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iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 03:27 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article 27180777.450.1334667777609.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbr30, says...

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:00:08 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 25970260.417.1334621734133.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1,
says...

On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:18:16 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:59:39 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,


The only story we have is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
Unless there is a witness we have not seen yet, that will be the only
story we have. Everything else is speculation.

Not true at all. Zimmerman STATED that he "followed Martin".


He also said he had lost sight of Martin


I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?


Not really ... in Florida. On your property, you can pretty much shoot
them and that is particularly true if they punch you in the nose and
knock you down
Harry would shoot you for that and he lives in a "retreat state"

So if a man like Zimmerman approaches me at night in Florida while I'm
walking home I can't under law walk away?

You can certainly walk away but you can't punch them in the nose for
asking "what are you doing here" on private property.

And there you have it... it's not against the law to ask someone a question. It IS against the law to commit assault & battery.

"Going to my Dad's house." was the proper response. A little less attitude would have saved his life.


Oh, so a person in Florida is automatically supposed to just do nothing
when someone attempts to assault him? Then just what IS this stand your
ground law for?


Write 100 times:

"Asking a question is not assault."


But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 03:30 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , says...

On 4/17/2012 9:09 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 4/15/2012 9:49 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:14:28 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/14/12 8:08 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.
After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

I wouldn't have said a word to Zimmerman. I would have just kept on
walking to the house where a blood relative lived.

If Martin had done that it would just be another gone on arrival call
for the cops. Instead he chose to confront Zimmerman.

Gee, the FOXites seem to think that the lefties are making judgement
calls, but the above is just hearsay. You don't know the facts.

If the property is
that private, I wonder who is called when police or firemen are needed.

They pay their taxes., They call the cops and fire department just
like you would for your private property that you have said you would
kill over.


Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.



Anybody with nothing to hide, and/or a brain, would identify themselves
if they were strangers walking in a clearly posted private property and
questioned by someone representing the clearly posted neighborhood watch..


I wouldn't unless he identified HIMSELF.


Anybody with nothing to hide, and/or a brain...


Really? So if a perfect stranger approaches you in the dark, doesn't
identify himself as a neighborhood watch vigilante, you would give that
person all of the information he asks for? That's stupid.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 03:31 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , says...

On 4/17/2012 9:21 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 4/16/2012 3:41 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articleCOKdnTZPKps_7RHSnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 4/16/12 2:23 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:49:37 -0400, wrote:


Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.


They also said trespassers would be arrested and prosecuted


Zimmerman had no powers of arrest and prosecution.

Well, the thing is this: In general, trespass laws apply to someone
infringing on private property to which he or she has not been invited.
Martin was indeed invited there.


"Well then"??? How about saying, "sorry I lied about him not being
private property, I will go read the police report before making an ass
of myself again here"...????????


You are ****ing insane! What you have just typed has NOTHING to do with
the way trespassing laws work.


once you get hysterical, I stop reading.... snerk


Do tell then, HOW was Treyvon Wilson trespassing? I'm sure you'll not
answer, you don't like it when those pesky FACTS get in the way of what
FOX has told you!


iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 03:32 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , says...

On 4/17/2012 9:22 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 4/16/2012 2:32 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:50:07 -0400, wrote:

You would go to jail for trespassing.

Nope, they are public streets.

Not inside a gated community.
As soon as you put up a gate, you own the street. In this case they
were NEVER government owned streets. The developer built the street,
the HOA owns the street and is responsible for maintenance. The cops
come in as visitors unless they are in hot pursuit, the same as it
would be on your patio.,
In our county they actually have a different bunch of deputies to
handle gated communities (a great gig by the way)


We went through this when some people here wanted our HOA to put up
gates. We would have been required to get the county to vacate the
roads and cede them over to us. then we would get no more county
maintenance. That was the show stopper.
Most gated communities are built from scratch and they never give the
roads to the county. (the county will not take them, even if you want,
when they are behind gates)

I am amazed at how little you people know about HOAs and gated
communities, yet you seem to have plenty of opinions.

This guy just refuses to look at any info before he makes up his next
troll... Amazing, he hasn't changed a bit.

I lived in a HOA in the eighties.. Just couldn't live that way, but it
was good as it convinced us to buy a house:)


Psssst, I'm on my HOA's board.......


Yeah, I could have guessed that...


Well then, tell me just how could you have guessed that?

