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On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X ` wrote: I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale of the damned things. If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce. That does not seem to be limiting the market. The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for smoking cigarettes. So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers I can tell you, you are wrong... |
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On 2/28/12 5:34 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X ` wrote: I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale of the damned things. If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce. That does not seem to be limiting the market. The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for smoking cigarettes. So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers I can tell you, you are wrong... I'm sure you know a lot more about druggies than I do. I only have one buddy who smokes a joint from time to time. |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:42:40 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: On 2/28/12 5:34 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X ` wrote: I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale of the damned things. If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce. That does not seem to be limiting the market. The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for smoking cigarettes. So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers I can tell you, you are wrong... I'm sure you know a lot more about druggies than I do. I only have one buddy who smokes a joint from time to time. Who would know more about drug and alcahol abuse than the learned spouse of a doctoral candidate who did her dissitation on the very subject. Just saying. |
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says... On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X ` wrote: I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale of the damned things. If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce. That does not seem to be limiting the market. The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for smoking cigarettes. Please enlighten us. |
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says... On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:42:40 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 5:34 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X ` wrote: I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale of the damned things. If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce. That does not seem to be limiting the market. The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for smoking cigarettes. So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers I can tell you, you are wrong... I'm sure you know a lot more about druggies than I do. I only have one buddy who smokes a joint from time to time. Who would know more about drug and alcahol abuse than the learned spouse of a doctoral candidate who did her dissitation on the very subject. Just saying. Somebody should have told her she didn't have to marry one to understand the deficiencies in a drug and alcohol abuser. |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:03:37 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/27/12 4:57 PM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:30:51 -0500, X ` wrote: On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. Hate to interrupt, but you gotta admit he got you with that question! The conclusions he stated regarding the incorrect conclusions, etc, of research doesn't require special qualifications. An hour or two of 60 Minutes once in a while will demonstrate same. I don't see how he "got" me. I'm smart enough and educated enough to know I don't have the education and knowledge to reasonably dispute published, peer-reviewed research in medical/scientific areas. I have two college degrees; BAR has none. I don't dispute that from time to time there have been problems with research, but that doesn't mean I am going to accept the Luddite view of the world presented by Fox News and the other non-believers in science. Harry, he made no mention of trying to 'dispute' anything. He asked where it was. Amen, that's all she wrote. 60 Minutes is not a Fox News program. |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:04:49 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/27/12 4:59 PM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:44:04 -0500, X ` wrote: On 2/26/12 11:36 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. And that might be relevant if you could show him some "peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications". Why? He doesn't have the medical/scientific qualifications to judge it. I don't, and I have two university degrees. He didn't say he wanted to judge it. He asked where it was. He obviously would like to see it. If one has a smattering of statistics under their belt, much legitimate medical research is understandable - especially the conclusions. He obviously would like someone to do his homework for him. I posted a long, long lists of mostly scientifically acceptable URLs. Not to start anything, but what the hell is a 'scientifically acceptable URL'? |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:33:12 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/27/12 8:24 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 2/26/12 10:25 PM, BAR wrote: In b.com, says... On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:20:09 -0500, wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? He learned English real good in Kansas. That's gotta count fer sumpin. I am curious as to why the great Harry Krause went to a school out in the middle of nowhere. Couldn't he get into any of the local schools of higher learning? It is also interesting that he was only able to secure a job at a newspaper with little to no significance. Funny too that he never got another newspaper job. He did go into union organizing, not much needed there but the ability to rabble rouse. You should refocus your curiosity on the academic incompetence that kept you out of even an open enrollment two year community college. As for the Kansas City Star, when I worked there it was considered one of the 10 best newspapers in the United States. Some years later, the newsroom employees who owned the paper sold it off to a conglomerate and it began its downward slide, as virtually all formerly independent newspapers do once they are acquired. I never actually applied for a newspaper or news job anywhere. During a journalism honorary society induction ceremony in Kansas City sponsored by the Kansas City Star, at which everyone got roaring drunk, I was asked by the