On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:00:53 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

A "truck" can, fairly, be judged on its ability to tow a boat. A RAV4
is a girly "truck" suitable for hauling girly boats. What "truck" has
a maximum towing capacity of about 3500 pounds? Maybe a really small
Bayliner?

I am considering buying a Cu****er 28 inboard single Diesel cruiser.
260 HP Yanmar six, usual amenaties. Thirty three feet with the pulpet
and swim platform. A telescoping ladder over the bow to access a
beach. Probably close to 9000 pounds fully equipped with AC rev cycle
and a generator, as well as full fuel and water. Standard bow and
stern thrusters, optional wireless remote and optiional cockpit
mounted wheel and throttle. Hold it against the fenders with the
thrusters while you untie the lines. The head has a flimsy glass bowl
for a sink, attached at the bottom, not recessed and sure to break
right off if anyone puts any weight on it. The head door will not open
fully if the V berth is made up. So what do you need to haul it?

Casady

On 11/28/2011 6:54 AM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:00:53 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:36 -0500, John
wrote:

OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

A "truck" can, fairly, be judged on its ability to tow a boat. A RAV4
is a girly "truck" suitable for hauling girly boats. What "truck" has
a maximum towing capacity of about 3500 pounds? Maybe a really small
Bayliner?

I am considering buying a Cu****er 28 inboard single Diesel cruiser.
260 HP Yanmar six, usual amenaties. Thirty three feet with the pulpet
and swim platform. A telescoping ladder over the bow to access a
beach. Probably close to 9000 pounds fully equipped with AC rev cycle
and a generator, as well as full fuel and water. Standard bow and
stern thrusters, optional wireless remote and optiional cockpit
mounted wheel and throttle. Hold it against the fenders with the
thrusters while you untie the lines. The head has a flimsy glass bowl
for a sink, attached at the bottom, not recessed and sure to break
right off if anyone puts any weight on it. The head door will not open
fully if the V berth is made up. So what do you need to haul it?

Casady

The phone number of a reliable boat hauler.

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On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:54:27 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

I am considering buying a Cu****er 28 inboard single Diesel cruiser.
260 HP Yanmar six, usual amenaties. Thirty three feet with the pulpet
and swim platform. A telescoping ladder over the bow to access a
beach. Probably close to 9000 pounds fully equipped with AC rev cycle
and a generator, as well as full fuel and water. Standard bow and
stern thrusters, optional wireless remote and optiional cockpit
mounted wheel and throttle. Hold it against the fenders with the
thrusters while you untie the lines. The head has a flimsy glass bowl
for a sink, attached at the bottom, not recessed and sure to break
right off if anyone puts any weight on it. The head door will not open
fully if the V berth is made up. So what do you need to haul it?

===

The tow rating of any of the heavy duty diesel dualies is generally
well over 10,000 lbs. One of my neighbors claims 14,000 lbs for his
GMC. You might not even need a dualie but they certainly tow better.
You'll also need a heavy duty 3 axle trailer, preferably aluminum to
keep your total weight down. If going any distance I'd try to
minimize the amount of fuel and water on the boat and opt for disk
brakes on every axle.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:40:40 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:54:27 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

I am considering buying a Cu****er 28 inboard single Diesel cruiser.
260 HP Yanmar six, usual amenaties. Thirty three feet with the pulpet
and swim platform. A telescoping ladder over the bow to access a
beach. Probably close to 9000 pounds fully equipped with AC rev cycle
and a generator, as well as full fuel and water. Standard bow and
stern thrusters, optional wireless remote and optiional cockpit
mounted wheel and throttle. Hold it against the fenders with the
thrusters while you untie the lines. The head has a flimsy glass bowl
for a sink, attached at the bottom, not recessed and sure to break
right off if anyone puts any weight on it. The head door will not open
fully if the V berth is made up. So what do you need to haul it?

===

The tow rating of any of the heavy duty diesel dualies is generally
well over 10,000 lbs. One of my neighbors claims 14,000 lbs for his
GMC. You might not even need a dualie but they certainly tow better.
You'll also need a heavy duty 3 axle trailer, preferably aluminum to
keep your total weight down. If going any distance I'd try to
minimize the amount of fuel and water on the boat and opt for disk
brakes on every axle.

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:54:23 -0500, John H
wrote:

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

===

Perhaps, but it seems intuitive that they would add to stability,
braking and tongue weight capability. Why else would people buy
them?

