Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:54:21 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Sanford PD never wanted to press charges. They barely looked for
forensic evidence. There is a general to do list at a homicide scene.
Barely anything normally done was done this time.

False. Sanford PD wanted to arrest, prosecutor told them to release.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article 1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

1.
to pursue or approach prey, quarry, etc., stealthily.
2.
to walk with measured, stiff, or haughty strides: He was so angry he
stalked away without saying goodbye.
3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article 1316359.1656.1334881604426.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbus19, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:54:21 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Sanford PD never wanted to press charges. They barely looked for
forensic evidence. There is a general to do list at a homicide scene.
Barely anything normally done was done this time.

False. Sanford PD wanted to arrest, prosecutor told them to release.

Okay, then where's the blood splatter evidence and photos? Trajectory
evidence? Toxicology, drug and alcohol testing on Zimmerman? Psychology
testing done? It goes on and on.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 8:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

1.
to pursue or approach prey, quarry, etc., stealthily.
2.
to walk with measured, stiff, or haughty strides: He was so angry he
stalked away without saying goodbye.
3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?


Betcha Harry could answer that one. He once professed to be a union
strong arm when he was a young brute of a man.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 8:49 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1316359.1656.1334881604426.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbus19, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:54:21 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Sanford PD never wanted to press charges. They barely looked for
forensic evidence. There is a general to do list at a homicide scene.
Barely anything normally done was done this time.

False. Sanford PD wanted to arrest, prosecutor told them to release.

Okay, then where's the blood splatter evidence and photos? Trajectory
evidence? Toxicology, drug and alcohol testing on Zimmerman? Psychology
testing done? It goes on and on.

Too much CSI and not enough Oprah in your viewing schedule.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:49:48 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1316359.1656.1334881604426.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbus19, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:54:21 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Sanford PD never wanted to press charges. They barely looked for
forensic evidence. There is a general to do list at a homicide scene.
Barely anything normally done was done this time.

False. Sanford PD wanted to arrest, prosecutor told them to release.

Okay, then where's the blood splatter evidence and photos? Trajectory
evidence? Toxicology, drug and alcohol testing on Zimmerman? Psychology
testing done? It goes on and on.

Ask Sanford PD. They'll turn over what they have to the prosecutor if this thing ever goes to court.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article 18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms; and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of your son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my attorneys] to
express that to them."

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Not the evidence in court. The Judge himself dismissed most of your
claim. But I hate to bother you with facts... I saw the hearing, I
actually want to know the facts when I come to the discussion...

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms; and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of your son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/12 12:36 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those
things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up
"stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?
Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-

has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest
with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all
you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms; and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of your
son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)



Uh...the news item I posted is easy enough to check, **** for brains. I
didn't edit it and it isn't out of context. What it isn't is your
uneducated, ignorant take on reality.

Here is some additional information:

As part of the conditions of his release, Judge Kenneth Lester
instructed that Zimmerman not be allowed to possess firearms of any
kind, nor can he use alcohol or have any contact with the Martin family.
The judge imposed a curfew from 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. on Zimmerman and said
he should be fitted with a GPS monitoring device. He said that if
Zimmerman and his attorney can work it out with the sheriff's
department, he had no objection to Zimmerman residing out of state
before the trial begins.

The part about the sheriff and leaving the state is later news.
It has to be "worked out," the judge said.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article , says...

On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

I couldn't, I'm employed. So.... Zimmerman's arrest record to you isn't
relative, but Martin, who allegedly got into a little school trouble,
but has NO arrest record is a thug who deserved to be shot by an ill
tempered vigilante? Got it.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On Friday, April 20, 2012 11:24:22 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Again, *you* don't know exactly what was done, so conjecture.


Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?

That's not in evidence. The only statement we have at this time says that Martin approached Zimmerman, and initiated contact.


Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

Because charges are filed on someone you think that they've actually done something? So everyone that's ever been charged is automatically guilty? Are you serious?


