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On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:06:33 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 4/13/12 1:01 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:33:12 -0400, wrote: In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to take... How do you know for a fact that he even was looking into cars? Oh, right, you just automatically believe Zimmerman's side because FOX tells you to. I heard the police call, It is online dozens of places. You mean, of course, that you heard what Zimmerman told the police, right? That would be the same Zimmerman who beat his wife and got arrested at a bar for interfering with a law enforcement officer who was arresting a bar employee who served booze to minors? That Zimmerman, right? He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was something different here and it was the actions of Martin Yeah, right. Sure. That must be it. |
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says... On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:06:33 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 4/13/12 1:01 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:33:12 -0400, wrote: In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to take... How do you know for a fact that he even was looking into cars? Oh, right, you just automatically believe Zimmerman's side because FOX tells you to. I heard the police call, It is online dozens of places. You mean, of course, that you heard what Zimmerman told the police, right? That would be the same Zimmerman who beat his wife and got arrested at a bar for interfering with a law enforcement officer who was arresting a bar employee who served booze to minors? That Zimmerman, right? He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was something different here and it was the actions of Martin Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please, you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that "the actions of Martin" led to his death. |
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On Friday, April 13, 2012 3:14:26 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 8305837.15.1334340223620.JavaMail.geo-discussion- forums@vbgj4, says... On Friday, April 13, 2012 1:06:33 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 4/13/12 1:01 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:33:12 -0400, wrote: In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to take... How do you know for a fact that he even was looking into cars? Oh, right, you just automatically believe Zimmerman's side because FOX tells you to. I heard the police call, It is online dozens of places. You mean, of course, that you heard what Zimmerman told the police, right? That would be the same Zimmerman who beat his wife and got arrested at a bar for interfering with a law enforcement officer who was arresting a bar employee who served booze to minors? That Zimmerman, right? You mean what he told police about a 17 year old wanna-be gangbanger that was suspended from school for drugs and drug pipe, had possession of stolen jewelry and burgulary tools, was looking into cars evidently scouting for items to steal? That one? Now, where did you get the wanna-be gangbanger nonsense? As for the other ****, hearsay. Note once again, slowly, his school has a zero tolerance rule in place. He was never, ever charged with anything. The "burglary tool" you and FOX keep aluding to was a screwdriver. Therefore, I'll bet YOU are in possesion of "burglary tools" and should be shot to death? You have proof he wasn't a gangbanger? Cite please. You may want to read his twitter posts and see some facebook stuff that is out there. Some was saved before it was taken down. Other stuff is not hearsay, it is in evidence. A screwdriver can't be used for a burglary tool? When in your possession with a bag of jewelry that "a friend gave" him, that's pretty suspect, right? Why would he have those items in his packpack? If you really believe he was an innocent alter boy, I have a bridge you might like to buy. But surely you're just posing to be this gullible for argument's sake, right? Zimmerman shouldn't have shot him, but because of the law he may just walk. Either way, you're playing the part of the court jester. It's getting old. |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, wrote: In , says... The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking INTO cars. So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures. We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the phone went dead. We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school. Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool" in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool" screwdriver, just the graffiti. The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved. ... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That is a felony right there. Never heard or just aren't saying? Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school, zero tolerance, no lower limit) This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran into a bullet he couldn't dodge. With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked Zimmerman. No marks on him, nothing. No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured (bleeding from the nose and back of the head) I also don't buy this "child" thing. After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say) And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here. It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground. That is the legal test, "fear" Bout time somebody made a judgement based on the real evidence we have available, and not the distorted and edited versions from MSNBC and the other race baiters who got on to this case dishonestly... |
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On 4/13/2012 4:47 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, wrote: In , says... The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking INTO cars. So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures. We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the phone went dead. We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school. Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool" in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool" screwdriver, just the graffiti. The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved. ... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That is a felony right there. Never heard or just aren't saying? Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school, zero tolerance, no lower limit) This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran into a bullet he couldn't dodge. With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked Zimmerman. No marks on him, nothing. No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured (bleeding from the nose and back of the head) I also don't buy this "child" thing. After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say) And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here. It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground. That is the legal test, "fear" Bout time somebody made a judgement based on the real evidence we have available, and not the distorted and edited versions from MSNBC and the other race baiters who got on to this case dishonestly... Do you remember before Harry had a bunch of guns, he used to try to intimidate folks by calling out his height 3 or 4 times a day. Heavy boned fat guys like him shrink up fast once they reach their 60s. I'll bet he's right around 6 foot now. With that Elmer Fudd hair do he must be quite a site to behold. |