then managing editor of the morning edition if I wanted a summer job. I stopped by the paper the next day and the managing editor hired me on the spot, without an application or resume. Turns out one of my professors at school knew the managing editor and had recommended I be hired for the summer job. At the end of the summer, just before I started my senior year, the managing editor asked me if I thought I could finish up school and work on the paper. He got the city editor to jiggle schedules so I was able to take my remaining classes in the AM and through mid-day and drive my derelict car to the paper five late afternoons a week. After some years at the Kansas City, I was recruited by The Associated Press at the behest of Harry F. Rosenthal, a very well known senior AP reported and editor, and David Halberstam, an author. I was flown to New York and interviewed directly by Keith Fuller of the AP and Wes Gallagher, who at that time was the AP's general manager. While with the AP, I was promoted to Correspondent in Charge of smaller bureaus in three states, and covered first-hand two horrific disasters, one involving a bridge and the other a huge coal mine explosion. On the basis of that work, I was invited to New York again and offered a TV news job at ABC News. I wasn't that interested, but I did get to meet Jimmy Breslin at ABC. His last newspaper gig went down the drain with the collapse of the World Journal Tribune. Breslin took me to an "expensive" lunch at his favorite hot dog stand, where we became friends after both of us dripped mustard on our shirts. So, you see, I never sought a newspaper job, not my first one and not my last "news" job. I did OK in the news biz for a guy with a B.A. in English and an M.A. in English and, of course, along the way, I managed to take a number of university level science and math classes. But even with that formal education in my background, I don't feel comfortable predicting what the fuel will be for cars two decades from now. So, Bertie, have you ever taken and passed any university-level courses in math or science? Didn't think so. Why do you feel compelled to open up and explain your entire professional life to a guy on the Internet whom you have declared many times is an idiot and not worth your time. I am on schedule to retire in 8 years, prior to reaching the age of 60. Accomplished without a pension from any company or relying upon social security. I think I have done pretty well for myself. Pretty well for an uneducated former jar-head. Why? Because you make it so easy. Why the personal insults? |
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On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote:
In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... |
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On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. -- http://tinyurl.com/7mhuxdj |
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On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... |
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On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? -- http://tinyurl.com/7mhuxdj |
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On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it got to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) |
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On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :) -- http://tinyurl.com/7mhuxdj |
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On 2/28/12 11:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:35:06 -0500, X ` Man wrote: Cigarette smoke is not one of those trade-off thingies you like so much. It's like Hitler...there's no reason to compromise about it...it's all bad and *anything* that can be done to eliminate cigarettes is a good thing. We just have to hope the environmental weenies do not use second hand smoke as a precedent (infinitesimally small trace amounts of a chemical) to come after our BOATS (just to stay on topic). No matter how clean burning your engine is, there are still trace amounts of all sorts of chemicals in the exhaust. They could even cite the fiberglass that out gases for years or the paints and preservatives used on wood. Bottom paint is a super fund site compared to SHS. Somehow I bet you think these are all harmless because they meet some threshold limit value.. I can't do much more than giggle at your attempts to build your case here. Sorry. It is simply because you refuse to accept your prejudice. Nah. The general disdain for cigarettes isn't going to portmanteau into general disdain for boats. -- http://tinyurl.com/7mhuxdj |
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On 2/29/2012 6:35 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:35:06 -0500, X ` Man wrote: Cigarette smoke is not one of those trade-off thingies you like so much. It's like Hitler...there's no reason to compromise about it...it's all bad and *anything* that can be done to eliminate cigarettes is a good thing. We just have to hope the environmental weenies do not use second hand smoke as a precedent (infinitesimally small trace amounts of a chemical) to come after our BOATS (just to stay on topic). No matter how clean burning your engine is, there are still trace amounts of all sorts of chemicals in the exhaust. They could even cite the fiberglass that out gases for years or the paints and preservatives used on wood. Bottom paint is a super fund site compared to SHS. Somehow I bet you think these are all harmless because they meet some threshold limit value.. I can't do much more than giggle at your attempts to build your case here. Sorry. It is simply because you refuse to accept your prejudice. Nah. The general disdain for cigarettes isn't going to portmanteau into general disdain for boats. Boats, motorcyles, skateboards, certain animals... When the enviro-nazis decide they can't afford a toy but want to go to the beach, woods, or mountains anyway... they go after anybody who is having more fun than them. They start with "pollution" first, then go to noise, then traffic, then the EPA, then the Historical society... Until they get you out of their way so they can enjoy the area to themselves, exactly the way they feel it should be used... They are already after boats, just about anywhere they decide to build a house. They want anything out of the woods they don't have. They move in next to farms that have been there for generations and try to shut them down.... Yup, they are already after boats. Just do drive yours inland down in Florida, or even here on the CT River... |
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On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :) Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax, I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap... |
Update on ecigs...
