is
ridiculous.
I imagine I have spent more time in class than most of the people
here, it just wasn't at a university.

I learned real skills, not some bull**** philosophy from a professor
that went to school at 5 and never left. These people have never
actually worked in the real world. Why would we expect any real world
knowledge from them.



You might not be aware of this, but you are presenting almost verbatim
the sort of response those who didn't go to college offer. It doesn't wash.


Sure it does. The fact that you didn't pick up any useful and meaningful
skills along your life's journey is no one's fault but yours.

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On 6/18/2012 10:35 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/18/12 10:09 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/18/2012 9:55 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/18/2012 9:49 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:14:07 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 6/17/12 10:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:11:03 -0400, X ` Man

Yeah, I think following a course of study with professors, academic
libraries, peers, writing of intellectual papers helps one think
cogently, as it were.

I will admit, though, that you seem to have your disdain for
obtaining
knowledge in a rigorous disciplined fashioned down pat. That's
fairly
typical for those who never went to college or completed a degree.





The issue is that actually getting knowledge is slow to come by in
college. I got 2 semesters of electronic engineering in 4 weeks in a
Navy school. That was just part of 18 weeks of training that came at
us fast. You didn't have to learn it, they have ships they want to
have painted.

Yeah, I'm *sure* you got the equivalent of two semesters of
engineering
training in four weeks. Right. I believe that.



Why is it hard to believe. It was an 8 hour day, 5 days a week with no
bull****.



There is no way he could understand what disciplined learning is all
about.

You guys talking about harry? LOL, he went to bumb**** u to stay out of
the military... The guy hasn't done anything productive since...

I know you have serious problems dealing with reality, but...I wasn't
drafted, and neither were most males in my age group. You're really a
stupid little ****.


Uh oh. Harry's on the hot seat.

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In article ,
says...

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:14:07 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 6/17/12 10:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:11:03 -0400, X ` Man

Yeah, I think following a course of study with professors, academic
libraries, peers, writing of intellectual papers helps one think
cogently, as it were.

I will admit, though, that you seem to have your disdain for obtaining
knowledge in a rigorous disciplined fashioned down pat. That's fairly
typical for those who never went to college or completed a degree.





The issue is that actually getting knowledge is slow to come by in
college. I got 2 semesters of electronic engineering in 4 weeks in a
Navy school. That was just part of 18 weeks of training that came at
us fast. You didn't have to learn it, they have ships they want to
have painted.

Yeah, I'm *sure* you got the equivalent of two semesters of engineering
training in four weeks. Right. I believe that.



Why is it hard to believe. It was an 8 hour day, 5 days a week with no
bull****.

Because Harry doesn't understand that there are other ways to gain
significant knowledge other than go to college.

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In article , says...

On 6/18/2012 8:50 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/18/2012 8:08 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/18/12 8:03 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:12:36 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:06:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Ahh, but it sort of depends on the job being sought, eh? An "art
major"
might be just the degree sought by employers at ad agencies, museums,
magazines, music companies, et cetera.

Here's a good list. Note that of the top paid careers, the words
Engineering or Science is in every one of the job titles. Notice the
abundance of the word "arts" in the lowest paid group!

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2073703_2073653_2073690,00.html



===

Lists like that are interesting but somewhat meaningless. The really
big bucks are being made by doctors, lawyers, bankers, investment
managers, business owners/executives, real estate developers, etc.

The people who make obscene amounts of money dropped out of college.



Those who shaped Western Civilization and thought were not, for the most
part, wealthy. Many of them, in fact, were paupers, but they gave us a
lot more than stories of their wealth. It's sad but telling that so many
of you righties only value the ability to earn large sums of money. Any
decent classroom teacher/nurse/social worker/fireman is more valuable to
society than *any* of you.


I notice you left out jingle writers. Good on you. ;-)

You do, however subscribe to the notion that "He who dies with the most
toys wins". Want to brag on that boat of yours? Or have you learned your
lesson? :-)

It's funny how they always talk about teachers, police, firefighters and
the children "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN"!!! When in reality, most towns
around here took all the porkulus money and spent it on unnecessary
projects that outerwise wouldn't have been funded... and didn't need to be.

Gee around these parts, new fire stations were built, new equipment
bought, sidewalks put in, and on and on.

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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:14:07 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

The issue is that actually getting knowledge is slow to come by in
college. I got 2 semesters of electronic engineering in 4 weeks in a
Navy school. That was just part of 18 weeks of training that came at
us fast. You didn't have to learn it, they have ships they want to
have painted.

