On 10/3/2011 6:12 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:19:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote:

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

That is not American soil, it is in Cuba, precisely why we put them
there. This is not an embassy. Gitmo is a particularly ambiguous
place. Legally it is simply leased from Castro, just like a base in
Japan, Germany or Turkey. We actually send them a check every year
that they refuse to cash.
We can even say we are following the laws of Cuba since locking up
political prisoners there is the normal thing to do.
Obama must see the convenient irony too since he has done nothing to
change the situation.

It was a poor attempt to subvert the American Justice system, in
particular the FISA court. A needless criminal act, which carries
ramifications to this day.

Unlawful combatants are not afforded the rights of citizens when they
are caught on the battlefield.

Bank robbers don't get a trial before a cop shoots back either... And
that is on American soil...

On 10/3/2011 6:11 PM, BAR wrote:
In articleY6WdnQX7iPciWxTTnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...

On 10/3/11 9:21 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...



In discussing how ****ed up this country now is, Bush is always on
topic. Bush ****ed up this country so badly in so many areas we likely
will never recover from the ****-ups of his presidency.

------------------------------------------------------------

I have no idea if you are the "real" Harry or not and I am not about to
waste my time checking headers, etc.
Most of these discussions aren't worth the effort of even reading.

However, I think you should consider some recent comments by Bill
Clinton. He's no dummy.
In his view, the USA has been on a cycle of change for about the last 30
years in terms of
the economy, the role of government, the culture of business and
relationships with employees, etc.
Efforts by government to level the playing field have not always
produced the results they intended.
It's not necessarily a takeover of any particular political view ...
it's a constant see-sawing of how much
involvement in private lives should the government have or control. Bush
II's administration made
errors just like many of those before him and will make in the future.
Economically, he happened to be
at the helm when the **** hit the fan, so to speak. It would have
happened regardless of who was POTUS.

Once in a while truth has to be interjected in all the political
posturing that takes place. Clinton did.

Eisboch


It's me. I don't disagree with Clinton, except that it is obvious the
GOP has no regard for the non-wealthy.

That's a laugh.


Did you know, by a landslide, Wall St. gave more money to the Obama
campaign, than any other in history? I wonder if the dumb fleabaggers
know that they are getting arrested and ruining their futures for a
lying piece of ****, and a political protest funded by the Unions? Dumb
dirty ****s.. I though I saw Bonnie the Pig there but the camera man
couldn't stand the smell of urine so he stopped filming him...

In article ,
says...

On 10/3/2011 6:11 PM, BAR wrote:
In articleY6WdnQX7iPciWxTTnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...

On 10/3/11 9:21 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...



In discussing how ****ed up this country now is, Bush is always on
topic. Bush ****ed up this country so badly in so many areas we likely
will never recover from the ****-ups of his presidency.

------------------------------------------------------------

I have no idea if you are the "real" Harry or not and I am not about to
waste my time checking headers, etc.
Most of these discussions aren't worth the effort of even reading.

However, I think you should consider some recent comments by Bill
Clinton. He's no dummy.
In his view, the USA has been on a cycle of change for about the last 30
years in terms of
the economy, the role of government, the culture of business and
relationships with employees, etc.
Efforts by government to level the playing field have not always
produced the results they intended.
It's not necessarily a takeover of any particular political view ...
it's a constant see-sawing of how much
involvement in private lives should the government have or control. Bush
II's administration made
errors just like many of those before him and will make in the future.
Economically, he happened to be
at the helm when the **** hit the fan, so to speak. It would have
happened regardless of who was POTUS.

Once in a while truth has to be interjected in all the political
posturing that takes place. Clinton did.

Eisboch


It's me. I don't disagree with Clinton, except that it is obvious the
GOP has no regard for the non-wealthy.

That's a laugh.


Did you know, by a landslide, Wall St. gave more money to the Obama
campaign, than any other in history? I wonder if the dumb fleabaggers
know that they are getting arrested and ruining their futures for a
lying piece of ****, and a political protest funded by the Unions? Dumb
dirty ****s.. I though I saw Bonnie the Pig there but the camera man
couldn't stand the smell of urine so he stopped filming him...