In article , says...
On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X ` wrote: I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale of the damned things. If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce. That does not seem to be limiting the market. The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for smoking cigarettes. So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers I can tell you, you are wrong... Really? Which is it, then, do cigarette smokers smoke to get high, or do pot smokers smoke to not get high? |
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In article ,
says... In article , dump-on- says... On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X ` wrote: I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale of the damned things. If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce. That does not seem to be limiting the market. The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for smoking cigarettes. Please enlighten us. Pot smokers smoke to get high, cigarette smokers smoke because they are addicted. |
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In article ,
says... On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:04:49 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 2/27/12 4:59 PM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:44:04 -0500, X ` wrote: On 2/26/12 11:36 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. And that might be relevant if you could show him some "peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications". Why? He doesn't have the medical/scientific qualifications to judge it. I don't, and I have two university degrees. He didn't say he wanted to judge it. He asked where it was. He obviously would like to see it. If one has a smattering of statistics under their belt, much legitimate medical research is understandable - especially the conclusions. He obviously would like someone to do his homework for him. I posted a long, long lists of mostly scientifically acceptable URLs. Not to start anything, but what the hell is a 'scientifically acceptable URL'? Well, I posted SEVERAL peer reviewed studies that Bar and Scotty asked for. When I done so, they stuck there head in the sand immediately. |
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On 2/29/2012 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X ` wrote: I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale of the damned things. If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce. That does not seem to be limiting the market. The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for smoking cigarettes. So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers I can tell you, you are wrong... Really? Which is it, then, do cigarette smokers smoke to get high, or do pot smokers smoke to not get high? Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette. Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole? -- O M G |
Update on ecigs...
On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :) Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax, I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap... Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be rescinded? -- O M G |
Update on ecigs...
On 2/29/2012 9:33 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 2/29/2012 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X ` wrote: I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale of the damned things. If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce. That does not seem to be limiting the market. The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for smoking cigarettes. So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers I can tell you, you are wrong... Really? Which is it, then, do cigarette smokers smoke to get high, or do pot smokers smoke to not get high? The fact is... High or low.. They both smoke for the drug in the material... Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette. Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole? |
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On 2/29/2012 9:41 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :) Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax, I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap... Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be rescinded? No, I think Marijuana should be treated like Tobacco or Alcohol... |
Update on ecigs...
On 2/29/2012 9:48 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 9:41 AM, Oscar wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :) Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax, I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap... Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be rescinded? No, I think Marijuana should be treated like Tobacco or Alcohol... Why tobacco? -- O M G |
Update on ecigs...
On 2/29/2012 9:47 AM, JustWait wrote:
Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette. Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole? Pretty much depends on who is a better driver... |
Update on ecigs...
On 2/29/2012 9:56 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 9:47 AM, JustWait wrote: Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette. Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole? Pretty much depends on who is a better driver... So, you wouldn't mind sharing the road with a doper or alkey vs a cigarette smoker? -- O M G |
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On 2/29/2012 9:51 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 2/29/2012 9:48 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 9:41 AM, Oscar wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :) Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax, I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap... Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be rescinded? No, I think Marijuana should be treated like Tobacco or Alcohol... Why tobacco? I really don't understand the question... But I think it should be sold over the counter like cigarettes, or if necessary in more controlled retail setting like hard liquor and wine, here. |
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On 2/29/2012 10:02 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 2/29/2012 9:56 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 9:47 AM, JustWait wrote: Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette. Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole? Pretty much depends on who is a better driver... So, you wouldn't mind sharing the road with a doper or alkey vs a cigarette smoker? Lot's of variables there but I don't want to be on the road with a drinker... |
Update on ecigs...
