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says... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. |
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... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! |
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On 2/23/2012 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! You better believe it. Something like 34% of the nation is obese and almost literally each and every one of them WILL have health problems related to it before they die. Fat people seem to get a pass even though they are probably a lot more of a drain on society than smokers... |
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:18:55 -0800, "Califbill" wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! Ain't that the truth! |
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On 2/23/2012 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! You better believe it. Something like 34% of the nation is obese and almost literally each and every one of them WILL have health problems related to it before they die. Fat people seem to get a pass even though they are probably a lot more of a drain on society than smokers... Smoke away! Get your kids hooked on them too! Someone else's obesity doesn't harm your health. Someone else's smoke does. It's that simple. |
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says... In article , says... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults If you live or work with a smoker, be aware that their habit is having an impact on your health: The CDC reports that breathing secondhand smoke has an instant effect on a person's cardiovascular system. Even a slight exposure can damage the blood vessels and cause blood platelets to become stickier. Over time, these changes can result in heart disease and heart attacks. People regularly exposed to secondhand smoke have a 20 to 30% greater chance of developing lung cancer than those who are not exposed as often. Cigarette smoke contains around 70 cancer-causing chemicals including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic, ammonia, and hydrogen cyanide. Even brief exposure can damage your body cells leaving them prone to cancerous changes. The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Children The effects of secondhand smoke can be long-lasting for our littlest ones: According to the Office of the Surgeon General, babies living in a home where a parent smokes are at a higher risk of sudden infant death syndrome. It is believed that the chemicals in the smoke interfere with the way the brain regulates breathing. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that children of all ages who are constantly exposed to secondhand smoke are more likely to suffer from asthma, respiratory problems such as pneumonia and bronchitis, and middle ear infections. Children who grow up around smokers are likely to have smaller lungs and decreased lung function compared to those who come from non-smoking homes http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat...ondhand_smoke/ health_effects/ Exposure to secondhand smoke has immediate adverse effects on the cardiovascular system and can cause coronary heart disease.1,3 ?Secondhand smoke causes an estimated 46,000 premature deaths from heart disease each year in the United States among nonsmokers.4 ?Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or at work increase their risk of developing heart disease by 25?30%. Light 'em up, everybody! Harm your spouse, harm your children, harm me and my children because you think you enjoy a stinking filthy habit. I've been there, and am damned glad I had the stones to quit. If not for me, for my family. |
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On 2/23/12 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! It took me about a minute to google up reliable cites on the damage caused by second hand smoke. Frankly, your post reminds me of the shaky claims cigarette companies made decades ago when they were trying to deny their products caused lung cancer. I wouldn't object to extra and heavy taxes on fast food junk food. |
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says... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my children's health compromised. http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke |
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:25:08 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
I'm not offended by someone smoking === I am. As a reformed 3 pack a day guy, I find the smell highly offensive. One of my former colleagues lost his wife to lung cancer when she was in her 50s, never having smoked a day in her life. She had spent a lot of time in offices with a lot of smokers around her however. |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article , says... On 2/23/2012 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! You better believe it. Something like 34% of the nation is obese and almost literally each and every one of them WILL have health problems related to it before they die. Fat people seem to get a pass even though they are probably a lot more of a drain on society than smokers... Smoke away! Get your kids hooked on them too! Someone else's obesity doesn't harm your health. Someone else's smoke does. It's that simple. --------------------------------------- Sure that obesity harms my health. My financial health. And how many people are harmed by 2nd hand smoke? Most public smoking is prohibited, so mostly smokers hurt their families, and maybe both parents smoke. Not good for the kid, but look how many obese parents are feeding their kids the same crab that makes the parents obese. Probably more than smokers hurting their offspring. Admitted smoking is a nasty habit, but so are other habits. But we are supposed to be the land of the free. Free to screw yourself up should be one of the main freedoms. |
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On 2/23/12 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! It took me about a minute to google up reliable cites on the damage caused by second hand smoke. Frankly, your post reminds me of the shaky claims cigarette companies made decades ago when they were trying to deny their products caused lung cancer. I wouldn't object to extra and heavy taxes on fast food junk food. -------------------------------------- It must be true, I read it on the internet. Most 2nd hand claims are very nebulas. My mother who died a year ago at almost 96 said lots of people called them "Cancer Sticks" even in her youth. Common sense should tell you they are not any good for you, but as Voltaire said, "common sense is not so common". The warning has been on the side of the packs for at least 35 years. Anyone claiming damage now, should be tossed from court for stupidity. |