The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

You just saw it. They published something that they had to later correct with a "note" after it was pointed out to them. Half-assed journalism. Some would even say very FOX-like, eh?


Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

I've said nearly nothing about Martin. You, on the other hand, have tried Zimmerman and found him guilty based on little knowledge of the facts and some crappy news articles you hand-picked. Fact is, and my point... you just don't know. Most of your so-called "facts" are only your opinion, and are based on error-filled, biased articles. You're just a different version of your hypothetical FOX viewer. Some crappy writer with a bias told you to think that.

I'm done.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article 20499027.628.1334941230554.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@yndr30, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 11:24:22 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Again, *you* don't know exactly what was done, so conjecture.


Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?

That's not in evidence. The only statement we have at this time says that Martin approached Zimmerman, and initiated contact.


Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

Because charges are filed on someone you think that they've actually done something? So everyone that's ever been charged is automatically guilty? Are you serious?

There were witnesses to the events.


The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

You just saw it. They published something that they had to later correct with a "note" after it was pointed out to them. Half-assed journalism. Some would even say very FOX-like, eh?


Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

I've said nearly nothing about Martin. You, on the other hand, have tried Zimmerman and found him guilty based on little knowledge of the facts and some crappy news articles you hand-picked. Fact is, and my point... you just don't know. Most of your so-called "facts" are only your opinion, and are based on error-filled, biased articles. You're just a different version of your hypothetical FOX viewer. Some crappy writer with a bias told you to think that.

I'm done.

Bull****. I've NEVER said Zimmerman is guilty. And you brought up
Martin's past.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article , says...

On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms; and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of your son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)

Gee, because he was granted bail (with an ankle bracelet, I might add)
means he's innocent, right?

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/12 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 20, 2012 11:24:22 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Again, *you* don't know exactly what was done, so conjecture.


Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?

That's not in evidence. The only statement we have at this time says that Martin approached Zimmerman, and initiated contact.


Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

Because charges are filed on someone you think that they've actually done something? So everyone that's ever been charged is automatically guilty? Are you serious?


The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

You just saw it. They published something that they had to later correct with a "note" after it was pointed out to them. Half-assed journalism. Some would even say very FOX-like, eh?


Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

I've said nearly nothing about Martin. You, on the other hand, have tried Zimmerman and found him guilty based on little knowledge of the facts and some crappy news articles you hand-picked. Fact is, and my point... you just don't know. Most of your so-called "facts" are only your opinion, and are based on error-filled, biased articles. You're just a different version of your hypothetical FOX viewer. Some crappy writer with a bias told you to think that.

I'm done.

We could tell by the fork you stuck into yourself.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 4/20/12 12:36 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those
things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up
"stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?
Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-

has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest
with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all
you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms; and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of your
son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)



Uh...the news item I posted is easy enough to check, **** for brains. I
didn't edit it and it isn't out of context. What it isn't is your
uneducated, ignorant take on reality.

Here is some additional information:

As part of the conditions of his release, Judge Kenneth Lester
instructed that Zimmerman not be allowed to possess firearms of any
kind, nor can he use alcohol or have any contact with the Martin family.
The judge imposed a curfew from 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. on Zimmerman and said
he should be fitted with a GPS monitoring device. He said that if
Zimmerman and his attorney can work it out with the sheriff's
department, he had no objection to Zimmerman residing out of state
before the trial begins.

The part about the sheriff and leaving the state is later news.
It has to be "worked out," the judge said.

You just don't understand. Zimmerman is a fine gentleman. Don't think
about those charges of violence against him. Now Martin is a "black with
an attitude" and although never charged with a crime, he is a "street
thug". Just ask FOX!

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article , says...

On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Not the evidence in court. The Judge himself dismissed most of your
claim. But I hate to bother you with facts... I saw the hearing, I
actually want to know the facts when I come to the discussion...