They put their money on the winning side. They didn't realize that the
winning side was going to be pushing class warfare.

On 10/3/2011 6:42 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/3/2011 6:11 PM, BAR wrote:
In articleY6WdnQX7iPciWxTTnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...

On 10/3/11 9:21 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...



In discussing how ****ed up this country now is, Bush is always on
topic. Bush ****ed up this country so badly in so many areas we likely
will never recover from the ****-ups of his presidency.

------------------------------------------------------------

I have no idea if you are the "real" Harry or not and I am not about to
waste my time checking headers, etc.
Most of these discussions aren't worth the effort of even reading.

However, I think you should consider some recent comments by Bill
Clinton. He's no dummy.
In his view, the USA has been on a cycle of change for about the last 30
years in terms of
the economy, the role of government, the culture of business and
relationships with employees, etc.
Efforts by government to level the playing field have not always
produced the results they intended.
It's not necessarily a takeover of any particular political view ...
it's a constant see-sawing of how much
involvement in private lives should the government have or control. Bush
II's administration made
errors just like many of those before him and will make in the future.
Economically, he happened to be
at the helm when the **** hit the fan, so to speak. It would have
happened regardless of who was POTUS.

Once in a while truth has to be interjected in all the political
posturing that takes place. Clinton did.

Eisboch


It's me. I don't disagree with Clinton, except that it is obvious the
GOP has no regard for the non-wealthy.

That's a laugh.


Did you know, by a landslide, Wall St. gave more money to the Obama
campaign, than any other in history? I wonder if the dumb fleabaggers
know that they are getting arrested and ruining their futures for a
lying piece of ****, and a political protest funded by the Unions? Dumb
dirty ****s.. I though I saw Bonnie the Pig there but the camera man
couldn't stand the smell of urine so he stopped filming him...

They put their money on the winning side. They didn't realize that the
winning side was going to be pushing class warfare.



That's because they didn't listen to what he was saying for the last
twenty years... Of course if the Main Stream Media was honest, none of
this would have happened...

X ` Man wrote:


In discussing how ****ed up this country now is, Bush is always on
topic. Bush ****ed up this country so badly in so many areas we likely
will never recover from the ****-ups of his presidency.


Still running with that, Harry? Many Democrats in office don't believe
that silly bull****!

-HB

On 10/3/11 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 20:01:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:19:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote:

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

That is not American soil, it is in Cuba, precisely why we put them
there. This is not an embassy. Gitmo is a particularly ambiguous
place. Legally it is simply leased from Castro, just like a base in
Japan, Germany or Turkey. We actually send them a check every year
that they refuse to cash.
We can even say we are following the laws of Cuba since locking up
political prisoners there is the normal thing to do.
Obama must see the convenient irony too since he has done nothing to
change the situation.

It was a poor attempt to subvert the American Justice system, in
particular the FISA court. A needless criminal act, which carries
ramifications to this day.


It was actually somewhat legal, particularly if they call them POWs.
That all gets back to whether this is actually a war.
If it isn't a war, why are we bombing people?
Would it be better if we just murdered these people anonymously, like
the Israelis? Perhaps.
I don't think we have much to show from the $3 trillion we spent doing
it with massive force.

Ahh, but POW rights were not extended. Oh, and we have nothing to show
for the trillions of dollars we are wasting on Iraq and Afghanistan, and
the American men and women who are killed or seriously wounded over there.

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

On 10/3/2011 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 20:01:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:19:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote:

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

That is not American soil, it is in Cuba, precisely why we put them
there. This is not an embassy. Gitmo is a particularly ambiguous
place. Legally it is simply leased from Castro, just like a base in
Japan, Germany or Turkey. We actually send them a check every year
that they refuse to cash.
We can even say we are following the laws of Cuba since locking up
political prisoners there is the normal thing to do.
Obama must see the convenient irony too since he has done nothing to
change the situation.

It was a poor attempt to subvert the American Justice system, in
particular the FISA court. A needless criminal act, which carries
ramifications to this day.