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On 4/13/12 4:47 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, wrote: In , says... The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking INTO cars. So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures. We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the phone went dead. We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school. Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool" in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool" screwdriver, just the graffiti. The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved. ... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That is a felony right there. Never heard or just aren't saying? Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school, zero tolerance, no lower limit) This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran into a bullet he couldn't dodge. With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked Zimmerman. No marks on him, nothing. No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured (bleeding from the nose and back of the head) I also don't buy this "child" thing. After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say) And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here. It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground. That is the legal test, "fear" Bout time somebody made a judgement based on the real evidence we have available, and not the distorted and edited versions from MSNBC and the other race baiters who got on to this case dishonestly... The evidence we have available *here* is that you are an uneducated, ignorant, hotheaded little ****. That's the judgment. |
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5.com says... On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 4/13/12 12:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:42:47 -0400, wrote: In , says... On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:37:34 -0400, wrote: On 4/12/2012 1:30 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 4/12/12 1:06 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: Whatever else is involved, there is no disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager who was doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The event was precipitated by Zimmerman. I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had shot an unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note). In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive. Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat. A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street. He's saying you would have to jump out the window and run. That doesn't square with your "blow their heads off" defense strategy. ;-) We also have to remember Harry went to quite an effort to get a Maryland carry permit, so he must think he was going to have to shoot someone on the street. I wonder how badly he would have to be getting beaten before he pulled his gat. Harry does not have a Maryland Concealed Carry Permit. Harry may have a Maryland Collectors Permit which allows him to purchase more than one hand gun a month. A Maryland Collectors Permit does not allow one to carry a concealed weapon/gun. Harry may have a Concealed Carry Permit from another state but those are not recognized in Maryland at this time. Don't believe everything Harry says. Maryland does have a concealed carry permit but they are very hard to get and they get reviewed fairly frequently to insure that you still have the "danger" that allowed you to get the permit in the first place. I do know a few licensed collectors up there, including machine guns but that is a whole different thing. It's easy to get a permit for an automatic weapon. I have no need or use for one, but I have friends who own a couple. As for the CCW permit, it is amazing what you can do with a good quality liberal arts edu-ma-ca-shun. So you do admit you lied/fabricated/ streched the truth, or what ever you want to call it? He will use hes "good quality liberal arts edu-ma-ca-shun" to redefine the definition of possess. |
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5.com says... On 4/13/2012 4:47 PM, JustWait wrote: On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, wrote: In , says... The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking INTO cars. So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures. We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the phone went dead. We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school. Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool" in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool" screwdriver, just the graffiti. The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved. ... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That is a felony right there. Never heard or just aren't saying? Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school, zero tolerance, no lower limit) This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran into a bullet he couldn't dodge. With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked Zimmerman. No marks on him, nothing. No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured (bleeding from the nose and back of the head) I also don't buy this "child" thing. After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say) And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here. It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground. That is the legal test, "fear" Bout time somebody made a judgement based on the real evidence we have available, and not the distorted and edited versions from MSNBC and the other race baiters who got on to this case dishonestly... Do you remember before Harry had a bunch of guns, he used to try to intimidate folks by calling out his height 3 or 4 times a day. Heavy boned fat guys like him shrink up fast once they reach their 60s. I'll bet he's right around 6 foot now. With that Elmer Fudd hair do he must be quite a site to behold. He most likely has that creepy stalker starting just above the ear comb- over. |
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On 4/13/2012 12:32 PM, wrote: Zimmerman shouldn't have shot him, but because of the law he may just walk. That much we can agree on. The question is why did Florida charge him with 2nd degree murder instead of something else? The standard for 2nd degree murder is much hard to get a conviction on than 3rd degree or manslaughter. |