Uh, he dismissed them because they aren't relevant to the case. Again,
how many violent crimes has Zimmerman been charged with? Now, how many
has Martin been charged with? Yet you FOXites continue to bring up the
dead kid's past.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 1:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms; and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of your son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)

Gee, because he was granted bail (with an ankle bracelet, I might add)
means he's innocent, right?

Nope, that would be a silly assumption, only made by an irrational
person with an agenda.. I am particularly talking about the part where
the Judge address Zimmerman's past record. I will let you do your own
research.. Come back when you have.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 1:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

I couldn't, I'm employed. So.... Zimmerman's arrest record to you isn't
relative, but Martin, who allegedly got into a little school trouble,
but has NO arrest record is a thug who deserved to be shot by an ill
tempered vigilante? Got it.

When did I even mention Martin, you lying asshole?

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 20, 2012 11:24:22 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Again, *you* don't know exactly what was done, so conjecture.


Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?

That's not in evidence. The only statement we have at this time says that Martin approached Zimmerman, and initiated contact.


Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

Because charges are filed on someone you think that they've actually done something? So everyone that's ever been charged is automatically guilty? Are you serious?


The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

You just saw it. They published something that they had to later correct with a "note" after it was pointed out to them. Half-assed journalism. Some would even say very FOX-like, eh?


Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

I've said nearly nothing about Martin. You, on the other hand, have tried Zimmerman and found him guilty based on little knowledge of the facts and some crappy news articles you hand-picked. Fact is, and my point... you just don't know. Most of your so-called "facts" are only your opinion, and are based on error-filled, biased articles. You're just a different version of your hypothetical FOX viewer. Some crappy writer with a bias told you to think that.

I'm done.

Me too, for the same reasons. He is the one who has already made up his
mind...

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms; and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of your son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)

Gee, because he was granted bail (with an ankle bracelet, I might add)
means he's innocent, right?

Nope, that would be a silly assumption, only made by an irrational
person with an agenda.. I am particularly talking about the part where
the Judge address Zimmerman's past record. I will let you do your own
research.. Come back when you have.

What does it matter? MY point, which you fail miserably to understand is
that you and other FOXites dredged up Martin's past (he's never been
arrested, by the way) but then don't want to bring Zimmerman's past (he
HAS been arrested several times) into it. Funny huh?

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

I couldn't, I'm employed. So.... Zimmerman's arrest record to you isn't
relative, but Martin, who allegedly got into a little school trouble,
but has NO arrest record is a thug who deserved to be shot by an ill
tempered vigilante? Got it.

When did I even mention Martin, you lying asshole?

Never said YOU mentioned anybody. So you can quit your childish name
calling and apologize at any time. You always go insane like that when
someone gives you real facts instead of what FOX tells you.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 20, 2012 11:24:22 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Again, *you* don't know exactly what was done, so conjecture.


Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?

That's not in evidence. The only statement we have at this time says that Martin approached Zimmerman, and initiated contact.


Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

Because charges are filed on someone you think that they've actually done something? So everyone that's ever been charged is automatically guilty? Are you serious?


The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

You just saw it. They published something that they had to later correct with a "note" after it was pointed out to them. Half-assed journalism. Some would even say very FOX-like, eh?


Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

I've said nearly nothing about Martin. You, on the other hand, have tried Zimmerman and found him guilty based on little knowledge of the facts and some crappy news articles you hand-picked. Fact is, and my point... you just don't know. Most of your so-called "facts" are only your opinion, and are based on error-filled, biased articles. You're just a different version of your hypothetical FOX viewer. Some crappy writer with a bias told you to think that.

I'm done.

Me too, for the same reasons. He is the one who has already made up his
mind...

Yeah, let's not forget who the first person to bring race into it right
here was, and let's not forget about those that spewed about a "black
attitude" and let's not forget that you want to bring Martin's past into
this but not Zimmermans. Now just whose mind is made up?

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 3:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms; and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of your son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)

Gee, because he was granted bail (with an ankle bracelet, I might add)
means he's innocent, right?