[email protected] April 17th 12 04:32 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:27:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 27180777.450.1334667777609.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbr30, says...

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:00:08 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 25970260.417.1334621734133.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1,
says...

On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:18:16 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:59:39 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,


The only story we have is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
Unless there is a witness we have not seen yet, that will be the only
story we have. Everything else is speculation.

Not true at all. Zimmerman STATED that he "followed Martin".


He also said he had lost sight of Martin


I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?


Not really ... in Florida. On your property, you can pretty much shoot
them and that is particularly true if they punch you in the nose and
knock you down
Harry would shoot you for that and he lives in a "retreat state"

So if a man like Zimmerman approaches me at night in Florida while I'm
walking home I can't under law walk away?

You can certainly walk away but you can't punch them in the nose for
asking "what are you doing here" on private property.

And there you have it... it's not against the law to ask someone a question. It IS against the law to commit assault & battery.

"Going to my Dad's house." was the proper response. A little less attitude would have saved his life.

Oh, so a person in Florida is automatically supposed to just do nothing
when someone attempts to assault him? Then just what IS this stand your
ground law for?


Write 100 times:

"Asking a question is not assault."


But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?



Do you commit assault and battery on everyone that is asking you a question, just in case they are about to attack you?

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 04:51 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article 16634306.320.1334676758660.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynll26, says...

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:27:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 27180777.450.1334667777609.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbr30,
says...

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:00:08 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 25970260.417.1334621734133.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1,
says...

On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:18:16 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:59:39 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,


The only story we have is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
Unless there is a witness we have not seen yet, that will be the only
story we have. Everything else is speculation.

Not true at all. Zimmerman STATED that he "followed Martin".


He also said he had lost sight of Martin


I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?


Not really ... in Florida. On your property, you can pretty much shoot
them and that is particularly true if they punch you in the nose and
knock you down
Harry would shoot you for that and he lives in a "retreat state"

So if a man like Zimmerman approaches me at night in Florida while I'm
walking home I can't under law walk away?

You can certainly walk away but you can't punch them in the nose for
asking "what are you doing here" on private property.

And there you have it... it's not against the law to ask someone a question. It IS against the law to commit assault & battery.

"Going to my Dad's house." was the proper response. A little less attitude would have saved his life.

Oh, so a person in Florida is automatically supposed to just do nothing
when someone attempts to assault him? Then just what IS this stand your
ground law for?

Write 100 times:

"Asking a question is not assault."


But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?



Do you commit assault and battery on everyone that is asking you a question, just in case they are about to attack you?


How do you know that Wilson committed an assault and battery? But, I
certainly wouldn't give a stranger in the night any information without
knowing who he was and what he wanted. It would be stupid to do so.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 04:52 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:02:29 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:18:16 PM UTC-4, wrote:

You can certainly walk away but you can't punch them in the nose for
asking "what are you doing here" on private property.

And there you have it... it's not against the law to ask someone a question. It IS against the law to commit assault & battery.

"Going to my Dad's house." was the proper response. A little less attitude would have saved his life.


Sad but true. Unfortunately we have raised a couple generations of
kids who are all about "attitude", particularly in the black
community.
If Zimmerman had been a North Miami thug like Martin wanted to be,
there would have been more respect shown.


Bull****. So, in the dark of night, a stranger comes up to you or
someone who is able to defend themselves, doesn't identify himself, so
you don't know what he intends, you are just going to offer him up any
information he wants?


You are still assuming Zimmerman "came up to" Martin. What is your
source for that information?


Because that's what did. He told police he got out of the car and
"approached" Martin.

Zimmerman says Martin approached him from behind and nobody has said
they actually saw anything different.
You can make up any fantasy you like but there is only one real
witness so far and that is Zimmerman.


See, that is the problem with Zimmerman's story. You and others because
FOX tells you to, instantly assume Zimmerman is being honest here.



X ` Man[_3_] April 17th 12 05:10 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/17/12 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:07:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/17/12 9:02 AM,
wrote:

"Asking a question is not assault."



Not answering a question is not asking to be assaulted.


It appears Martin answered the question with a punch in the nose.


Nothing more than right-wing conjecture on your part.

X ` Man[_3_] April 17th 12 05:10 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/17/12 12:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."


But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?



True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.



More conjecture on your part.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 05:54 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:03:50 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...



