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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/6/2012 3:28 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In raweb.com, 5@ 5.com says... On 3/6/2012 2:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:53:26 -0500, wrote: In , says... On 3/6/2012 9:11 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:06:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 7:43 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/5/2012 7:26 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. What is Plum talking about with the "Fox tell me" crap.. The desperate whining of someone with no platform.. "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work...  More of the undereducated trashing those with educations. Apparently, you've never worked with an engineer that has no practical experience (or common sense). Note to Universe: Being Highly Qualified (which, in today's PC world means having papers) does NOT make one competent. But it doesn't necessarily make them INcompetent as Scotty is suggesting. I am so sick of you lying about what I said or meant... You make a good democrat...plonk again.. Gee, you almost lasted 12 hours! YOU posted this: "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work... Are you saying you don't believe it then? The real world does not exist on paper or in a CAD package. Engineers, in way too large a percentage, live in their paper and CAD virtual world and simply can't fathom something that they could draw not working in the real world. There is no validity to things that don't work in the real world Cite: feel free to cite me, if you wish. I am speaking from personal experience. Simply not true. I've been in the industry all of my life, from being a laborer to an engineer. Which specific industry are you in? Construction. You assemble things that architechs design? -- O M G |
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... On 3/6/2012 3:28 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In raweb.com, 5@ 5.com says... On 3/6/2012 2:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:53:26 -0500, wrote: In , says... On 3/6/2012 9:11 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:06:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 7:43 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/5/2012 7:26 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. What is Plum talking about with the "Fox tell me" crap.. The desperate whining of someone with no platform.. "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work... More of the undereducated trashing those with educations. Apparently, you've never worked with an engineer that has no practical experience (or common sense). Note to Universe: Being Highly Qualified (which, in today's PC world means having papers) does NOT make one competent. But it doesn't necessarily make them INcompetent as Scotty is suggesting. I am so sick of you lying about what I said or meant... You make a good democrat...plonk again.. Gee, you almost lasted 12 hours! YOU posted this: "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work... Are you saying you don't believe it then? The real world does not exist on paper or in a CAD package. Engineers, in way too large a percentage, live in their paper and CAD virtual world and simply can't fathom something that they could draw not working in the real world. There is no validity to things that don't work in the real world Cite: feel free to cite me, if you wish. I am speaking from personal experience. Simply not true. I've been in the industry all of my life, from being a laborer to an engineer. Which specific industry are you in? Construction. You assemble things that architechs design? No. |
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