Nope, that would be a silly assumption, only made by an irrational
person with an agenda.. I am particularly talking about the part where
the Judge address Zimmerman's past record. I will let you do your own
research.. Come back when you have.

What does it matter? MY point, which you fail miserably to understand is
that you and other FOXites dredged up Martin's past (he's never been
arrested, by the way) but then don't want to bring Zimmerman's past (he
HAS been arrested several times) into it. Funny huh?

My whole post was about Zimmermans past, as interpreted in a court of
law, by a judge... I said nothing about Martin, period. If I thought you
were really that stupid, that would be one thing, but you are not. You
are just being an asshole.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 3:12 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 20, 2012 11:24:22 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Again, *you* don't know exactly what was done, so conjecture.


Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?

That's not in evidence. The only statement we have at this time says that Martin approached Zimmerman, and initiated contact.


Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

Because charges are filed on someone you think that they've actually done something? So everyone that's ever been charged is automatically guilty? Are you serious?


The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

You just saw it. They published something that they had to later correct with a "note" after it was pointed out to them. Half-assed journalism. Some would even say very FOX-like, eh?


Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

I've said nearly nothing about Martin. You, on the other hand, have tried Zimmerman and found him guilty based on little knowledge of the facts and some crappy news articles you hand-picked. Fact is, and my point... you just don't know. Most of your so-called "facts" are only your opinion, and are based on error-filled, biased articles. You're just a different version of your hypothetical FOX viewer. Some crappy writer with a bias told you to think that.

I'm done.

Me too, for the same reasons. He is the one who has already made up his
mind...

Yeah, let's not forget who the first person to bring race into it right
here was, and let's not forget about those that spewed about a "black
attitude" and let's not forget that you want to bring Martin's past into
this but not Zimmermans. Now just whose mind is made up?

You are retarded...

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 2:21 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 1:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same
as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the
state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal
investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those
things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up
"stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he
was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone.
In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?
Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-

has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously
arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman
has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against
him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program.
The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same
date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a
pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never
touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest
with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all
you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

I couldn't, I'm employed. So.... Zimmerman's arrest record to you isn't
relative, but Martin, who allegedly got into a little school trouble,
but has NO arrest record is a thug who deserved to be shot by an ill
tempered vigilante? Got it.

When did I even mention Martin, you lying asshole?

I think you misjudged Iboatererer. He reaLLY is STUPID.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/12 3:38 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 3:12 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 20, 2012 11:24:22 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night,
I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were
there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same
as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the
state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal
investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those
things
normally done.

Again, *you* don't know exactly what was done, so conjecture.


Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up
"stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he
was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone.
In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it
seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?

That's not in evidence. The only statement we have at this time says
that Martin approached Zimmerman, and initiated contact.


Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-

has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously
arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge
that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed
with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman
has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges
against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion
program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on
the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

Because charges are filed on someone you think that they've actually
done something? So everyone that's ever been charged is
automatically guilty? Are you serious?


The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

You just saw it. They published something that they had to later
correct with a "note" after it was pointed out to them. Half-assed
journalism. Some would even say very FOX-like, eh?


Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a
pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never
touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest
with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all
you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

I've said nearly nothing about Martin. You, on the other hand, have
tried Zimmerman and found him guilty based on little knowledge of
the facts and some crappy news articles you hand-picked. Fact is,
and my point... you just don't know. Most of your so-called "facts"
are only your opinion, and are based on error-filled, biased
articles. You're just a different version of your hypothetical FOX
viewer. Some crappy writer with a bias told you to think that.

I'm done.

Me too, for the same reasons. He is the one who has already made up his
mind...

Yeah, let's not forget who the first person to bring race into it right
here was, and let's not forget about those that spewed about a "black
attitude" and let's not forget that you want to bring Martin's past into
this but not Zimmermans. Now just whose mind is made up?

You are retarded...


