In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/6/11 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:45:41 -0700,
wrote:

Actually, do your family computer guy a favor and skip this. If I
charges my relatives for this it would be cheaper for me to buy them a
new one, then join the party having fun. If the user has messed it up
with too much garbage, hit the recovery button after backing up your
data. Or buy a new one from Cosco for $499 that will probably be 10
times faster to start with.

If that is your recommendation why not just tell them to format their
C drive and reload the operating system from the start up disk.?

If they are just starting from zero, why not do it for free?

What you pay for is transferring all of the stuff you have stored and
getting the machine configured the way you like it.


Ahhh, the delights of an Apple computer...which makes the backup,
restore and setting up a new computer with your old stuff as easy
as...apple pi (yes, I know.)

Gee, I've never had a problem doing that with windows.

On 07/11/2011 6:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articledbudnSGHHbg9VyrTnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 11/6/11 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:45:41 -0700,
wrote:

Actually, do your family computer guy a favor and skip this. If I
charges my relatives for this it would be cheaper for me to buy them a
new one, then join the party having fun. If the user has messed it up
with too much garbage, hit the recovery button after backing up your
data. Or buy a new one from Cosco for $499 that will probably be 10
times faster to start with.

If that is your recommendation why not just tell them to format their
C drive and reload the operating system from the start up disk.?

If they are just starting from zero, why not do it for free?

What you pay for is transferring all of the stuff you have stored and
getting the machine configured the way you like it.


Ahhh, the delights of an Apple computer...which makes the backup,
restore and setting up a new computer with your old stuff as easy
as...apple pi (yes, I know.)

Gee, I've never had a problem doing that with windows.

I will give harryk this, recovering MS-Windows is a bitch and 1/2 the
systems don't work and Macs are superior in restore and recovery.
Recovery yes, restore not so good. Getting a factory image back does
work in MS-Windows, but after that you hope you have baked up your data
and have copies of your apps somewhere.

Big problem I have with Apple is for what you get, poor value. Better
for some things, but not 5x the price better. And they are not without
their problems.
--
The reason government can't fix the economic problems is government is
the problem.

On 11/7/11 6:46 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/11/2011 6:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articledbudnSGHHbg9VyrTnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 11/6/11 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:45:41 -0700,
wrote:

Actually, do your family computer guy a favor and skip this. If I
charges my relatives for this it would be cheaper for me to buy them a
new one, then join the party having fun. If the user has messed it up
with too much garbage, hit the recovery button after backing up your
data. Or buy a new one from Cosco for $499 that will probably be 10
times faster to start with.

If that is your recommendation why not just tell them to format their
C drive and reload the operating system from the start up disk.?

If they are just starting from zero, why not do it for free?

What you pay for is transferring all of the stuff you have stored and
getting the machine configured the way you like it.


Ahhh, the delights of an Apple computer...which makes the backup,
restore and setting up a new computer with your old stuff as easy
as...apple pi (yes, I know.)

Gee, I've never had a problem doing that with windows.

I will give harryk this, recovering MS-Windows is a bitch and 1/2 the
systems don't work and Macs are superior in restore and recovery.
Recovery yes, restore not so good. Getting a factory image back does
work in MS-Windows, but after that you hope you have baked up your data
and have copies of your apps somewhere.

Big problem I have with Apple is for what you get, poor value. Better
for some things, but not 5x the price better. And they are not without
their problems.

There's no question that Apple charges more, in some cases a lot more,
for some of its hardware. On the other hand, the integration of hardware
with the Apple OS is far superior than anything on the Windows side,
which is understandable, since Microsoft isn't in the personal computer
hardware business. I like Mac's tech support, too. The few times I've
needed it, I was able to get into immediate touch with competent
personnel who spoke proper English with American or British accents.

There no longer are any applications for which *I'd* need Windows
instead of identical or similar apps that run under Apple Snow Tiger or
Lion.

Backup, recovery and restore is a no-braining on a Mac. It's hit or miss
under Windows.

On 07/11/2011 5:10 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/6/11 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:45:41 -0700,
wrote:

Actually, do your family computer guy a favor and skip this. If I
charges my relatives for this it would be cheaper for me to buy them a
new one, then join the party having fun. If the user has messed it up
with too much garbage, hit the recovery button after backing up your
data. Or buy a new one from Cosco for $499 that will probably be 10
times faster to start with.

If that is your recommendation why not just tell them to format their
C drive and reload the operating system from the start up disk.?

If they are just starting from zero, why not do it for free?