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On 2/24/2012 5:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 2/23/2012 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! You better believe it. Something like 34% of the nation is obese and almost literally each and every one of them WILL have health problems related to it before they die. Fat people seem to get a pass even though they are probably a lot more of a drain on society than smokers... Smoke away! Get your kids hooked on them too! Someone else's obesity doesn't harm your health. Someone else's smoke does. It's that simple. --------------------------------------- Sure that obesity harms my health. My financial health. And how many people are harmed by 2nd hand smoke? Most public smoking is prohibited, so mostly smokers hurt their families, and maybe both parents smoke. Not good for the kid, but look how many obese parents are feeding their kids the same crab that makes the parents obese. Probably more than smokers hurting their offspring. Admitted smoking is a nasty habit, but so are other habits. But we are supposed to be the land of the free. Free to screw yourself up should be one of the main freedoms. With a little effort you can minimize the effects of smoking from your family. It's not perfect, but the first thing we did when we moved into this house was remove one window in the Office and replace it with a built in vent fan. My wife only smokes(ed) in the office and the negative pressure even kept the smell from my dad's mormon (non smokers) friends in the very next room over, separated by a door... Our house never smelled like smoke. We had a similar setup upstairs in the office in Essex. BTW, neither I nor any of our three children smoke cigarettes, and none of them are obese either.. I am a few pounds heavier than I should be. |
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On 2/24/12 5:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 2/23/12 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! It took me about a minute to google up reliable cites on the damage caused by second hand smoke. Frankly, your post reminds me of the shaky claims cigarette companies made decades ago when they were trying to deny their products caused lung cancer. I wouldn't object to extra and heavy taxes on fast food junk food. -------------------------------------- It must be true, I read it on the internet. Most 2nd hand claims are very nebulas. My mother who died a year ago at almost 96 said lots of people called them "Cancer Sticks" even in her youth. Common sense should tell you they are not any good for you, but as Voltaire said, "common sense is not so common". The warning has been on the side of the packs for at least 35 years. Anyone claiming damage now, should be tossed from court for stupidity. It helps to know how to do reliable research via Google. I haven't read "most" claims about second-hand smoke, but I have read some from reliable medical and scientific sources. |
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says... In article , says... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my children's health compromised. http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand smoke from cigarettes kills people? |
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On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... In , says... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote: In , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my children's health compromised. http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand smoke from cigarettes kills people? .... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road... Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts... |
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On 2/25/2012 12:32 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:25:08 -0500, wrote: In , says... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote: In , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my children's health compromised. http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke "Both mainstream and SHS contain about 20 chemicals that, in high concentrations, cause breast cancer in rodents" The operative words are "High concentrations" A whiff of cigarette smoke is no more dangerous than a whiff of diesel smoke or that blue cloud coming from a 2 stroke outboard. The flaw in all of these studies is they do not specify the concentration that is dangerous. Just smelling something does not mean the concentration will hurt you. That is true of EVERY chemical OSHA regulates. That's because the regulations on tobacco are because of feelings, not facts like all of the other regulated substances. |
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On 2/24/12 12:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote: In , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. You're working awfully hard to rationalize the filthy, offensive habit of smoking. |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 2/23/2012 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! You better believe it. Something like 34% of the nation is obese and almost literally each and every one of them WILL have health problems related to it before they die. Fat people seem to get a pass even though they are probably a lot more of a drain on society than smokers... Smoke away! Get your kids hooked on them too! Someone else's obesity doesn't harm your health. Someone else's smoke does. It's that simple. --------------------------------------- Sure that obesity harms my health. My financial health. And how many people are harmed by 2nd hand smoke? Most public smoking is prohibited, so mostly smokers hurt their families, and maybe both parents smoke. Not good for the kid, but look how many obese parents are feeding their kids the same crab that makes the parents obese. Probably more than smokers hurting their offspring. Admitted smoking is a nasty habit, but so are other habits. But we are supposed to be the land of the free. Free to screw yourself up should be one of the main freedoms. Once again. Smoking harms others, not just the smoker. THAT is the crime here. And for someone to say that they have a right to harm others is stupid. I could care less if somebody wants to kill themselves slowly with smoke. The trouble is when they are harming others. And they do. |
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On 2/24/2012 5:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 2/23/2012 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! You better believe it. Something like 34% of the nation is obese and almost literally each and every one of them WILL have health problems related to it before they die. Fat people seem to get a pass even though they are probably a lot more of a drain on society than smokers... Smoke away! Get your kids hooked on them too! Someone else's obesity doesn't harm your health. Someone else's smoke does. It's that simple. --------------------------------------- Sure that obesity harms my health. My financial health. And how many people are harmed by 2nd hand smoke? Most public smoking is prohibited, so mostly smokers hurt their families, and maybe both parents smoke. Not good for the kid, but look how many obese parents are feeding their kids the same crab that makes the parents obese. Probably more than smokers hurting their offspring. Admitted smoking is a nasty habit, but so are other habits. But we are supposed to be the land of the free. Free to screw yourself up should be one of the main freedoms. With a little effort you can minimize the effects of smoking from your family. It's not perfect, but the first thing we did when we moved into this house was remove one window in the Office and replace it with a built in vent fan. My wife only smokes(ed) in the office and the negative pressure even kept the smell from my dad's mormon (non smokers) friends in the very next room over, separated by a door... Our house never smelled like smoke. We had a similar setup upstairs in the office in Essex. BTW, neither I nor any of our three children smoke cigarettes, and none of them are obese either.. I am a few pounds heavier than I should be. Well, you should get your kids to smoking, it's such a great habit! |