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, says... wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:06:33 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 4/13/12 1:01 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:33:12 -0400, wrote: In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to take... How do you know for a fact that he even was looking into cars? Oh, right, you just automatically believe Zimmerman's side because FOX tells you to. I heard the police call, It is online dozens of places. You mean, of course, that you heard what Zimmerman told the police, right? That would be the same Zimmerman who beat his wife and got arrested at a bar for interfering with a law enforcement officer who was arresting a bar employee who served booze to minors? That Zimmerman, right? He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was something different here and it was the actions of Martin Yeah, right. Sure. That must be it. The proof is in the results. |
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On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote: The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't. I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear. Don't follow. The fact is that the dispatcher said what the dispatcher said. The policy and procedure manual for the 911 operators will be reviewed and analyzed. Your interpretation is your interpretation and it is made with the luxury of time and safety. |
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On 4/14/12 9:03 AM, BAR wrote:
In raweb.com, 5@ 5.com says... On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 4/13/12 12:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:42:47 -0400, wrote: In , says... On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:37:34 -0400, wrote: On 4/12/2012 1:30 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 4/12/12 1:06 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man wrote: Whatever else is involved, there is no disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager who was doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The event was precipitated by Zimmerman. I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had shot an unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note). In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive. Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat. A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street. He's saying you would have to jump out the window and run. That doesn't square with your "blow their heads off" defense strategy. ;-) We also have to remember Harry went to quite an effort to get a Maryland carry permit, so he must think he was going to have to shoot someone on the street. I wonder how badly he would have to be getting beaten before he pulled his gat. Harry does not have a Maryland Concealed Carry Permit. Harry may have a Maryland Collectors Permit which allows him to purchase more than one hand gun a month. A Maryland Collectors Permit does not allow one to carry a concealed weapon/gun. Harry may have a Concealed Carry Permit from another state but those are not recognized in Maryland at this time. Don't believe everything Harry says. Maryland does have a concealed carry permit but they are very hard to get and they get reviewed fairly frequently to insure that you still have the "danger" that allowed you to get the permit in the first place. I do know a few licensed collectors up there, including machine guns but that is a whole different thing. It's easy to get a permit for an automatic weapon. I have no need or use for one, but I have friends who own a couple. As for the CCW permit, it is amazing what you can do with a good quality liberal arts edu-ma-ca-shun. So you do admit you lied/fabricated/ streched the truth, or what ever you want to call it? He will use hes "good quality liberal arts edu-ma-ca-shun" to redefine the definition of possess. Your sour grapes are showing again. |
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On 4/13/2012 10:42 PM, thumper wrote:
On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote: The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't. I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear. Don't follow. And as far as we all know, he didn't... he turned to go back to his car and was jumped. |
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forums@vbth19, says... On Friday, April 13, 2012 3:14:26 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article 8305837.15.1334340223620.JavaMail.geo-discussion- forums@vbgj4, says... On Friday, April 13, 2012 1:06:33 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 4/13/12 1:01 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:33:12 -0400, wrote: In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to take... How do you know for a fact that he even was looking into cars? Oh, right, you just automatically believe Zimmerman's side because FOX tells you to. I heard the police call, It is online dozens of places. You mean, of course, that you heard what Zimmerman told the police, right? That would be the same Zimmerman who beat his wife and got arrested at a bar for interfering with a law enforcement officer who was arresting a bar employee who served booze to minors? That Zimmerman, right? You mean what he told police about a 17 year old wanna-be gangbanger that was suspended from school for drugs and drug pipe, had possession of stolen jewelry and burgulary tools, was looking into cars evidently scouting for items to steal? That one? Now, where did you get the wanna-be gangbanger nonsense? As for the other ****, hearsay. Note once again, slowly, his school has a zero tolerance rule in place. He was never, ever charged with anything. The "burglary tool" you and FOX keep aluding to was a screwdriver. Therefore, I'll bet YOU are in possesion of "burglary tools" and should be shot to death? You have proof he wasn't a gangbanger? Cite please. You may want to read his twitter posts and see some facebook stuff that is out there. Some was saved before it was taken down. YOU are the one who said he was one. So, you show ME. Other stuff is not hearsay, it is in evidence. A screwdriver can't be used for a burglary tool? When in your possession with a bag of jewelry that "a friend gave" him, that's pretty suspect, right? Why would he have those items in his packpack? What difference would it make if it WERE a burglary tool? Zimmerman knew nothing about that. If you really believe he was an innocent alter boy, I have a bridge you might like to buy. But surely you're just posing to be this gullible for argument's sake, right? Where did I say he was an innocent altar boy? I can't find it. But that still doesn't justify Zimmerman's actions. Zimmerman shouldn't have shot him, but because of the law he may just walk. Either way, you're playing the part of the court jester. It's getting old. What the hell are you blathering about? You on the other hand are hear acting like the kid should have gotten killed because he got in a little trouble at school. What about Zimmerman's past? You sure aren't holding him in a bad light are you? |