There is nobody else who knows what actually happened. Until I
actually hear another credible witness who actually saw what happened,
I am left with Zimmerman's story.
The first eye witness so far did not even look until the guy with the
white shirt had the guy in the red shirt on the ground.
The woman who said the guy in red was on top did not look until after
the gun shot.


How about the girlfriend? How about the lady who heard the ruckus and
claims it was all about Zimmerman? Oh, they don't count, because like
you said earlier, those blacks have an attitude.


The girl friend has Martin asking the first question

The other witnesses did not start looking until after the fight
started and the ONLY one that has Zimmerman on top did not look until
after Martin was shot.


Well then, it MUST be that "black attitude" thing.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 05:56 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:04:40 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:59:59 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

He was on a public sidewalk and staying there with relatives.

If he was inside that gate, he was on a private sidewalk on private
property.


Once again, he was invited there. He wasn't trespassing.


You said it was a public sidewalk.

It is not unreasonable to ask a stranger why they are on private
property, particularly in answer to the question "why are you
following me"


An answer to a question is usually not a question.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 06:00 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:07:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/17/12 9:02 AM,
wrote:

"Asking a question is not assault."



Not answering a question is not asking to be assaulted.


It appears Martin answered the question with a punch in the nose. THAT
is assault and battery. When Zimmerman's head was bounced on the
pavement it was aggravated assault.
That is a forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have shot
Martin at that point. (using the old law)


I think Martin was standing his ground, and that's what you're supposed
to do in Florida. You state the above like it's facts and it's not, it's
hearsay, and not only that, barely plausible. How much are you going to
let a guy pummel you if you have a gun?

This all comes down to breaking Zimmerman's story and Corey has not
said she can do that, at least not in the charging document.
She is trying to make a case that Zimmerman got out of his truck,
intending to shoot Martin "with a depraved mind". If so, why did he
call the cops?


Because he's a cop wannabe vigilante.

We better get our head around the idea that Zimmerman is going to beat
this charge. It might get tossed in the immunity hearing. As Bill
Maher said the other night, store owners in Miami are already buying
the plywood to board up their stores.
It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.


There you go again, certain that Zimmerman is innocent because of
what??? Oh, FOX of course!




iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 06:02 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:20:34 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Zimmerman could have been nothing more
than a thug wanting to rob Martin.


Yeah we have had a rash of insurance salesmen robbing kids of their
skittles ... bull****


Have you had a rash of kids with skittles and a cold drink killing
people? I was using the exact same criteria as you to come to the above
conclusion.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 06:03 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:22:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


Psssst, I'm on my HOA's board.......


You do seem fairly confused about the legal status of your HOAs common
property but I bet you are not in a gated community.


Doesn't matter, Martin had all the right to be there.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 06:03 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."


But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?



True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.


Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 06:04 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:32:28 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


Well then, tell me just how could you have guessed that


We didn't have to. You already told us


Cite?

JustWait[_2_] April 17th 12 06:41 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/17/2012 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article16634306.320.1334676758660.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynll26, says...

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:27:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article27180777.450.1334667777609.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbr30,
says...

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:00:08 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article25970260.417.1334621734133.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1,
says...

On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:18:16 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:59:39 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:46 -0400, wrote:

In ,


The only story we have is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
Unless there is a witness we have not seen yet, that will be the only
story we have. Everything else is speculation.

Not true at all. Zimmerman STATED that he "followed Martin".


He also said he had lost sight of Martin


I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?


Not really ... in Florida. On your property, you can pretty much shoot
them and that is particularly true if they punch you in the nose and
knock you down
Harry would shoot you for that and he lives in a "retreat state"

So if a man like Zimmerman approaches me at night in Florida while I'm
walking home I can't under law walk away?

You can certainly walk away but you can't punch them in the nose for
asking "what are you doing here" on private property.

And there you have it... it's not against the law to ask someone a question. It IS against the law to commit assault& battery.

"Going to my Dad's house." was the proper response. A little less attitude would have saved his life.

Oh, so a person in Florida is automatically supposed to just do nothing
when someone attempts to assault him? Then just what IS this stand your
ground law for?

Write 100 times:

"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?



Do you commit assault and battery on everyone that is asking you a question, just in case they are about to attack you?


How do you know that Wilson committed an assault and battery? But, I
certainly wouldn't give a stranger in the night any information without
knowing who he was and what he wanted. It would be stupid to do so.



At least have enough respect to get his name right, as you are using his
death for a political bludgeon...