It's good that you recognize him as a kindred spirit, because you are
indisputably the dumbest poster active in rec.boats.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/20/2012 4:18 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 4/20/2012 2:21 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 1:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same
as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the
state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal
investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those
things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up
"stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he
was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone.
In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?
Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-


has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously
arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge
that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed
with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman
has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against
him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program.
The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same
date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a
pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never
touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest
with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all
you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for
incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to
this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

I couldn't, I'm employed. So.... Zimmerman's arrest record to you isn't
relative, but Martin, who allegedly got into a little school trouble,
but has NO arrest record is a thug who deserved to be shot by an ill
tempered vigilante? Got it.

When did I even mention Martin, you lying asshole?

I think you misjudged Iboatererer. He reaLLY is STUPID.

Yup...

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article , says...

On 4/20/2012 3:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms; and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of your son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)

Gee, because he was granted bail (with an ankle bracelet, I might add)
means he's innocent, right?

Nope, that would be a silly assumption, only made by an irrational
person with an agenda.. I am particularly talking about the part where
the Judge address Zimmerman's past record. I will let you do your own
research.. Come back when you have.

What does it matter? MY point, which you fail miserably to understand is
that you and other FOXites dredged up Martin's past (he's never been
arrested, by the way) but then don't want to bring Zimmerman's past (he
HAS been arrested several times) into it. Funny huh?

My whole post was about Zimmermans past, as interpreted in a court of
law, by a judge... I said nothing about Martin, period. If I thought you
were really that stupid, that would be one thing, but you are not. You
are just being an asshole.

Oh, but in the past you've stated right here in rec.boats that Martin
had a shady past. So, I'll make it very easy for you to understand
(hopefully you will).

#1. Of the two, which one has been arrested three times, two of which
were violent crimes?

#2. Which of the two has NO arrest record?

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article , says...

On 4/20/2012 3:12 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 20, 2012 11:24:22 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Again, *you* don't know exactly what was done, so conjecture.


Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?

That's not in evidence. The only statement we have at this time says that Martin approached Zimmerman, and initiated contact.


Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

Because charges are filed on someone you think that they've actually done something? So everyone that's ever been charged is automatically guilty? Are you serious?


The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

You just saw it. They published something that they had to later correct with a "note" after it was pointed out to them. Half-assed journalism. Some would even say very FOX-like, eh?


Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

I've said nearly nothing about Martin. You, on the other hand, have tried Zimmerman and found him guilty based on little knowledge of the facts and some crappy news articles you hand-picked. Fact is, and my point... you just don't know. Most of your so-called "facts" are only your opinion, and are based on error-filled, biased articles. You're just a different version of your hypothetical FOX viewer. Some crappy writer with a bias told you to think that.

I'm done.

Me too, for the same reasons. He is the one who has already made up his
mind...

Yeah, let's not forget who the first person to bring race into it right
here was, and let's not forget about those that spewed about a "black
attitude" and let's not forget that you want to bring Martin's past into
this but not Zimmermans. Now just whose mind is made up?

You are retarded...

Which of the above do you disagree with and why?

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article , says...

On 4/20/2012 4:18 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 4/20/2012 2:21 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 1:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same
as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the
state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal
investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those
things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up
"stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he
was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone.
In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?
Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-


has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously
arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge
that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed
with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman
has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against
him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program.
The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same
date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a
pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never
touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest
with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all
you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for
incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to
this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

I couldn't, I'm employed. So.... Zimmerman's arrest record to you isn't
relative, but Martin, who allegedly got into a little school trouble,
but has NO arrest record is a thug who deserved to be shot by an ill
tempered vigilante? Got it.

When did I even mention Martin, you lying asshole?

I think you misjudged Iboatererer. He reaLLY is STUPID.

Yup...

That's funny coming from a FOX sheeple like you.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/21/2012 9:10 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 3:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-
has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms; and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of your son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)

Gee, because he was granted bail (with an ankle bracelet, I might add)
means he's innocent, right?

