On 9/14/11 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:28:10 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:19:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:55:24 -0700, wrote:

It is only disruptive if we have nazis like you and Harry are there.
As you pointed out, it is not necessarily illegal to smoke in a bar in
Florida anyway. It all depends on what kind of license they have.
If it is a restaurant that serves liquor it is illegal. If it is a bar
that serves food (AKA a cocktail lounge with a class A license) it is
up to the county.
By a like token, if it is a tobacco store with a liquor license (a
cigar bar) it is legal too.



Oh, I'm a Nazi. Thanks for clarifying! So, it's not necessarily
illegal, but you don't like ANY restrictions on YOUR rights, and to
hell with anyone else.

I support everyone's rights.

So, define MY rights to not be around a carcinogenic cloud. How do I
avoid one in a restaurant. I'm seated. Some guy waltz' in from the
smoking section, and puffs away. I'm supposed to do what? Wait for the
bouncer? Leave myself?

Yes leave, please.
If enough people did that the owner would ban smoking or he would have
a smoking restaurant and you and Harry would never come in.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you come in.


Owners of cheesy restaurants probably like a facility where smoking is
allowed, because it'll help conceal poor ingredients in and bad
preparation of the food. Why bother when the patrons can't smell or
taste what is served?


--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On 9/14/2011 1:48 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/14/11 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:28:10 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:19:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:55:24 -0700, wrote:

It is only disruptive if we have nazis like you and Harry are there.
As you pointed out, it is not necessarily illegal to smoke in a
bar in
Florida anyway. It all depends on what kind of license they have.
If it is a restaurant that serves liquor it is illegal. If it is a
bar
that serves food (AKA a cocktail lounge with a class A license) it is
up to the county.
By a like token, if it is a tobacco store with a liquor license (a
cigar bar) it is legal too.



Oh, I'm a Nazi. Thanks for clarifying! So, it's not necessarily
illegal, but you don't like ANY restrictions on YOUR rights, and to
hell with anyone else.

I support everyone's rights.

So, define MY rights to not be around a carcinogenic cloud. How do I
avoid one in a restaurant. I'm seated. Some guy waltz' in from the
smoking section, and puffs away. I'm supposed to do what? Wait for the
bouncer? Leave myself?

Yes leave, please.
If enough people did that the owner would ban smoking or he would have
a smoking restaurant and you and Harry would never come in.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you come in.


Owners of cheesy restaurants probably like a facility where smoking is
allowed, because it'll help conceal poor ingredients in and bad
preparation of the food. Why bother when the patrons can't smell or
taste what is served?


You or the little woman should learn to cook. You'd be doing us all a
favor if we didn't have to hear about or observe the ritual of "The
Krauses coming to the trough" Oink Oink

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:02:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:24:52 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:06:24 -0400, wrote:




OK I apologize, "all over the place" confused me. If you mean all over
the inside of the bar, yes the bartender or the manager if they have
one will enforce the smoking regulations or any other rules in that
bar. If it is a tough place they also have bouncers..

I still don't get your question

I hope you're wife is going to pay them extra for their extra effort.
I can just imagine bartenders chasing after smokers... around and
around the table. In the mean time, everyone else gets to breathe the
smoke.

Are you really that stupid or are you just trolling again?

The easy way bartenders have to restore order is to cut off the
offender and ban them from coming back.
.

So, I'm both stupid and a Nazi?

How do you prevent the smoker from getting into the non-smoking
section? What if they don't stub out the cig? How long do I have to
sit there waiting for the cops to show up after the person refuses to
leave?

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:06:15 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:28:10 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:19:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:55:24 -0700, wrote:

It is only disruptive if we have nazis like you and Harry are there.
As you pointed out, it is not necessarily illegal to smoke in a bar in
Florida anyway. It all depends on what kind of license they have.
If it is a restaurant that serves liquor it is illegal. If it is a bar
that serves food (AKA a cocktail lounge with a class A license) it is
up to the county.
By a like token, if it is a tobacco store with a liquor license (a
cigar bar) it is legal too.



Oh, I'm a Nazi. Thanks for clarifying! So, it's not necessarily
illegal, but you don't like ANY restrictions on YOUR rights, and to
hell with anyone else.

I support everyone's rights.

So, define MY rights to not be around a carcinogenic cloud. How do I
avoid one in a restaurant. I'm seated. Some guy waltz' in from the
smoking section, and puffs away. I'm supposed to do what? Wait for the
bouncer? Leave myself?

Yes leave, please.
If enough people did that the owner would ban smoking or he would have
a smoking restaurant and you and Harry would never come in.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you come in.

I guess you didn't read the part where it's a split restaurant and I'm
already seated in the non-smoking section. Read it again.