On 2/29/2012 10:03 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 9:51 AM, Oscar wrote: On 2/29/2012 9:48 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 9:41 AM, Oscar wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :) Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax, I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap... Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be rescinded? No, I think Marijuana should be treated like Tobacco or Alcohol... Why tobacco? I really don't understand the question... But I think it should be sold over the counter like cigarettes, or if necessary in more controlled retail setting like hard liquor and wine, here. That's pretty liberal thinking. -- O M G |
Update on ecigs...
On 2/29/2012 10:17 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:03 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 9:51 AM, Oscar wrote: On 2/29/2012 9:48 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 9:41 AM, Oscar wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :) Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax, I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap... Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be rescinded? No, I think Marijuana should be treated like Tobacco or Alcohol... Why tobacco? I really don't understand the question... But I think it should be sold over the counter like cigarettes, or if necessary in more controlled retail setting like hard liquor and wine, here. That's pretty liberal thinking. You got me, I am a closet liberal;) But seriously, I have been telling you folks I am a Libertarian for years... |
Update on ecigs...
In article m,
says... On 2/29/2012 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X ` wrote: I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale of the damned things. If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce. That does not seem to be limiting the market. The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for smoking cigarettes. So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers I can tell you, you are wrong... Really? Which is it, then, do cigarette smokers smoke to get high, or do pot smokers smoke to not get high? Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette. Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole? Irrelevant to the conversation. |
Update on ecigs...
In article , says...
On 2/29/2012 9:41 AM, Oscar wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :) Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax, I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap... Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be rescinded? No, I think Marijuana should be treated like Tobacco or Alcohol... I agree. We spend WAY too much time and money on the fight to stamp out pot. Those resources could be used for much better things. |
Update on ecigs...
On 2/29/2012 10:19 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 10:17 AM, Oscar wrote: On 2/29/2012 10:03 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 9:51 AM, Oscar wrote: On 2/29/2012 9:48 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 9:41 AM, Oscar wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :) Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax, I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap... Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be rescinded? No, I think Marijuana should be treated like Tobacco or Alcohol... Why tobacco? I really don't understand the question... But I think it should be sold over the counter like cigarettes, or if necessary in more controlled retail setting like hard liquor and wine, here. That's pretty liberal thinking. You got me, I am a closet liberal;) But seriously, I have been telling you folks I am a Libertarian for years... Why is it that you and Harry don't get along with each other better, then? -- O M G |
Update on ecigs...
In article om, 5@
5.com says... On 2/29/2012 9:56 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 9:47 AM, JustWait wrote: Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette. Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole? Pretty much depends on who is a better driver... So, you wouldn't mind sharing the road with a doper or alkey vs a cigarette smoker? When I was young, a lady friend of mine wrecked her car going to school because she dropped a lit cigarette, so what's your point? |
Update on ecigs...
On 2/29/2012 10:25 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In aweb.com, says... On 2/29/2012 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 2/28/2012 4:35 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 4:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:32:14 -0500, X ` wrote: I would argue that it makes sense to continue to raise the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they are so expensive, the market for them collapses. Unfortunately, the tobacco companies are now concentrating selling their deadly wares to minors in third world countries. I'm sure at some point there will be a worldwide ban on the manufacture and sale of the damned things. If you can believe the news, pot is selling for $150-300 an ounce. That does not seem to be limiting the market. The motivations for growing and smoking pot are different than for smoking cigarettes. So says you... and being as at least half of my friends are still tokers I can tell you, you are wrong... Really? Which is it, then, do cigarette smokers smoke to get high, or do pot smokers smoke to not get high? Two guys take their cars out for a joyride in the country one of them lights up a tobacco cigarette. The other lights up a dope cigarette. Which guy is more likely to wrap his car around a tree or light pole? Irrelevant to the conversation. Conversations tend to drift around linked subjects. -- O M G |
Update on ecigs...