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:03:07 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:54:23 -0500, John H
wrote:

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

===

Perhaps, but it seems intuitive that they would add to stability,
braking and tongue weight capability. Why else would people buy
them?

You made me get out the book. The K3500 regular cab with single rear wheels can pull a max trailer
weight of 15,400 lbs. With dual rear wheels the max weight is 16,500 lbs.

Personally, I don't think the extra 1100 lbs is worth it, but if you've got a trailer weighing that
much, then the dually becomes necessary.

For 9000 lbs, I wouldn't even think about it.

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says...

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:03:07 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:54:23 -0500, John H
wrote:

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

===

Perhaps, but it seems intuitive that they would add to stability,
braking and tongue weight capability. Why else would people buy
them?

You made me get out the book. The K3500 regular cab with single rear wheels can pull a max trailer
weight of 15,400 lbs. With dual rear wheels the max weight is 16,500 lbs.

Personally, I don't think the extra 1100 lbs is worth it, but if you've got a trailer weighing that
much, then the dually becomes necessary.

For 9000 lbs, I wouldn't even think about it.

The issue is tongue weight, a dually will certainly be able to handle
more tongue weight.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:45:03 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:03:07 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:54:23 -0500, John H
wrote:

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

===

Perhaps, but it seems intuitive that they would add to stability,
braking and tongue weight capability. Why else would people buy
them?

You made me get out the book. The K3500 regular cab with single rear wheels can pull a max trailer
weight of 15,400 lbs. With dual rear wheels the max weight is 16,500 lbs.

Personally, I don't think the extra 1100 lbs is worth it, but if you've got a trailer weighing that
much, then the dually becomes necessary.

For 9000 lbs, I wouldn't even think about it.

I think he's talking about a 9,000 lb boat plus fuel, water, supplies
and trailer weight. I'd guess something more like 13,000 or 14,000
lbs going down the road.


The issue is tongue weight, a dually will certainly be able to handle
more tongue weight.

===

You'd think, and all of that extra rubber on the road has got to make
a contribution to stabilty and braking. You've also got the safety
issue with redundant rear tires. If it was me, I'd get a crew cab
dualie.

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:03:07 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:54:23 -0500, John H
wrote:

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

===

Perhaps, but it seems intuitive that they would add to stability,
braking and tongue weight capability. Why else would people buy
them?

You made me get out the book. The K3500 regular cab with single rear
wheels can pull a max trailer
weight of 15,400 lbs. With dual rear wheels the max weight is 16,500 lbs.

Personally, I don't think the extra 1100 lbs is worth it, but if you've
got a trailer weighing that
much, then the dually becomes necessary.

For 9000 lbs, I wouldn't even think about it.

The issue is tongue weight, a dually will certainly be able to handle
more tongue weight.


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Probably not much difference in tongue weight. But more stability as they
have a wider footprint. Probably not much difference in fuel mileage, but
for that size boat, if not in berth, I would find storage near the ramp and
only tow it a short distance. Sort of like they do in Hawaii.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:58:05 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:45:03 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:03:07 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:54:23 -0500, John H
wrote:

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

===

Perhaps, but it seems intuitive that they would add to stability,
braking and tongue weight capability. Why else would people buy
them?

You made me get out the book. The K3500 regular cab with single rear wheels can pull a max trailer
weight of 15,400 lbs. With dual rear wheels the max weight is 16,500 lbs.

Personally, I don't think the extra 1100 lbs is worth it, but if you've got a trailer weighing that
much, then the dually becomes necessary.

For 9000 lbs, I wouldn't even think about it.

The issue is tongue weight, a dually will certainly be able to handle
more tongue weight.

That is silly. I have a 1/2 ton PU that is rated to tow slightly over
10,000 lbs. That is a Class V hitch, which has a tongue weight limit
of 1,200#. 9,000 lbs exceeds the capability of a Class IV hitch.

I have a diesel dually that will pull 21,700, but now were talking a
2,600# tongue weight, which isn't practical to hang aft of the rear
wheels. So, go with the fifth wheel. Consider that this takes oversize
gears, adequate transmission, and heavy duty cooling.

I've got Kevin filtered, so didn't see his post. Tongue weight for the 2500HD or 3500HD should be
10-15% of the trailer weight. The increase in max weight for the dually is about 1100 lbs. That
would mean max tongue weight for a dually would increase by about 110-165.lbs.

That's it. What kind of diesel dually do you have that will take a 2600# tongue weight? The most I
can see for a 3500HD, diesel or not, is 1500 lbs, and that's with a weight distributing hitch.