Yeah, I'm *sure* you got the equivalent of two semesters of engineering
training in four weeks. Right. I believe that.

===

The navy electronics courses are absolutley first rate and easily
comparable to the Circuits 101 and Circuits 102 courses that EEs take
in terms of practical, hands-on knowledge. In addition to circuit
theory, EEs also need advanced mathematics, physics and design which
is necessary for theoretical analysis and modeling. The navy does not
offer that because it is not needed to do practical work in the field.

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On 6/18/12 12:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:14:07 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

The issue is that actually getting knowledge is slow to come by in
college. I got 2 semesters of electronic engineering in 4 weeks in a
Navy school. That was just part of 18 weeks of training that came at
us fast. You didn't have to learn it, they have ships they want to
have painted.

Yeah, I'm *sure* you got the equivalent of two semesters of engineering
training in four weeks. Right. I believe that.

===

The navy electronics courses are absolutley first rate and easily
comparable to the Circuits 101 and Circuits 102 courses that EEs take
in terms of practical, hands-on knowledge. In addition to circuit
theory, EEs also need advanced mathematics, physics and design which
is necessary for theoretical analysis and modeling. The navy does not
offer that because it is not needed to do practical work in the field.



Nowhere did I state or claim the navy courses weren't first rate. I
stated that four weeks of training was not the equivalent of two
semesters in engineering school. Try reading for comprehension.

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On 6/18/12 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:22:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 6/18/12 10:00 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:08:33 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

The people who make obscene amounts of money dropped out of college.



Those who shaped Western Civilization and thought were not, for the most
part, wealthy. Many of them, in fact, were paupers, but they gave us a
lot more than stories of their wealth

They did it without college too.

The idea that college is necessary "to learn how to think" is
ridiculous.
I imagine I have spent more time in class than most of the people
here, it just wasn't at a university.

I learned real skills, not some bull**** philosophy from a professor
that went to school at 5 and never left. These people have never
actually worked in the real world. Why would we expect any real world
knowledge from them.



You might not be aware of this, but you are presenting almost verbatim
the sort of response those who didn't go to college offer. It doesn't wash.

People who did go and are now trying to pay off a $100,000 student
loan in a $15 an hour job probably say the same thing.


On the other hand, I know plenty of liberal arts grads who are pulling
down six figure incomes at jobs with pretty decent benefits, and who
weren't trained by the navy.

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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:28:48 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Try reading for comprehension.

===

Likewise.

Apparently the Socratic method did not teach you to recognize when
someone is partially agreeing with you.

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On 6/18/12 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:30:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On the other hand, I know plenty of liberal arts grads who are pulling
down six figure incomes at jobs with pretty decent benefits, and who
weren't trained by the navy.

Doing what?



Do you even know what "the liberal arts" are?

In modern colleges and universities, liberal arts include literature,
languages, philosophy, history, mathematics, the physical and biological
sciences, and the social sciences.

I'm a liberal arts grad. I started earning an annual income in the six
figures in the 1970's, and I still am earning at that level from work I
do, even though I have cut back some.

I have friends who are professors at several local universities who are
earning six figure salaries, and they are all liberal arts grads.

Most of my advertising, PR and marketing colleagues earn substantial six
figure salaries and bonuses.

There are many scientists at the NIH and other health and science
related agencies that earn in the six figures.

We know at least a dozen psychotherapists who earn more than $100,000 a
year.

The highest salaried guy I know as a close friend, a recent retiree,
earned more than $500,000 a year at his job. He's a lit and history grad
of the University of Notre Dame.

I know dozens and dozens of liberal arts grads earning well over
$100,000 a year. As far as I know, none were trained by the Navy.

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On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:49:33 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/18/12 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:30:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On the other hand, I know plenty of liberal arts grads who are pulling
down six figure incomes at jobs with pretty decent benefits, and who
weren't trained by the navy.

Doing what?



I have friends who are professors at several local universities who are
earning six figure salaries, and they are all liberal arts grads.

Most of my advertising, PR and marketing colleagues earn substantial six
figure salaries and bonuses.

We know at least a dozen psychotherapists who earn more than $100,000 a
year.

The highest salaried guy I know as a close friend, a recent retiree,
earned more than $500,000 a year at his job. He's a lit and history grad
of the University of Notre Dame.

I know dozens and dozens of liberal arts grads earning well over
$100,000 a year. As far as I know, none were trained by the Navy.

Funny... I have many friends, and I don't know what any of them earn. Well, except one, and he's been a friend since childhood.

Talking about such things just isn't polite, and not done in polite company.

Somthing smells about your claim to know what 'dozens and dozens' of people earn.