JustWait[_2_] April 17th 12 06:43 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/17/2012 1:03 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?



True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.


Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.


You would run and call the cops... you are not relevant in this
conversation from any other perspective than you seem to have the same
mindset as Zimmerman, with a touch more psychosis, a and a lot more
cowardice...

JustWait[_2_] April 17th 12 06:45 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/17/2012 12:54 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:03:50 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...


There is nobody else who knows what actually happened. Until I
actually hear another credible witness who actually saw what happened,
I am left with Zimmerman's story.
The first eye witness so far did not even look until the guy with the
white shirt had the guy in the red shirt on the ground.
The woman who said the guy in red was on top did not look until after
the gun shot.


How about the girlfriend? How about the lady who heard the ruckus and
claims it was all about Zimmerman? Oh, they don't count, because like
you said earlier, those blacks have an attitude.


The girl friend has Martin asking the first question

The other witnesses did not start looking until after the fight
started and the ONLY one that has Zimmerman on top did not look until
after Martin was shot.


Well then, it MUST be that "black attitude" thing.


You will say anything to keep the circle of bull**** turning... Next we
will be back at the who said first issue, then who followed who, then
back to the black attitude again. You are too predictable plum..

[email protected] April 17th 12 06:49 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:00:33 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:07:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/17/12 9:02 AM,
wrote:

"Asking a question is not assault."


Not answering a question is not asking to be assaulted.


It appears Martin answered the question with a punch in the nose. THAT
is assault and battery. When Zimmerman's head was bounced on the
pavement it was aggravated assault.
That is a forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have shot
Martin at that point. (using the old law)


I think Martin was standing his ground,


You "think", but you don't know. That's the problem, you're opinion is not based on any facts.

and that's what you're supposed
to do in Florida. You state the above like it's facts and it's not, it's
hearsay, and not only that, barely plausible. How much are you going to
let a guy pummel you if you have a gun?


Evidently in Zimmerman's case long enough to get cold-cocked, have the guy get on top of you and bounce your head off the ground a couple of times.


This all comes down to breaking Zimmerman's story and Corey has not
said she can do that, at least not in the charging document.
She is trying to make a case that Zimmerman got out of his truck,
intending to shoot Martin "with a depraved mind". If so, why did he
call the cops?


Because he's a cop wannabe vigilante.


Hearsay and pure conjecture.


We better get our head around the idea that Zimmerman is going to beat
this charge. It might get tossed in the immunity hearing. As Bill
Maher said the other night, store owners in Miami are already buying
the plywood to board up their stores.
It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.


There you go again, certain that Zimmerman is innocent because of
what??? Oh, FOX of course!


"Beat this charge" does not equal "innocent". I'll bet even FOX would tell you that!

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 08:16 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article 6021465.87.1334684966681.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@yncc41, says...

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:00:33 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:07:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/17/12 9:02 AM,
wrote:

"Asking a question is not assault."


Not answering a question is not asking to be assaulted.

It appears Martin answered the question with a punch in the nose. THAT
is assault and battery. When Zimmerman's head was bounced on the
pavement it was aggravated assault.
That is a forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have shot
Martin at that point. (using the old law)


I think Martin was standing his ground,


You "think", but you don't know. That's the problem, you're opinion is not based on any facts.


And neither is YOUR position.

and that's what you're supposed
to do in Florida. You state the above like it's facts and it's not, it's
hearsay, and not only that, barely plausible. How much are you going to
let a guy pummel you if you have a gun?


Evidently in Zimmerman's case long enough to get cold-cocked, have the guy get on top of you and bounce your head off the ground a couple of times.


Gee, you say that like you have facts to back that up! What are they?
Hospital reports? Nope.
Witnesses? Nope.
Hearsay? Yep!


This all comes down to breaking Zimmerman's story and Corey has not
said she can do that, at least not in the charging document.
She is trying to make a case that Zimmerman got out of his truck,
intending to shoot Martin "with a depraved mind". If so, why did he
call the cops?


Because he's a cop wannabe vigilante.


Hearsay and pure conjecture.


No, it's not according to the Sanford police department.


We better get our head around the idea that Zimmerman is going to beat
this charge. It might get tossed in the immunity hearing. As Bill
Maher said the other night, store owners in Miami are already buying
the plywood to board up their stores.
It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.


There you go again, certain that Zimmerman is innocent because of
what??? Oh, FOX of course!