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On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote: In , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my children's health compromised. http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand smoke from cigarettes kills people? ... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road... Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts... Yes, we get it, killing yourself and your loved ones, let alone other innocent people, slowly by smoking is cool, and a great thing to do. |
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On 2/25/2012 12:32 AM, wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:25:08 -0500, wrote: In , says... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote: In , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my children's health compromised. http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke "Both mainstream and SHS contain about 20 chemicals that, in high concentrations, cause breast cancer in rodents" The operative words are "High concentrations" A whiff of cigarette smoke is no more dangerous than a whiff of diesel smoke or that blue cloud coming from a 2 stroke outboard. The flaw in all of these studies is they do not specify the concentration that is dangerous. Just smelling something does not mean the concentration will hurt you. That is true of EVERY chemical OSHA regulates. That's because the regulations on tobacco are because of feelings, not facts like all of the other regulated substances. Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You should get all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool. |
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On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote: In , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my children's health compromised. http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand smoke from cigarettes kills people? ... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road... Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts... Genetics has a lot to do with how people look. How big their head is, how big their ass is, how big their belly is, what length their torso is, how big their nose is, how big their ears are. I don't think enough is known about the genetics of obesity or addiction. |
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:37:24 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote: In , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my children's health compromised. http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand smoke from cigarettes kills people? ... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road... Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts... Genetics has a lot to do with how people look. How big their head is, how big their ass is, how big their belly is, what length their torso is, how big their nose is, how big their ears are. I don't think enough is known about the genetics of obesity or addiction. There is enough known about obesity to say exercise and fewer calories can have a big effect thereon! Addiction is a bitch, but it's highly susceptive to will power - with help as needed. Without the will power, no amount of help will work. |
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On 2/25/2012 9:37 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote: In , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my children's health compromised. http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand smoke from cigarettes kills people? ... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road... Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts... Genetics has a lot to do with how people look. How big their head is, how big their ass is, how big their belly is, what length their torso is, how big their nose is, how big their ears are. I don't think enough is known about the genetics of obesity or addiction. It's not like we need a panel or a study you know... |
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:38:01 -0500, JustWait
wrote: That's because the regulations on tobacco are because of feelings, not facts like all of the other regulated substances. === That's nonsense, and with all due respect, you should know better. |
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On 2/25/2012 9:37 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote: In , says... Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke. http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates? The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of people who can be discriminated against with impunity. If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far bigger problem.. Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my children's health compromised. http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand smoke from cigarettes kills people? ... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road... Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts... Genetics has a lot to do with how people look. How big their head is, how big their ass is, how big their belly is, what length their torso is, how big their nose is, how big their ears are. I don't think enough is known about the genetics of obesity or addiction. It's not like we need a panel or a study you know... Yeah, it's just better to stick your head in the sand as opposed to finding knowledge. |
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:56:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You should get all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool. I don't smoke, nor does anyone in my family but that does not make me want to engage in irrational discrimination against those who do. There are "known carcinogens" in virtually everything around us. The issue is in the concentration, not the mere fact it is there. All of the anti smokers here have admitted it is the smell that offends them and they invent the danger based on that. It is like those people who say they are "allergic" to perfume and after shave simply because they don't like the smell. It has gotten to the point that people complain if they just see people smoking, too far away to even smell the smoke. I believe it is because they fear they will start smoking again if they are around tobacco, not that there is any real danger present if they had an ounce of will power. What is irrational about me not wanting to die because of the habits of others? Again, I could care less if someone is stupid enough to pump toxins into their body. But when they harm me or my family, that's different. JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Is he discrimenating against her? Yes, the stench IS a real problem, but my family's health is the real issue here. You should stay away from his house,then. |
