On Apr 3, 11:14*am, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 10:14*pm, North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32*pm, Happy John wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44*pm, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.

Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e * 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). *Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean, instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/

Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.

What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%

Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.

1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.

Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.

Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.

I liked the size of the last generation of Highlander... just a bit
bigger than the current RAV4. (new ones are too big)
Our self service regular gas is $1.42 per liter... about $5.37 for
your US gallon. Pays to 'think small'.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 4/3/12 10:14 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:





On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.

Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean, instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/

Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.

What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%

Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.

1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.

Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.

Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.


Good idea.

Yeah, then he'd get rid of that girly car.

On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:29:49 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:

On Apr 3, 11:14*am, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 10:14*pm, North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32*pm, Happy John wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44*pm, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.

Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e * 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). *Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean, instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/

Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.

What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%

Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.

1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.

Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.

Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.

I liked the size of the last generation of Highlander... just a bit
bigger than the current RAV4. (new ones are too big)
Our self service regular gas is $1.42 per liter... about $5.37 for
your US gallon. Pays to 'think small'.

'Very true. But, if you're going to think small with the tower, you'd better think small with the
towed.

On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:30:56 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:14:31 -0400, Happy John
wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14*pm, North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32*pm, Happy John wrote:





On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44*pm, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.

Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e * 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). *Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean, instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/

Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.

What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%

Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.

1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.

Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.

Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.

Think about it: that only gives a realistic towing capacity of about
3100#. Boat, trailer, gas, usual crap onboard and if you are hauling
much more than a dingy, you may be overweight.

Ready to tow, our 18 foot fishing boat weighs in at that much!

Yup. That's about what my 18'er weighs in at. My wife tows it with her Highlander whenever we take
it on a camping trip. Does a good job. Don's talking about 2000lbs, well within the Highlander's
capability.

In article 20b915d3-d2c6-4eaa-9d7a-
,
says...

On Apr 3, 11:14*am, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 10:14*pm, North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32*pm, Happy John wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44*pm, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.

Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e * 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). *Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean, instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/

Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.

What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%

Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.

1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.

Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.

Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.

I liked the size of the last generation of Highlander... just a bit
bigger than the current RAV4. (new ones are too big)
Our self service regular gas is $1.42 per liter... about $5.37 for
your US gallon. Pays to 'think small'.

It's going to be that way here if it keeps going.

On 4/3/12 10:22 AM, North Star wrote:
On Apr 3, 11:05 am, Wayne wrote:
On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 05:54:42 -0700 (PDT), North Star

wrote:
That's what I'm thinking, too. A full size Chevy 1500 4X4 will tow
10,000# and still get an unloaded 22 MPG on the Hwy.

Then you can get a real boat, too.

That seems like a big expense for a retired working class hero who
enjoys a short 4-5 month boating season..

===

A couple of thoughts:

1. A 4WD pickup truck gets through snow better than just about
anything else on the road.

2. You could get a cuddy cabin runabout in the 24 ft range that would
keep you relatively warm and dry in a chop, and give you a fairly
decent ride.

3. With a proper tow vehicle you could go south to Florida in the
winter.

Would I have to worry about getting 'shot' if I dare look at someone's
car?
True story... a working mate of my wife was visiting friends in
Florida. The host insisted that the Halifax lady's boyfriend 'borrow'
his handgun if he planned on driving around on his own.


Don't look at anyone's car...especially the Little Toad's in Connecticut.

On 4/3/12 10:22 AM, North Star wrote:
On Apr 3, 11:05 am, Wayne wrote:
On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 05:54:42 -0700 (PDT), North Star

wrote:
That's what I'm thinking, too. A full size Chevy 1500 4X4 will tow
10,000# and still get an unloaded 22 MPG on the Hwy.

Then you can get a real boat, too.

That seems like a big expense for a retired working class hero who
enjoys a short 4-5 month boating season..

===

A couple of thoughts:

1. A 4WD pickup truck gets through snow better than just about
anything else on the road.

2. You could get a cuddy cabin runabout in the 24 ft range that would
keep you relatively warm and dry in a chop, and give you a fairly
decent ride.

3. With a proper tow vehicle you could go south to Florida in the
winter.

Would I have to worry about getting 'shot' if I dare look at someone's
car?
True story... a working mate of my wife was visiting friends in
Florida. The host insisted that the Halifax lady's boyfriend 'borrow'
his handgun if he planned on driving around on his own.


I wouldn't buy a vehicle that burns a dollar's more fuel than you need
for everyday vehicle use. **** the oil companies.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 4/3/12 10:22 AM, North Star wrote:
On Apr 3, 11:05 am, Wayne wrote:
On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 05:54:42 -0700 (PDT), North Star

wrote:
That's what I'm thinking, too. A full size Chevy 1500 4X4 will tow
10,000# and still get an unloaded 22 MPG on the Hwy.

Then you can get a real boat, too.

That seems like a big expense for a retired working class hero who
enjoys a short 4-5 month boating season..

===

A couple of thoughts:

1. A 4WD pickup truck gets through snow better than just about
anything else on the road.

2. You could get a cuddy cabin runabout in the 24 ft range that would
keep you relatively warm and dry in a chop, and give you a fairly
decent ride.

3. With a proper tow vehicle you could go south to Florida in the
winter.

Would I have to worry about getting 'shot' if I dare look at someone's
car?
True story... a working mate of my wife was visiting friends in
Florida. The host insisted that the Halifax lady's boyfriend 'borrow'
his handgun if he planned on driving around on his own.


I wouldn't buy a vehicle that burns a dollar's more fuel than you need
for everyday vehicle use. **** the oil companies.

If you really want to **** the oil companies sell all of your gas using
cars, appliances, etc. Didn't you claim to recently buy a much bigger
boat?

On 02/04/2012 7:22 PM, North Star wrote:
On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:





On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.

Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean, instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/

Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.

What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%

Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.

1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.

Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.

So is the excuse to be dumb like the others?

Buy an F150....

If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.

That is why I say the vehicle should do twice the boat size. By the
time you get gear like oars, anchors, fuel, rods, all the other stuff
including trolling motors with say 4 adults in the vehicle you could
easily push 80%.

Plus, having the vehicle capacity not being pushed, you are more likely
to see another day of fishing than if you roll the rig in front of a
semi from tail pull....

Best not to screw around.
--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and
other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
for it leave, they can all share having nothing.

On 03/04/2012 6:56 AM, North Star wrote:
On Apr 3, 9:14 am, wrote:
In ,
says...







On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North wrote:

I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.

Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean, instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/

Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.

Let him go, he already knows the results of bad Karma!

At least I haven't been run out of my home province by family members,
kevin.

Disowned then?

Running at 150% of ratings is retarded stupid.
--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and
other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
for it leave, they can all share having nothing.