It was actually somewhat legal, particularly if they call them POWs.
That all gets back to whether this is actually a war.
If it isn't a war, why are we bombing people?
Would it be better if we just murdered these people anonymously, like
the Israelis? Perhaps.
I don't think we have much to show from the $3 trillion we spent doing
it with massive force.

I agree, we should have kept it to seal teams and covert activities...
What some folks here are forgetting is it was them that declared war on
us, then killed 3000 to show us they were not fooling...

On 10/3/11 9:52 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/3/2011 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 20:01:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:19:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote:

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

That is not American soil, it is in Cuba, precisely why we put them
there. This is not an embassy. Gitmo is a particularly ambiguous
place. Legally it is simply leased from Castro, just like a base in
Japan, Germany or Turkey. We actually send them a check every year
that they refuse to cash.
We can even say we are following the laws of Cuba since locking up
political prisoners there is the normal thing to do.
Obama must see the convenient irony too since he has done nothing to
change the situation.

It was a poor attempt to subvert the American Justice system, in
particular the FISA court. A needless criminal act, which carries
ramifications to this day.


It was actually somewhat legal, particularly if they call them POWs.
That all gets back to whether this is actually a war.
If it isn't a war, why are we bombing people?
Would it be better if we just murdered these people anonymously, like
the Israelis? Perhaps.
I don't think we have much to show from the $3 trillion we spent doing
it with massive force.

I agree, we should have kept it to seal teams and covert activities...
What some folks here are forgetting is it was them that declared war on
us, then killed 3000 to show us they were not fooling...


Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan declared war on us.

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:45:16 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 10/3/11 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 20:01:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:19:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote:

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

That is not American soil, it is in Cuba, precisely why we put them
there. This is not an embassy. Gitmo is a particularly ambiguous
place. Legally it is simply leased from Castro, just like a base in
Japan, Germany or Turkey. We actually send them a check every year
that they refuse to cash.
We can even say we are following the laws of Cuba since locking up
political prisoners there is the normal thing to do.
Obama must see the convenient irony too since he has done nothing to
change the situation.

It was a poor attempt to subvert the American Justice system, in
particular the FISA court. A needless criminal act, which carries
ramifications to this day.


It was actually somewhat legal, particularly if they call them POWs.
That all gets back to whether this is actually a war.
If it isn't a war, why are we bombing people?
Would it be better if we just murdered these people anonymously, like
the Israelis? Perhaps.
I don't think we have much to show from the $3 trillion we spent doing
it with massive force.

Ahh, but POW rights were not extended. Oh, and we have nothing to show
for the trillions of dollars we are wasting on Iraq and Afghanistan, and
the American men and women who are killed or seriously wounded over there.

Add Libya to that. And then ask yourself why you voted for the asshole spending the bucks over
there, both in treasure and blood.

On 10/4/11 12:37 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:45:16 -0400, X ` wrote:

On 10/3/11 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 20:01:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:19:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote:

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

That is not American soil, it is in Cuba, precisely why we put them
there. This is not an embassy. Gitmo is a particularly ambiguous
place. Legally it is simply leased from Castro, just like a base in
Japan, Germany or Turkey. We actually send them a check every year
that they refuse to cash.
We can even say we are following the laws of Cuba since locking up
political prisoners there is the normal thing to do.
Obama must see the convenient irony too since he has done nothing to
change the situation.

It was a poor attempt to subvert the American Justice system, in
particular the FISA court. A needless criminal act, which carries
ramifications to this day.


It was actually somewhat legal, particularly if they call them POWs.
That all gets back to whether this is actually a war.
If it isn't a war, why are we bombing people?
Would it be better if we just murdered these people anonymously, like
the Israelis? Perhaps.
I don't think we have much to show from the $3 trillion we spent doing
it with massive force.

Ahh, but POW rights were not extended. Oh, and we have nothing to show
for the trillions of dollars we are wasting on Iraq and Afghanistan, and
the American men and women who are killed or seriously wounded over there.

Add Libya to that. And then ask yourself why you voted for the asshole spending the bucks over
there, both in treasure and blood.


You are asking me why I didn't vote for Senile McCain and Bat**** Crazy
Palin? snerk

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.