What you pay for is transferring all of the stuff you have stored and
getting the machine configured the way you like it.


Ahhh, the delights of an Apple computer...which makes the backup,
restore and setting up a new computer with your old stuff as easy
as...apple pi (yes, I know.)

Well there harryk, Apple is now on a downhill ride. Enjoy.
--
The reason government can't fix the economic problems is government is
the problem.

On 11/7/11 6:39 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/11/2011 5:10 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/6/11 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:45:41 -0700,
wrote:

Actually, do your family computer guy a favor and skip this. If I
charges my relatives for this it would be cheaper for me to buy them a
new one, then join the party having fun. If the user has messed it up
with too much garbage, hit the recovery button after backing up your
data. Or buy a new one from Cosco for $499 that will probably be 10
times faster to start with.

If that is your recommendation why not just tell them to format their
C drive and reload the operating system from the start up disk.?

If they are just starting from zero, why not do it for free?

What you pay for is transferring all of the stuff you have stored and
getting the machine configured the way you like it.


Ahhh, the delights of an Apple computer...which makes the backup,
restore and setting up a new computer with your old stuff as easy
as...apple pi (yes, I know.)

Well there harryk, Apple is now on a downhill ride. Enjoy.


That's absurd, just more crazy poop on your part.

On Nov 6, 6:39*pm, John H wrote:
Some good ideas here.

Christmas 2011 -- Birth of a New Tradition

As the holidays approach, the giant Asian factories are kicking into high
gear to provide Americans with monstrous piles of cheaply produced goods --
merchandise that has been produced at the expense of American labor. This
year will be different. This year Americans will give the gift of genuine
concern for other Americans. There is no longer an excuse that, at gift
giving time, nothing can be found that is produced by American hands. Yes
there is!

It's time to think outside the box, people. Who says a gift needs to fit in
a shirt box, wrapped in Chinese produced wrapping paper?

Everyone -- yes EVERYONE gets their hair cut. How about gift certificates
from your local American hair salon or barber?

Gym membership? It's appropriate for all ages who are thinking about some
health improvement.

Who wouldn't appreciate getting their car detailed? Small, American owned
detail shops and car washes would love to sell you a gift certificate or a
book of gift certificates.

Are you one of those extravagant givers who think nothing of plunking down
the Benjamines on a Chinese made flat-screen? Perhaps that grateful gift
receiver would like his driveway sealed, or lawn mowed for the summer, or
driveway plowed all winter, or games at the local golf course.

There are a bazillion owner-run restaurants -- all offering gift
certificates. And, if your intended isn't the fancy eatery sort, what about
a half dozen breakfasts at the local breakfast joint. Remember, folks this
isn't about big National chains -- this is about supporting your home town
Americans with their financial lives on the line to keep their doors open..

How many people couldn't use an oil change for their car, truck or
motorcycle, done at a shop run by the American working guy?

Thinking about a heartfelt gift for mom? Mom would LOVE the services of a
local cleaning lady for a day.

My computer could use a tune-up, and I KNOW I can find some young guy who is
struggling to get his repair business up and running.

OK, you were looking for something more personal. Local crafts people spin
their own wool and knit them into scarves. They make jewelry, and pottery
and beautiful wooden boxes.

Plan your holiday outings at local, owner operated restaurants and leave
your server a nice tip. And, how about going out to see a play or ballet at
your hometown theatre.

Musicians need love too, so find a venue showcasing local bands.

Honestly, people, do you REALLY need to buy another ten thousand Chinese
lights for the house? When you buy a five dollar string of light, about
fifty cents stays in the community. If you have those kinds of bucks to
burn, leave the mailman, trash guy or babysitter a nice BIG tip.

You see, Christmas is no longer about draining American pockets so that
China can build another glittering city. Christmas is now about caring about
US, encouraging American small businesses to keep plugging away to follow
their dreams. And, when we care about other Americans, we care about our
communities, and the benefits come back to us in ways we couldn't imagine..

THIS is the new American Christmas tradition.

Pass it on.

Trouble with certificates... you have to be careful about expiry
dates ..and.. a fair percentage never get used for one reason or
another.

On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:43:54 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote:

On Nov 6, 6:39*pm, John H wrote:
Some good ideas here.

Christmas 2011 -- Birth of a New Tradition

As the holidays approach, the giant Asian factories are kicking into high
gear to provide Americans with monstrous piles of cheaply produced goods --
merchandise that has been produced at the expense of American labor. This
year will be different. This year Americans will give the gift of genuine
concern for other Americans. There is no longer an excuse that, at gift
giving time, nothing can be found that is produced by American hands. Yes
there is!