"Beat this charge" does not equal "innocent". I'll bet even FOX would tell you that!


Sorry, I don't take anything spewed on FOX as fact.



iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 08:18 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , says...

On 4/17/2012 1:03 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.


Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.


You would run and call the cops... you are not relevant in this
conversation from any other perspective than you seem to have the same
mindset as Zimmerman, with a touch more psychosis, a and a lot more
cowardice...


You don't know ****. How in hell am I a coward? It's YOU who when
presented with real facts run and hide.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 08:18 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , says...

On 4/17/2012 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article16634306.320.1334676758660.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynll26,
says...

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:27:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article27180777.450.1334667777609.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynbr30,
says...

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:00:08 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article25970260.417.1334621734133.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1,
says...

On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:18:16 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:59:39 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:46 -0400, wrote:

In ,


The only story we have is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
Unless there is a witness we have not seen yet, that will be the only
story we have. Everything else is speculation.

Not true at all. Zimmerman STATED that he "followed Martin".


He also said he had lost sight of Martin


I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?


Not really ... in Florida. On your property, you can pretty much shoot
them and that is particularly true if they punch you in the nose and
knock you down
Harry would shoot you for that and he lives in a "retreat state"

So if a man like Zimmerman approaches me at night in Florida while I'm
walking home I can't under law walk away?

You can certainly walk away but you can't punch them in the nose for
asking "what are you doing here" on private property.

And there you have it... it's not against the law to ask someone a question. It IS against the law to commit assault& battery.

"Going to my Dad's house." was the proper response. A little less attitude would have saved his life.

Oh, so a person in Florida is automatically supposed to just do nothing
when someone attempts to assault him? Then just what IS this stand your
ground law for?

Write 100 times:

"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


Do you commit assault and battery on everyone that is asking you a question, just in case they are about to attack you?


How do you know that Wilson committed an assault and battery? But, I
certainly wouldn't give a stranger in the night any information without
knowing who he was and what he wanted. It would be stupid to do so.



At least have enough respect to get his name right, as you are using his
death for a political bludgeon...


For me, politics has NOTHING to do with it, except that FOX jumped on
the poor Zimmerman band wagon.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 08:20 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , says...

On 4/17/2012 12:54 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:03:50 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...


There is nobody else who knows what actually happened. Until I
actually hear another credible witness who actually saw what happened,
I am left with Zimmerman's story.
The first eye witness so far did not even look until the guy with the
white shirt had the guy in the red shirt on the ground.
The woman who said the guy in red was on top did not look until after
the gun shot.


How about the girlfriend? How about the lady who heard the ruckus and
claims it was all about Zimmerman? Oh, they don't count, because like
you said earlier, those blacks have an attitude.

The girl friend has Martin asking the first question

The other witnesses did not start looking until after the fight
started and the ONLY one that has Zimmerman on top did not look until
after Martin was shot.


Well then, it MUST be that "black attitude" thing.


You will say anything to keep the circle of bull**** turning... Next we
will be back at the who said first issue, then who followed who, then
back to the black attitude again. You are too predictable plum..


Circle of bull****? You do realize that gfretwell in fact did say it was
the black attitude that got him shot, don't you? And yes YOU were the
very first to interject racism into the conversations. You must be
proud.

JustWait[_2_] April 17th 12 09:03 PM

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On 4/17/2012 3:18 PM, iBoaterer wrote:


For me, politics has NOTHING to do with it,


ROTFLMAO...




JustWait[_2_] April 17th 12 10:02 PM

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On 4/17/2012 4:59 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:52:56 -0400, wrote:

Because that's what did. He told police he got out of the car and
"approached" Martin.


You obviously did not listen to that phone call.



I truly believe he actually hasn't listened to all of it. So lazy,
either that or just not interested not needing any facts to troll under
several different names.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 10:18 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , says...

On 4/17/2012 3:18 PM, iBoaterer wrote:


For me, politics has NOTHING to do with it,


ROTFLMAO...


Show me ONE SINGLE THING I've said political about this case.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 10:21 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article , says...

On 4/17/2012 4:59 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:52:56 -0400, wrote:

Because that's what did. He told police he got out of the car and
"approached" Martin.


You obviously did not listen to that phone call.



I truly believe he actually hasn't listened to all of it. So lazy,
either that or just not interested not needing any facts to troll under
several different names.