On 2/29/2012 10:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 2/29/2012 9:41 AM, Oscar wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:55 AM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 6:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 9:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:46 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 8:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:02 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 7:56 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:20 PM, BAR wrote: In articlep_Kdnelbdrumw9fSnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 11:20 AM, BAR wrote: In articlebeCdnXwnuLSUytfSnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 2/26/12 10:56 AM, BAR wrote: Where are the independently duplicated and peer reviewed research that shows that second hand smoke causes health problems? The medical and scientific fields are rife with incorrect conclusions, sub-standard methods and politically driven persons. What are your qualifications to find, understand, and judge legitimate medical research? You are too funny. What are you qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? I think if you are going to try to challenge peer-reviewed medical research in scientific publications, you ought to have some recognizable qualifications. What are your qualifications to question anyone else's qualifications? It is having a huge effect on the market.. Changing the whole dynamic. Taking the manufacture and distribution to a totally different level. Away from organized criminal organizations, and directly to Suzie Homemaker... You must have excised the content here. I think so. My comment was directed at the notion that 350 dollar an ounce pot was not having an effect on the market... And it certainly is... Ahh. I missed that. Is that up or down? And what effect is it having? I do not endorse the use of any illegal substance, all of my information is based on hearsay, my own research over the internet, and other sources over the years who wish to remain anonymous. OK,...here we go... Well, back in 1976 an ounce was less than ten dollars. It would come over from Jamaica or Vietnam with traveling service men, and other world travelers, average Joes, it was still somewhat casual but beginning to go more main stream (move to the suburbs) from about 69 on. At that time there were two distinctive levels of quality available. Regular like I said, less than ten buck an ounce, and then the specialty stuff like Colombian Gold, and Panama Red which cold reach the amazing price of 40 dollars an ounce... Things really changed quickly in the 80's when criminal elements realized how much money was to be made on pot, and really decided to take over the business. One of the things they did right away was begin to develop domestic production by sending growers from California all over the country, north western Mass, and particularly to Canada where a lot of the production moved indoors. This all made for a much fresher and significantly more potent, hand tended product rather than the imported stuff which was often beat to **** and smelling of something foul by the time it gotpot to the US. Although the imported stuff was still available, by the mid 80's it was almost completely replaced by the domestic crop and the prices skyrocketed to an average 200 an ounce by the mid 80's ten times more than it had been just a decade earlier. The whole market swung back in the last couple decades for suburban consumers anyway. With the availability of technology, information on the net, genetically superior seeds in the mail with practically no possibility of discovery has turned the whole market right back where it started with random, unconnected (mostly non criminal except for the pot) producers all over the country. Distribution has gone back to the days of the local farmer, mostly serving local friends and family. Stronger and better (taste, smoothness, etc.) is being genetically developed all the time and some of the higher priced strains now can go for nearly 500 an ounce for top bud (top plant material)... There is still a good amount of poor quality imported stuff coming over the border, but no longer the great strains of the past like the golds and reds, just commercial bunk, mostly sold in the inner city in dime bags on the street corner. That can still go for close to 200 an ounce if you were to find a distributor willing to sell that much. Most of them want to cut it to dime bags and make a fortune... So, that's how the price of pot has effected the industry... in a nutshell;) Ahh, thanks. I don't follow the pot price curve... :) Hummm, yeah I know a couple here will get stupid but it's all on the up and up. I get my info mostly from legal sites representing legal retail stores across the country and world... I tend to stir them up a bit as although I know there are some very legitimate medical reasons for some folks to smoke, I don't subscribe to the whole "medical marijuana" hoax, I just believe in straight legalization... 95 to probably 98% of the folks using "medical marijuana" are full of crap... Dope is dope Scotty. Do you suggest that all regulations on dope be rescinded? No, I think Marijuana should be treated like Tobacco or Alcohol... I agree. We spend WAY too much time and money on the fight to stamp out pot. Those resources could be used for much better things. Why don't you guys come up with a list of dope that you deem acceptable for general consumption. I'll start the list for you. 1. The hallucinogen, marijuana -- O M G |
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