Nope, that would be a silly assumption, only made by an irrational
person with an agenda.. I am particularly talking about the part where
the Judge address Zimmerman's past record. I will let you do your own
research.. Come back when you have.

What does it matter? MY point, which you fail miserably to understand is
that you and other FOXites dredged up Martin's past (he's never been
arrested, by the way) but then don't want to bring Zimmerman's past (he
HAS been arrested several times) into it. Funny huh?

My whole post was about Zimmermans past, as interpreted in a court of
law, by a judge... I said nothing about Martin, period. If I thought you
were really that stupid, that would be one thing, but you are not. You
are just being an asshole.

Oh, but in the past you've stated right here in rec.boats that Martin
had a shady past. So, I'll make it very easy for you to understand
(hopefully you will).

#1. Of the two, which one has been arrested three times, two of which
were violent crimes?

#2. Which of the two has NO arrest record?

Who cares? One version of the story has all three charges arising out of
the same incident. I don't know the truth of the matter, do you?

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/21/2012 9:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 4:18 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 4/20/2012 2:21 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 1:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,
wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same
as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the
state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal
investigations of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those
things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up
"stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he
was following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone.
In fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?
Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-


has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously
arrested for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge
that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed
with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman
has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against
him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program.
The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same
date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a
pretty wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never
touched anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest
with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all
you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for
incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to
this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

I couldn't, I'm employed. So.... Zimmerman's arrest record to you isn't
relative, but Martin, who allegedly got into a little school trouble,
but has NO arrest record is a thug who deserved to be shot by an ill
tempered vigilante? Got it.

When did I even mention Martin, you lying asshole?

I think you misjudged Iboatererer. He reaLLY is STUPID.

Yup...

That's funny coming from a FOX sheeple like you.

What's so funny about "yup..."? Are you retarded as well?

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/21/2012 9:32 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 4/21/2012 9:10 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 3:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer
wrote:
In
article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,

wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,

wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,

wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the
question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at
night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were
there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have
Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were
from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the
same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I
doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a
case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case
the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal
investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do
those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look
up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone
back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time
he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't
sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-

has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously
arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and
most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony
charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously
closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was
someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer
able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George
Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges
against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion
program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the
same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention
means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched
one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a
pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting
arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After
all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman
was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great
effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for
incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed
all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not
relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will
even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George
Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida
teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing
further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he
would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not
have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's
order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms;
and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss
of your son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a
little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was
told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my
attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and
cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't
care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)

Gee, because he was granted bail (with an ankle bracelet, I might
add)
means he's innocent, right?

Nope, that would be a silly assumption, only made by an irrational
person with an agenda.. I am particularly talking about the part where
the Judge address Zimmerman's past record. I will let you do your own
research.. Come back when you have.

What does it matter? MY point, which you fail miserably to
understand is
that you and other FOXites dredged up Martin's past (he's never been
arrested, by the way) but then don't want to bring Zimmerman's past (he
HAS been arrested several times) into it. Funny huh?

My whole post was about Zimmermans past, as interpreted in a court of
law, by a judge... I said nothing about Martin, period. If I thought you
were really that stupid, that would be one thing, but you are not. You
are just being an asshole.

Oh, but in the past you've stated right here in rec.boats that Martin
had a shady past. So, I'll make it very easy for you to understand
(hopefully you will).

#1. Of the two, which one has been arrested three times, two of which
were violent crimes?

#2. Which of the two has NO arrest record?

Who cares? One version of the story has all three charges arising out of
the same incident. I don't know the truth of the matter, do you?

He doesn't, he still obviously hasn't looked into what the Judge said
about that yesterday...

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

In article , says...