Oh really? What "FACTS" are you talking about? Since the only "facts" we
have are the Zimmerman shot Treyvon.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 10:22 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.


Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.


Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.


It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.


So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.


Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?



iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 10:23 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:04:25 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Well then, tell me just how could you have guessed that

We didn't have to. You already told us


Cite?


I am not wading through 100 notes to find it but you told me you were
on the HOA board a couple days ago when we first started talking about
HOAs


That's not what my original question asked.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 17th 12 10:25 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:16:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Evidently in Zimmerman's case long enough to get cold-cocked, have the guy get on top of you and bounce your head off the ground a couple of times.


Gee, you say that like you have facts to back that up! What are they?
Hospital reports? Nope.


The Z family says they have medical records


Hearsay.

Witnesses? Nope.

There are 2 who put Z on top, the 2 who saw the fight


From far away. How credible are these witnesses you hold so highly? Has
the prosecution had a chance to examine and ascertain just what they
know and how they know it? Have they done studies to determine whether
or not from where they were, at night, tell exactly what was going on?

Hearsay? Yep!

Nope


Then show me the real evidence that exonerates Zimmerman, it seems to be
missing.



Boating All Out April 18th 12 12:56 AM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:52:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Because that's what did. He told police he got out of the car and
"approached" Martin.


You obviously did not listen to that phone call.


Why talk with a troll? It's pointless.

thumper April 18th 12 02:13 AM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/17/2012 9:02 AM, wrote:

It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.


Wow, that's quite an extrapolation.


Wayne.B April 18th 12 02:49 AM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:02:01 -0400, wrote:

It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.


===

Wouldn't that be ironic.


X ` Man[_3_] April 18th 12 11:43 AM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On 4/17/12 9:49 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:02:01 -0400, wrote:

It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.


===

Wouldn't that be ironic.



The fervent wish of the right...

[email protected] April 18th 12 06:43 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.


It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.


So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.


Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.


Don't confuse him with facts.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 18th 12 07:54 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.


It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.


So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.


Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.


Sanford PD never wanted to press charges. They barely looked for
forensic evidence. There is a general to do list at a homicide scene.
Barely anything normally done was done this time.

iBoaterer[_2_] April 18th 12 07:56 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article 18562529.2042.1334771010739.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynee1, says...

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:27:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:



"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.


Don't confuse him with facts.


Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations of a
homicide.
Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.


iBoaterer[_2_] April 18th 12 07:59 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:25:58 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:16:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Evidently in Zimmerman's case long enough to get cold-cocked, have the guy get on top of you and bounce your head off the ground a couple of times.

Gee, you say that like you have facts to back that up! What are they?
Hospital reports? Nope.

The Z family says they have medical records


Hearsay.

Witnesses? Nope.
There are 2 who put Z on top, the 2 who saw the fight


From far away. How credible are these witnesses you hold so highly? Has
the prosecution had a chance to examine and ascertain just what they
know and how they know it? Have they done studies to determine whether
or not from where they were, at night, tell exactly what was going on?

Hearsay? Yep!
Nope


Then show me the real evidence that exonerates Zimmerman, it seems to be
missing.

Perhaps you were absent the day they taught civics in civics class.
The defense doesn't have to prove anything. It is up to the
prosecution to prove their case.


I didn't say that the defense has to prove anything. What I asked you to
show me is real evidence that exonerates Zimmerman because it was you
who has said all along that he's innocent.

The defendant is innocent until proved guilty.


Yes, he is, but that doesn't mean that there was cover up by the Sanford
PD.

The state will have to come up with evidence that Zimmerman's story is
not true. They have not shown any so far.


Of course they haven't. The trial hasn't started yet.

There is still a very good chance that this gets tossed at the
immunity hearing and it never gets to a jury.


And there is just as good of a chance that he'll be convicted.



iBoaterer[_2_] April 18th 12 08:00 PM

Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:43:50 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/17/12 9:49 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:02:01 -0400,
wrote:

It is going to be a long hot summer and if that happens, say hi to
President Romney.

===

Wouldn't that be ironic.



The fervent wish of the right...


I am not a Romney fan, but then I might be, or not, or so. What day is
it?
Shake up that etch a sketch and let's take another look. He might be
OK this time.

I am really surprised someone has not Google Bombed Romney to the top
hit for "Empty Suit".

Too bad Paris Hilton is not running this time. I am not sure who to
vote for now. ;-)


Alfred E. Neuman of course!


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