It's time to think outside the box, people. Who says a gift needs to fit in
a shirt box, wrapped in Chinese produced wrapping paper?

Everyone -- yes EVERYONE gets their hair cut. How about gift certificates
from your local American hair salon or barber?

Gym membership? It's appropriate for all ages who are thinking about some
health improvement.

Who wouldn't appreciate getting their car detailed? Small, American owned
detail shops and car washes would love to sell you a gift certificate or a
book of gift certificates.

Are you one of those extravagant givers who think nothing of plunking down
the Benjamines on a Chinese made flat-screen? Perhaps that grateful gift
receiver would like his driveway sealed, or lawn mowed for the summer, or
driveway plowed all winter, or games at the local golf course.

There are a bazillion owner-run restaurants -- all offering gift
certificates. And, if your intended isn't the fancy eatery sort, what about
a half dozen breakfasts at the local breakfast joint. Remember, folks this
isn't about big National chains -- this is about supporting your home town
Americans with their financial lives on the line to keep their doors open.

How many people couldn't use an oil change for their car, truck or
motorcycle, done at a shop run by the American working guy?

Thinking about a heartfelt gift for mom? Mom would LOVE the services of a
local cleaning lady for a day.

My computer could use a tune-up, and I KNOW I can find some young guy who is
struggling to get his repair business up and running.

OK, you were looking for something more personal. Local crafts people spin
their own wool and knit them into scarves. They make jewelry, and pottery
and beautiful wooden boxes.

Plan your holiday outings at local, owner operated restaurants and leave
your server a nice tip. And, how about going out to see a play or ballet at
your hometown theatre.

Musicians need love too, so find a venue showcasing local bands.

Honestly, people, do you REALLY need to buy another ten thousand Chinese
lights for the house? When you buy a five dollar string of light, about
fifty cents stays in the community. If you have those kinds of bucks to
burn, leave the mailman, trash guy or babysitter a nice BIG tip.

You see, Christmas is no longer about draining American pockets so that
China can build another glittering city. Christmas is now about caring about
US, encouraging American small businesses to keep plugging away to follow
their dreams. And, when we care about other Americans, we care about our
communities, and the benefits come back to us in ways we couldn't imagine.

THIS is the new American Christmas tradition.

Pass it on.

Trouble with certificates... you have to be careful about expiry
dates ..and.. a fair percentage never get used for one reason or
another.

Read.

The name of the game is to support local business - not China. Gift certificates support local
businesses, used or not.

I give my wife a six-wash card for the car wash. Gets put in her stocking. She loves it, and it
helps keep a local business going. Does she use it? I don't know and don't care.

On 07/11/2011 5:25 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:43:54 -0800 (PST), North wrote:

On Nov 6, 6:39 pm, John wrote:
Some good ideas here.

Christmas 2011 -- Birth of a New Tradition

As the holidays approach, the giant Asian factories are kicking into high
gear to provide Americans with monstrous piles of cheaply produced goods --
merchandise that has been produced at the expense of American labor. This
year will be different. This year Americans will give the gift of genuine
concern for other Americans. There is no longer an excuse that, at gift
giving time, nothing can be found that is produced by American hands. Yes
there is!

It's time to think outside the box, people. Who says a gift needs to fit in
a shirt box, wrapped in Chinese produced wrapping paper?

Everyone -- yes EVERYONE gets their hair cut. How about gift certificates
from your local American hair salon or barber?

Gym membership? It's appropriate for all ages who are thinking about some
health improvement.

Who wouldn't appreciate getting their car detailed? Small, American owned
detail shops and car washes would love to sell you a gift certificate or a
book of gift certificates.

Are you one of those extravagant givers who think nothing of plunking down
the Benjamines on a Chinese made flat-screen? Perhaps that grateful gift
receiver would like his driveway sealed, or lawn mowed for the summer, or
driveway plowed all winter, or games at the local golf course.

There are a bazillion owner-run restaurants -- all offering gift
certificates. And, if your intended isn't the fancy eatery sort, what about
a half dozen breakfasts at the local breakfast joint. Remember, folks this
isn't about big National chains -- this is about supporting your home town
Americans with their financial lives on the line to keep their doors open.

How many people couldn't use an oil change for their car, truck or
motorcycle, done at a shop run by the American working guy?

Thinking about a heartfelt gift for mom? Mom would LOVE the services of a
local cleaning lady for a day.

My computer could use a tune-up, and I KNOW I can find some young guy who is
struggling to get his repair business up and running.