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says... In article , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You should get all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool. I don't smoke, nor does anyone in my family but that does not make me want to engage in irrational discrimination against those who do. There are "known carcinogens" in virtually everything around us. The issue is in the concentration, not the mere fact it is there. All of the anti smokers here have admitted it is the smell that offends them and they invent the danger based on that. It is like those people who say they are "allergic" to perfume and after shave simply because they don't like the smell. It has gotten to the point that people complain if they just see people smoking, too far away to even smell the smoke. I believe it is because they fear they will start smoking again if they are around tobacco, not that there is any real danger present if they had an ounce of will power. What is irrational about me not wanting to die because of the habits of others? Again, I could care less if someone is stupid enough to pump toxins into their body. But when they harm me or my family, that's different. JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Is he discrimenating against her? Yes, the stench IS a real problem, but my family's health is the real issue here. There is nothing irrational about your fears, they are your fears and your fears alone. What you don't have is the right to foist your irrationality and fears upon the rest of society. You are free to live on your property and live your irrational and fear filled life all alone without interference from anyone. |
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On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context made up bull****.. Just sayin'... |
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On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context made up bull****.. Just sayin'... Why do you care what iBoater or anyone else in the newsgroup says. You take these assholes too seriously. We are all here for entertainment purposes. |
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In article ,
says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:56:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You should get all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool. I don't smoke, nor does anyone in my family but that does not make me want to engage in irrational discrimination against those who do. There are "known carcinogens" in virtually everything around us. The issue is in the concentration, not the mere fact it is there. All of the anti smokers here have admitted it is the smell that offends them and they invent the danger based on that. It is like those people who say they are "allergic" to perfume and after shave simply because they don't like the smell. It has gotten to the point that people complain if they just see people smoking, too far away to even smell the smoke. I believe it is because they fear they will start smoking again if they are around tobacco, not that there is any real danger present if they had an ounce of will power. What is irrational about me not wanting to die because of the habits of others? Again, I could care less if someone is stupid enough to pump toxins into their body. But when they harm me or my family, that's different. JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Is he discrimenating against her? Yes, the stench IS a real problem, but my family's health is the real issue here. You should stay away from his house,then. His wife isn't the only one who smokes. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You should get all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool. I don't smoke, nor does anyone in my family but that does not make me want to engage in irrational discrimination against those who do. There are "known carcinogens" in virtually everything around us. The issue is in the concentration, not the mere fact it is there. All of the anti smokers here have admitted it is the smell that offends them and they invent the danger based on that. It is like those people who say they are "allergic" to perfume and after shave simply because they don't like the smell. It has gotten to the point that people complain if they just see people smoking, too far away to even smell the smoke. I believe it is because they fear they will start smoking again if they are around tobacco, not that there is any real danger present if they had an ounce of will power. What is irrational about me not wanting to die because of the habits of others? Again, I could care less if someone is stupid enough to pump toxins into their body. But when they harm me or my family, that's different. JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Is he discrimenating against her? Yes, the stench IS a real problem, but my family's health is the real issue here. There is nothing irrational about your fears, they are your fears and your fears alone. What you don't have is the right to foist your irrationality and fears upon the rest of society. You are free to live on your property and live your irrational and fear filled life all alone without interference from anyone. Again, it WOULD be irrational for me to tell someone not to smoke because they are harming themselves. I don't care how much someone smokes. Go ahead, get lung cancer, throat cancer, stomach cancer. I don't care. But smoking goes way beyond that, in that it directly harms others. I don't have a "fear filled life". But the fact remains, second hand smoke causes disease and death in innocent bystanders. |
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On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context made up bull****.. Just sayin'... Really? Did you not say that you have an "office" with an exhaust fan that produces "negative pressure" so that your wife can smoke in there without affecting you and the rest of your family? Want to bet? Now, show me just where I've used "conjecture, hysterics, and out of context made up bull****." I'll bet you can't. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context made up bull****.. Just sayin'... Why do you care what iBoater or anyone else in the newsgroup says. You take these assholes too seriously. We are all here for entertainment purposes. Damned right, he should go out and smoke his brains out, it's all right, smoking isn't bad for you. I hope he gets his kids hooked on 'em too! |
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On 2/25/2012 2:48 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote: JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in one room that has an exhaust fan. Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context made up bull****.. Just sayin'... Why do you care what iBoater or anyone else in the newsgroup says. You take these assholes too seriously. We are all here for entertainment purposes. Just don't think is cricket to make up stories about others family life to make a point... But I just wanted to make the point that I deny everything and anything he says about the way we live our lives here... |
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