On 4/21/2012 9:32 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 4/21/2012 9:10 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 3:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer
wrote:
In
article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,

wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,

wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,

wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the
question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at
night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were
there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have
Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were
from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the
same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I
doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a
case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case
the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal
investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do
those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look
up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone
back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time
he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't
sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-

has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously
arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and
most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony
charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously
closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was
someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer
able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George
Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges
against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion
program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the
same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention
means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched
one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a
pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting
arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After
all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman
was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great
effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for
incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed
all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not
relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will
even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George
Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida
teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing
further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he
would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not
have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's
order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms;
and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss
of your son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a
little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was
told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my
attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and
cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't
care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)

Gee, because he was granted bail (with an ankle bracelet, I might
add)
means he's innocent, right?

Nope, that would be a silly assumption, only made by an irrational
person with an agenda.. I am particularly talking about the part where
the Judge address Zimmerman's past record. I will let you do your own
research.. Come back when you have.

What does it matter? MY point, which you fail miserably to
understand is
that you and other FOXites dredged up Martin's past (he's never been
arrested, by the way) but then don't want to bring Zimmerman's past (he
HAS been arrested several times) into it. Funny huh?

My whole post was about Zimmermans past, as interpreted in a court of
law, by a judge... I said nothing about Martin, period. If I thought you
were really that stupid, that would be one thing, but you are not. You
are just being an asshole.

Oh, but in the past you've stated right here in rec.boats that Martin
had a shady past. So, I'll make it very easy for you to understand
(hopefully you will).

#1. Of the two, which one has been arrested three times, two of which
were violent crimes?

#2. Which of the two has NO arrest record?

Who cares? One version of the story has all three charges arising out of
the same incident. I don't know the truth of the matter, do you?

He doesn't, he still obviously hasn't looked into what the Judge said
about that yesterday...

I don't care what the judge said yesterday. I asked two simple questions
and you can't answer them.

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 

On 4/21/2012 11:20 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/21/2012 9:32 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 4/21/2012 9:10 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 3:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 1:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article18803972.421.1334930205112.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbi17, says...

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:46:47 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1526853.2971.1334881550324.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@vbab2, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer
wrote:
In
article18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,

wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400,

wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400,

wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the
question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at
night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were
there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have
Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were
from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the
same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I
doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a
case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case
the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal
investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do
those things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look
up "stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone
back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time
he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't
sinister? Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-

has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously
arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and
most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony
charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously
closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was
someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer
able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George
Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges
against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion
program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the
same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention
means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched
one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a
pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting
arrest with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After
all you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman
was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great
effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for
incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed
all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not
relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will
even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George
Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida
teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing
further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he
would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not
have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's
order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms;
and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss
of your son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a
little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was
told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my
attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and
cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't
care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it... :)

Gee, because he was granted bail (with an ankle bracelet, I might
add)
means he's innocent, right?

Nope, that would be a silly assumption, only made by an irrational
person with an agenda.. I am particularly talking about the part where
the Judge address Zimmerman's past record. I will let you do your own
research.. Come back when you have.

What does it matter? MY point, which you fail miserably to
understand is
that you and other FOXites dredged up Martin's past (he's never been
arrested, by the way) but then don't want to bring Zimmerman's past (he
HAS been arrested several times) into it. Funny huh?

My whole post was about Zimmermans past, as interpreted in a court of
law, by a judge... I said nothing about Martin, period. If I thought you
were really that stupid, that would be one thing, but you are not. You
are just being an asshole.

Oh, but in the past you've stated right here in rec.boats that Martin
had a shady past. So, I'll make it very easy for you to understand
(hopefully you will).

#1. Of the two, which one has been arrested three times, two of which
were violent crimes?

#2. Which of the two has NO arrest record?

Who cares? One version of the story has all three charges arising out of
the same incident. I don't know the truth of the matter, do you?

He doesn't, he still obviously hasn't looked into what the Judge said
about that yesterday...

I don't care what the judge said yesterday. I asked two simple questions
and you can't answer them.

We already know the answers, everyone does, but it "has no bearing on
this case" in the words of the Judge, and like it or not, we are not
China yet...