OK, you were looking for something more personal. Local crafts people spin
their own wool and knit them into scarves. They make jewelry, and pottery
and beautiful wooden boxes.

Plan your holiday outings at local, owner operated restaurants and leave
your server a nice tip. And, how about going out to see a play or ballet at
your hometown theatre.

Musicians need love too, so find a venue showcasing local bands.

Honestly, people, do you REALLY need to buy another ten thousand Chinese
lights for the house? When you buy a five dollar string of light, about
fifty cents stays in the community. If you have those kinds of bucks to
burn, leave the mailman, trash guy or babysitter a nice BIG tip.

You see, Christmas is no longer about draining American pockets so that
China can build another glittering city. Christmas is now about caring about
US, encouraging American small businesses to keep plugging away to follow
their dreams. And, when we care about other Americans, we care about our
communities, and the benefits come back to us in ways we couldn't imagine.

THIS is the new American Christmas tradition.

Pass it on.

Trouble with certificates... you have to be careful about expiry
dates ..and.. a fair percentage never get used for one reason or
another.

Read.

The name of the game is to support local business - not China. Gift certificates support local
businesses, used or not.

I give my wife a six-wash card for the car wash. Gets put in her stocking. She loves it, and it
helps keep a local business going. Does she use it? I don't know and don't care.

You are an ass hole.

Do you think union droids are shopping American? Sorry, if I get better
quality at a lower price for Chinese, I do the right thing for my family.

Car wash card, hell, she should buy you ass wipe and kitchen linnets.
--
The reason government can't fix the economic problems is government is
the problem.

North Star wrote:
On Nov 6, 6:39 pm, John wrote:
Some good ideas here.

Christmas 2011 -- Birth of a New Tradition

As the holidays approach, the giant Asian factories are kicking into high
gear to provide Americans with monstrous piles of cheaply produced goods --
merchandise that has been produced at the expense of American labor. This
year will be different. This year Americans will give the gift of genuine
concern for other Americans. There is no longer an excuse that, at gift
giving time, nothing can be found that is produced by American hands. Yes
there is!

It's time to think outside the box, people. Who says a gift needs to fit in
a shirt box, wrapped in Chinese produced wrapping paper?

Everyone -- yes EVERYONE gets their hair cut. How about gift certificates
from your local American hair salon or barber?

Gym membership? It's appropriate for all ages who are thinking about some
health improvement.

Who wouldn't appreciate getting their car detailed? Small, American owned
detail shops and car washes would love to sell you a gift certificate or a
book of gift certificates.

Are you one of those extravagant givers who think nothing of plunking down
the Benjamines on a Chinese made flat-screen? Perhaps that grateful gift
receiver would like his driveway sealed, or lawn mowed for the summer, or
driveway plowed all winter, or games at the local golf course.

There are a bazillion owner-run restaurants -- all offering gift
certificates. And, if your intended isn't the fancy eatery sort, what about
a half dozen breakfasts at the local breakfast joint. Remember, folks this
isn't about big National chains -- this is about supporting your home town
Americans with their financial lives on the line to keep their doors open..

How many people couldn't use an oil change for their car, truck or
motorcycle, done at a shop run by the American working guy?

Thinking about a heartfelt gift for mom? Mom would LOVE the services of a
local cleaning lady for a day.

My computer could use a tune-up, and I KNOW I can find some young guy who is
struggling to get his repair business up and running.

OK, you were looking for something more personal. Local crafts people spin
their own wool and knit them into scarves. They make jewelry, and pottery
and beautiful wooden boxes.

Plan your holiday outings at local, owner operated restaurants and leave
your server a nice tip. And, how about going out to see a play or ballet at
your hometown theatre.

Musicians need love too, so find a venue showcasing local bands.

Honestly, people, do you REALLY need to buy another ten thousand Chinese
lights for the house? When you buy a five dollar string of light, about
fifty cents stays in the community. If you have those kinds of bucks to
burn, leave the mailman, trash guy or babysitter a nice BIG tip.

You see, Christmas is no longer about draining American pockets so that
China can build another glittering city. Christmas is now about caring about
US, encouraging American small businesses to keep plugging away to follow
their dreams. And, when we care about other Americans, we care about our
communities, and the benefits come back to us in ways we couldn't imagine..

THIS is the new American Christmas tradition.

Pass it on.
Trouble with certificates... you have to be careful about expiry
dates ..and.. a fair percentage never get used for one reason or
another.
No trouble in most states - no expiration date and no fees! State law!

-HB