On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:39:13 -0500, Disgusted wrote:

On 11/22/2011 4:18 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:59:40 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:39:33 -0500, wrote:

not enough. not enough at all. they pay 15%. i pay 28%

Bull****.

If you pay 28% you are one of the 1%.

Two people, no kids, making a combined $100k end up paying about 11%
taking the standard deduction.

not too smart are you? 28% is middle class income:

http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-In...1-Tax-Year.htm

•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
•15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
•25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
•28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
•33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
•35% on taxable income over $379,150.


no wonder you're right wing. you're too stupid to be anything BUT....


Those are the rates for "taxable" income after deductions, credits, etc.
And we do NOT pay 28% on the whole "taxable" amount. There are
brackets below the 28% bracket where the applied tax is lower.

From your cite the first 8.5K is taxed at 10%. From 8.5K to 34.5K is
taxed at 15% and so on. Thus the net percentage paid is lower that 28%
for the bracket under discussion.

But you're too stupid to know that. I hope your account is smarter than
you are.

oh. you dont know what a marginal tax rate is

even though you just defined it

yeah, you're right wing alright

On 11/23/2011 7:20 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:39:13 -0500, wrote:

On 11/22/2011 4:18 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:59:40 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:39:33 -0500, wrote:

not enough. not enough at all. they pay 15%. i pay 28%

Bull****.

If you pay 28% you are one of the 1%.

Two people, no kids, making a combined $100k end up paying about 11%
taking the standard deduction.

not too smart are you? 28% is middle class income:

http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-In...1-Tax-Year.htm

•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
•15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
•25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
•28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
•33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
•35% on taxable income over $379,150.


no wonder you're right wing. you're too stupid to be anything BUT....


Those are the rates for "taxable" income after deductions, credits, etc.
And we do NOT pay 28% on the whole "taxable" amount. There are
brackets below the 28% bracket where the applied tax is lower.

From your cite the first 8.5K is taxed at 10%. From 8.5K to 34.5K is
taxed at 15% and so on. Thus the net percentage paid is lower that 28%
for the bracket under discussion.

But you're too stupid to know that. I hope your account is smarter than
you are.

oh. you dont know what a marginal tax rate is

even though you just defined it

yeah, you're right wing alright

Nice try at a cover up.

I never thought you would understand the meaning of marginal tax rate.

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:44:21 -0500, Disgusted wrote:

On 11/23/2011 7:20 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:39:13 -0500, wrote:

On 11/22/2011 4:18 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:59:40 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:39:33 -0500, wrote:

not enough. not enough at all. they pay 15%. i pay 28%

Bull****.

If you pay 28% you are one of the 1%.

Two people, no kids, making a combined $100k end up paying about 11%
taking the standard deduction.

not too smart are you? 28% is middle class income:

http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-In...1-Tax-Year.htm

•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
•15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
•25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
•28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
•33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
•35% on taxable income over $379,150.


no wonder you're right wing. you're too stupid to be anything BUT....


Those are the rates for "taxable" income after deductions, credits, etc.
And we do NOT pay 28% on the whole "taxable" amount. There are
brackets below the 28% bracket where the applied tax is lower.

From your cite the first 8.5K is taxed at 10%. From 8.5K to 34.5K is
taxed at 15% and so on. Thus the net percentage paid is lower that 28%
for the bracket under discussion.

But you're too stupid to know that. I hope your account is smarter than
you are.

oh. you dont know what a marginal tax rate is

even though you just defined it

yeah, you're right wing alright

Nice try at a cover up.

I never thought you would understand the meaning of marginal tax rate.

try reading a tax table. i published one above

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:35:22 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:08:37 -0500, bpuharic wrote:



try reading a tax table. i published one above

Do you just take your gross income, multiply it by the top rate and
send it in?

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

go ahead and argue against it. you can't. i dare you to post the tax
rates for middle class income. they are either 25 or 28%

NOW...you can bitch and moan and whine that, with deductions, the
middle class generally pays LESS than this

BUT....the FACT is the rates are as i stated they were

now, little boy, slink off into your rat hole and lick your wounds


You do understand that the tax table is progressive don't you?

just barely. and certainly NOT for capital gains which is an example
of the love affair the middle class has for the rich


There
are also deductions, exemptions and a credit available to everyone.
I am guessing the 1040 just baffles you and you pay someone to do your
taxes. I hope they are smarter than you. Well maybe not. You should
pay more just for whining.

you're an idiot

and a conservative

but i repeat myself

bet you whine and moan about the 47% who 'dont' pay taxes too...

On 11/24/2011 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.


You sure do have a lot of patience with that guy. If he acted like he
does here in a face to face "debate", with his name calling, he'd be
visiting his dentist on a regular basis. But it's too easy to hide
behind Usenet.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:55:23 -0500, Disgusted wrote:

On 11/24/2011 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.


You sure do have a lot of patience with that guy. If he acted like he
does here in a face to face "debate", with his name calling, he'd be
visiting his dentist on a regular basis. But it's too easy to hide
behind Usenet.

right whiners call hiding from the truth 'patience'

orwell would be proud

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

On 24/11/2011 7:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Tax capital gains 2 things happen.

1) USA is less attractive for investing and less jobs.
2) Those that do invest will get double the gains to pay the taxes and
it will come from wages.

Either way, just screwing the middle class.

Tax greed isn't going to solve DCs problem but it is liable to make it a
whole lot worse.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:36:38 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/11/2011 7:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Tax capital gains 2 things happen.

1) USA is less attractive for investing and less jobs.

wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to
drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false
investments that have dstroyed our economy.

there is no proof that cutting capital gains leads to jobs. none. it's
right wing propaganda. bush cut capital gains from 29% to 15%

and this is the economy we got.

where are the jobs??

2) Those that do invest will get double the gains to pay the taxes and
it will come from wages.

wrong. if they're in a competiitive market for jobs OR if there are
unions, like in more advanced countries, then capital gains taxes will
come from stock holders

Either way, just screwing the middle class.

bull****. i just showed why you're wrong.

where are the jobs?

where are they??


Tax greed isn't going to solve DCs problem but it is liable to make it a
whole lot worse.

On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains
taxes.

But taxes on gains is a wealth tax.

Say I invest $1000. After I invest you get 100% inflation years later.
Now the investment is worth $2000. And now I sell, I see gains taxes
on $1000, but I only say get taxed on half...so I get taxed on $500.
Say I get a tax rate of 25%. $125 taxes paid and $1875. But wait, to
buy stuff has also doubled by my net hasn't doubled.

Basically inflation as a tax. Works on wages too as the basic
deductions never keep pace with inflation pushing you up the tax tables
over time.

So if you tax it full, well, your company better produce a bigger
dividend to write off the capital devaluation or investment capital will
dry up.

If GDP or inflation goes up 3%, and you only go up 2% net of taxes, you
are 1% behind in your slice of the pie. And taxed on it too.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.