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X ` Man wrote:
On 10/6/11 5:37 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:11:44 -0400, wrote:

So then why are you worried about wire size, etc.

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It was Harry's way of bragging to everyone that he was getting a home
generator. It was also his way of demonstrating that he knows very
little about electrical work or wiring.

Already have a home generator, w'hiner. Just replacing it with a
larger unit. And I said I know next to nothing about wiring beyond a
switch or ceiling fixture.

If your current home generator is under 17kW, it's not a home
generator. If we had natural gas to the house, I would have a 20kW with
an auto transfer switch to cover the desired circuits.

-HB (As seen on TV!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-e4vu_wL-M

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 19:59:46 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Building to code was shown to be inadequate in South Florida after
Hurricane Andrew...that and malfeasance on the part of building inspectors.

Stop pontificating, w'hine.

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Stop being a sociopathic putz Harold.

Oh I forget, you really can't, can you?

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On 10/6/2011 7:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 01:22:33 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 10/5/2011 5:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 04/10/2011 11:05 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/4/2011 10:45 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 04/10/2011 1:59 PM, X ` Man wrote:
I'm thinking of upgrading to a larger standby generator, probably a
17KW
model.

The generator will be approximately 50 to 60 feet away from the house
circuit breakers. The wire will run under the main level floor and
above
the lower level ceiling.

I want as little current drop as possible. The generator provides
100 amps.

One of the contractors under consideration wants to use aluminum wire,
but I am more than willing to pay the premium between aluminum and
copper. I don't have an electrical "handibook" available.

What I am wondering:

1. Is 4/0 copper wire heavy enough?

2. Anyone know a supplier for about 70 feet of the stuff?

Our local electrical suppliers don't seem to want to provide a length
that short.

Thanks.

P.S. I'm really only interested in replies from those with an
educational or professional electrical background.

So is this for your grow op so the police don't see your utility bill?

In any case, for 1), current heats wire not voltage or wattage, so what
is the voltage as to calculate the current 17KW can generate? Amps
generate the heat. 220 or 115? With that size I will assume 220. 17K/220
= 77.3 amps. And I like being cautious, say AWG 3 for 220, 3/0 for 120.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge

Probably industrial supply shops, as consumer hardware stores will not
carry this. As it gets worse. You need special tools to bend it, you may
need conduit and I strongly suspect local ordinance would require an
inspection or at least a licensed electrician.

Tonight I had to install a new shallow well system for a friend in
Essex. Pretty straight forward, pump, expansion tank, and new conduit
tube from the knife switch above on the floor joist, down to the cutoff
switch... to code.

We noticed the breaker supplied an outside light and an outlet too, so
we had to put in an new breaker and 12 ga, Romex to supply the pump on a
separate line, also required by code.

Electrical and plumbing is not really all that hard, about 20 years ago
I with some help changed my home over from knob and tube to modern day
romex, gpf switches, etc..;), three years ago I redid the plumbing in
our place, including a new section of baseboard heating in one room. For
the water side of the system I used Pex pipe and Sharkbite fittings up
to the floors under the appliance or sink, and went with hard copper
from the floor up... I actually enjoy doing that stuff, But I guess my
bud could have waited for someone with "educational or professional
electrical background" and spent $700 for a $300 (parts) job we could
easily do ourselves.snerk.

I agree normal wiring isn't that hard. However 4GA isn't normal wiring
neither is 70+ Amps and futzing with the mains. Have that short out and
your face could be copper or aluminum coated. And if it burns his home,
and no inspection, it isn't covered.

It isn't a wall socket or light switch job.

It also needs to be inspected even if you do it yourself.

For example if it supplies the house, he needs a switch panel between
the fuse box and the incoming mains. Which also means coordinating
having the power off to insert an approved switch.

Yeah, I have worked with bigger stuff too. We did the shop with 440 a
while back, all conduit, feeding about a dozen machines... But of course
after you have licensed electrial come in and inspect, and throw the
switch the first time:) Yeah, the connectors are different, but it's
still just plumbing with wire;)

Whoo-boy, 440 service and dozens of machines! I bet they are
Zimmerman-like machines, too. What with all of those tax bills due.
Yep, two peas in a pod.

**** you, it was ****ing 25 years ago... So, I owe some taxes...BFD.
What's up with your ****ing pussy cowards... my medical records??? You
are a ****ing pussy, hiding under your desk... ****ing coward, and you
call harry and don cowards... you are just as bad...

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:31:10 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

The oxidation was not the main problem. Was what showed up because of
the connections getting loose and then the oxidation formed, causing
fires. The aluminum has very little elastic range. Where it works like a
spring, so the aluminum actually cold flows and gets smaller under the
screw connection. Therefore getting loose. They use some special boxes
that include a spring like connector to keep the connection tight. Big
electrical lines are aluminum as the weight is significantly less and
they can run fewer towers. The 500KV main power grid lines in California
are very large aluminum wire.

And very high voltage with lower currents.

That is not true at all. Overhead transmission lines carry very large
currents, so high that the "sag" from the I2R heating causes problems.
That is one reason why our overloaded grid is so inefficient. There
are some estimates that far more than half of the power generated,
never makes to the meter.

It may have a lower current density than some local wires, but those lines
carry huge amounts of current. The wires look to be 4-6" diameter. When a
crop dusting plane hit one years ago, the plane pretty much vaporized
according to a friend who worked for PG&E near the crash.

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