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On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, wrote: In , says... The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking INTO cars. So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures. We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the phone went dead. We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school. Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool" in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool" screwdriver, just the graffiti. The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved. ... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That is a felony right there. Never heard or just aren't saying? Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school, zero tolerance, no lower limit) This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran into a bullet he couldn't dodge. With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked Zimmerman. No marks on him, nothing. No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured (bleeding from the nose and back of the head) I also don't buy this "child" thing. After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say) And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here. It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground. That is the legal test, "fear" Bout time somebody made a judgement based on the real evidence we have available, and not the distorted and edited versions from MSNBC and the other race baiters who got on to this case dishonestly... Race baiters? YOU were the first one to bring up race. Oh, and you STILL have not told me how Sharpton and Jackson stand to "profit" from this. Cat got your tongue? And the victim's age makes no difference. |
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On 4/13/2012 10:42 PM, thumper wrote: On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote: The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't. I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear. Don't follow. And as far as we all know, he didn't... he turned to go back to his car and was jumped. How do you "know" that? |
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On 4/14/2012 9:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, wrote: In , says... The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking INTO cars. So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures. We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the phone went dead. We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school. Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool" in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool" screwdriver, just the graffiti. The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved. ... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That is a felony right there. Never heard or just aren't saying? Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school, zero tolerance, no lower limit) This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran into a bullet he couldn't dodge. With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked Zimmerman. No marks on him, nothing. No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured (bleeding from the nose and back of the head) I also don't buy this "child" thing. After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say) And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here. It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground. That is the legal test, "fear" Bout time somebody made a judgement based on the real evidence we have available, and not the distorted and edited versions from MSNBC and the other race baiters who got on to this case dishonestly... Race baiters? YOU were the first one to bring up race. Oh, and you STILL have not told me how Sharpton and Jackson stand to "profit" from this. Cat got your tongue? And the victim's age makes no difference. Haven't you learned yet. I am not going to deal with your hysterical fantasies... I could answer your questions all day long, but you still wouldn't get it, because you are either stupid, or you are dishonest. Either way, I have no tolerance for it... |
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On 4/14/2012 9:48 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 4/13/2012 10:42 PM, thumper wrote: On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote: The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't. I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear. Don't follow. And as far as we all know, he didn't... he turned to go back to his car and was jumped. How do you "know" that? Asked and answered, next!? |
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On 4/14/2012 9:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, wrote: In , says... The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking INTO cars. So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures. We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the phone went dead. We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school. Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool" in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool" screwdriver, just the graffiti. The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved. ... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That is a felony right there. Never heard or just aren't saying? Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school, zero tolerance, no lower limit) This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran into a bullet he couldn't dodge. With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked Zimmerman. No marks on him, nothing. No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured (bleeding from the nose and back of the head) I also don't buy this "child" thing. After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say) And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here. It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground. That is the legal test, "fear" Bout time somebody made a judgement based on the real evidence we have available, and not the distorted and edited versions from MSNBC and the other race baiters who got on to this case dishonestly... Race baiters? YOU were the first one to bring up race. Oh, and you STILL have not told me how Sharpton and Jackson stand to "profit" from this. Cat got your tongue? And the victim's age makes no difference. Haven't you learned yet. I am not going to deal with your hysterical fantasies... I could answer your questions all day long, but you still wouldn't get it, because you are either stupid, or you are dishonest. Either way, I have no tolerance for it... Yeah, right........ |
Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
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On 4/14/2012 9:48 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 4/13/2012 10:42 PM, thumper wrote: On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote: The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't. I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear. Don't follow. And as far as we all know, he didn't... he turned to go back to his car and was jumped. How do you "know" that? Asked and answered, next!? Cite? |
Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
On 4/14/12 7:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:11:55 -0400, wrote: In , says... On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:34:47 -0400, wrote: You haven't heard? In Florida there is this case right now where a vigilante, George Zimmerman, shot and killed a young mad, Treyvon Wilson because he was walking with a soft drink and a bag of Skittles. He claimed the kid was looking into cars at one point, but on his website changed his story to say the kid was looking into houses. That sounds horrible until you include the broken nose and the blood on the back of Zimmerman's head. We have not heard about a mark on Martin before he was shot or any dirt on the back of that white hoodie. There is no evidence of such. Why is it that you believe everything Zimmerman and his friends say automatically? Well there is the police report. From a department with a long history of racism. |
Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
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Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
On 4/14/12 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:21:20 -0400, X ` wrote: On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote: In , He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was something different here and it was the actions of Martin Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please, you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that "the actions of Martin" led to his death. If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to explain who he was and why he was there. After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and Martin was a stranger. The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked "what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.) Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose. I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is not really true. If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they will not have strangers walking around. Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking across your patio. If I lived in that area, I'd do a little community organizing and lead packs of cars and pedestrians through that gated community 24-7 for a few weeks. You would go to jail for trespassing. Good. That would be the point. Thousands of protesters jailed. A never-ending demonstration. Just like the good old days. |
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Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
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says... On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:16:21 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 4/14/12 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:21:20 -0400, X ` wrote: On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote: In , He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was something different here and it was the actions of Martin Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please, you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that "the actions of Martin" led to his death. If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to explain who he was and why he was there. After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and Martin was a stranger. The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked "what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.) Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose. I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is not really true. If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they will not have strangers walking around. Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking across your patio. If I lived in that area, I'd do a little community organizing and lead packs of cars and pedestrians through that gated community 24-7 for a few weeks. You would go to jail for trespassing. Good. That would be the point. Thousands of protesters jailed. A never-ending demonstration. Just like the good old days. Come on down, join the rabble Typical Krause, no respect for your private property. However, if you step foot on his private property be ready to answer a gun shot. |
Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
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On 4/14/2012 5:36 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:42:11 -0700, wrote: I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear. Don't follow. You have to take words at what they are, not what they might be. If they tell you that you don't "need" to eat all your peas, it doesn't mean you can't. Willful ignorance. The point was crystal clear. First Zimmerman was an uneducated idiot and now he is an English major at a mid-west liberal arts college. Make up your mind and stick with it. |
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Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
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Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
On 4/15/12 12:17 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:16:21 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 4/14/12 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:21:20 -0400, X ` wrote: On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote: In , He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was something different here and it was the actions of Martin Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please, you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that "the actions of Martin" led to his death. If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to explain who he was and why he was there. After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and Martin was a stranger. The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked "what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.) Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose. I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is not really true. If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they will not have strangers walking around. Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking across your patio. If I lived in that area, I'd do a little community organizing and lead packs of cars and pedestrians through that gated community 24-7 for a few weeks. You would go to jail for trespassing. Good. That would be the point. Thousands of protesters jailed. A never-ending demonstration. Just like the good old days. Come on down, join the rabble While I enjoyed living in Florida when we did, most of the state is far too backwards these days for me to even want to visit it much. |
Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
On 4/15/12 8:50 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:16:21 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 4/14/12 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:21:20 -0400, X ` wrote: On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote: In , He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was something different here and it was the actions of Martin Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please, you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that "the actions of Martin" led to his death. If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to explain who he was and why he was there. After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and Martin was a stranger. The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked "what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.) Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose. I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is not really true. If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they will not have strangers walking around. Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking across your patio. If I lived in that area, I'd do a little community organizing and lead packs of cars and pedestrians through that gated community 24-7 for a few weeks. You would go to jail for trespassing. Good. That would be the point. Thousands of protesters jailed. A never-ending demonstration. Just like the good old days. Come on down, join the rabble Typical Krause, no respect for your private property. However, if you step foot on his private property be ready to answer a gun shot. Oh? Have you been swapping bodily fluids with JustHate? I've never posted anything like that. |
Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
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says... On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:14:28 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote: In , He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was something different here and it was the actions of Martin Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please, you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that "the actions of Martin" led to his death. If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to explain who he was and why he was there. After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and Martin was a stranger. The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked "what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.) Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose. I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is not really true. If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they will not have strangers walking around. Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking across your patio. I wouldn't have said a word to Zimmerman. I would have just kept on walking to the house where a blood relative lived. If Martin had done that it would just be another gone on arrival call for the cops. Instead he chose to confront Zimmerman. Gee, the FOXites seem to think that the lefties are making judgement calls, but the above is just hearsay. You don't know the facts. If the property is that private, I wonder who is called when police or firemen are needed. They pay their taxes., They call the cops and fire department just like you would for your private property that you have said you would kill over. Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a loaded firearm." Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put out on CNN All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking on the sidewalk. |
Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
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says... On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:21:20 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote: In , He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was something different here and it was the actions of Martin Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please, you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that "the actions of Martin" led to his death. If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to explain who he was and why he was there. After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and Martin was a stranger. The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked "what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.) Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose. I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is not really true. If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they will not have strangers walking around. Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking across your patio. If I lived in that area, I'd do a little community organizing and lead packs of cars and pedestrians through that gated community 24-7 for a few weeks. You would go to jail for trespassing. Nope, they are public streets. |
Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
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Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
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says... On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:42:11 -0700, thumper wrote: On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote: The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't. I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear. Don't follow. You have to take words at what they are, not what they might be. If they tell you that you don't "need" to eat all your peas, it doesn't mean you can't. That really sounds more like a liability issue for the police. If they imply that he should follow someone and they get hurt, the police would be liable. I have been to a number of NW meetings with the cops and they tell us it sure would be helpful if we can watch the person until they get there but be careful. In fact that is really the only way they actually catch anyone. If they see the guy a block away, he can say "it wasn't me". Theoretically they need "reasonable suspicion" even to do a "Terry stop". You are getting as unhinged about this as Scotty! |
Zimmerman to be arrested and charged....
On 4/14/12 8:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:42:11 -0700, wrote: On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote: The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't. I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear. Don't follow. You have to take words at what they are, not what they might be. If they tell you that you don't "need" to eat all your peas, it doesn't mean you can't. That really sounds more like a liability issue for the police. If they imply that he should follow someone and they get hurt, the police would be liable. I have been to a number of NW meetings with the cops and they tell us it sure would be helpful if we can watch the person until they get there but be careful. In fact that is really the only way they actually catch anyone. If they see the guy a block away, he can say "it wasn't me". Theoretically they need "reasonable suspicion" even to do a "Terry stop". Gee, and I thought SW Florida was where all the "fancy" people lived. If I were you, I'd find a new neighborhood where the crime rate is lower and "neighborhood watch" is not such a big deal. |
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