So, basically you're willing to infringe on my rights, and in fact I
wouldn't even be able to finish my meal. Do I get a refund on the
food? Sounds to me like your cigar is the most important thing in your
life and to hell with anyone else's rights or health.

On 9/14/11 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:06:15 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:28:10 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:19:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:55:24 -0700, wrote:

It is only disruptive if we have nazis like you and Harry are there.
As you pointed out, it is not necessarily illegal to smoke in a bar in
Florida anyway. It all depends on what kind of license they have.
If it is a restaurant that serves liquor it is illegal. If it is a bar
that serves food (AKA a cocktail lounge with a class A license) it is
up to the county.
By a like token, if it is a tobacco store with a liquor license (a
cigar bar) it is legal too.



Oh, I'm a Nazi. Thanks for clarifying! So, it's not necessarily
illegal, but you don't like ANY restrictions on YOUR rights, and to
hell with anyone else.

I support everyone's rights.

So, define MY rights to not be around a carcinogenic cloud. How do I
avoid one in a restaurant. I'm seated. Some guy waltz' in from the
smoking section, and puffs away. I'm supposed to do what? Wait for the
bouncer? Leave myself?

Yes leave, please.
If enough people did that the owner would ban smoking or he would have
a smoking restaurant and you and Harry would never come in.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you come in.

I guess you didn't read the part where it's a split restaurant and I'm
already seated in the non-smoking section. Read it again.

So, basically you're willing to infringe on my rights, and in fact I
wouldn't even be able to finish my meal. Do I get a refund on the
food? Sounds to me like your cigar is the most important thing in your
life and to hell with anyone else's rights or health.


Hey, it's the loonytarian, er, libertarian, way.

--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:15:12 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:48:14 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 9/14/11 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:28:10 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:19:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:55:24 -0700, wrote:

It is only disruptive if we have nazis like you and Harry are there.
As you pointed out, it is not necessarily illegal to smoke in a bar in
Florida anyway. It all depends on what kind of license they have.
If it is a restaurant that serves liquor it is illegal. If it is a bar
that serves food (AKA a cocktail lounge with a class A license) it is
up to the county.
By a like token, if it is a tobacco store with a liquor license (a
cigar bar) it is legal too.



Oh, I'm a Nazi. Thanks for clarifying! So, it's not necessarily
illegal, but you don't like ANY restrictions on YOUR rights, and to
hell with anyone else.

I support everyone's rights.

So, define MY rights to not be around a carcinogenic cloud. How do I
avoid one in a restaurant. I'm seated. Some guy waltz' in from the
smoking section, and puffs away. I'm supposed to do what? Wait for the
bouncer? Leave myself?

Yes leave, please.
If enough people did that the owner would ban smoking or he would have
a smoking restaurant and you and Harry would never come in.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you come in.


Owners of cheesy restaurants probably like a facility where smoking is
allowed, because it'll help conceal poor ingredients in and bad
preparation of the food. Why bother when the patrons can't smell or
taste what is served?

Show the *******s, don't go there.
This is a problem that the market can easily deal with.
If every non smoker boycotted "smoking allowed" places the market
would decide how many restaurants your cohort will support.
Unfortunately it may not be as big a number as you want to accept.

around 20% of Americans admit they smoke in surveys but sales numbers
seem to imply that number might be closer to 35-40%. I know a lot of
"non-smokers" who still smoke. You only have to look at the White
House to see that.

I do notice that the most vehement anti smoker evangelicals are former
smokers themselves who can't stand being around smoke because they
fear that they do not have the will power to resist sparking one up.

I will agree with anyone who says this is a drug addiction and it may
be harder to kick than heroin. That explains the number of people who
are hooked on the gum. (another disgusting habit). The people who
clean up the country club would much rather vacuum up a few cigarette
butts than to be scraping gum up out of the carpet and off the bottom
of the tables.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/28213/lat...ical-lows.aspx

Which bad habit kills people with regularity? Not gum chewing. Feel
free to continue to defend smoker's "rights".

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:26:16 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 9/14/11 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:48:14 -0400, X `
wrote:



Owners of cheesy restaurants probably like a facility where smoking is
allowed, because it'll help conceal poor ingredients in and bad
preparation of the food. Why bother when the patrons can't smell or
taste what is served?



Show the *******s, don't go there.
This is a problem that the market can easily deal with.
If every non smoker boycotted "smoking allowed" places the market
would decide how many restaurants your cohort will support.
Unfortunately it may not be as big a number as you want to accept.

around 20% of Americans admit they smoke in surveys but sales numbers
seem to imply that number might be closer to 35-40%. I know a lot of
"non-smokers" who still smoke. You only have to look at the White
House to see that.

I do notice that the most vehement anti smoker evangelicals are former
smokers themselves who can't stand being around smoke because they
fear that they do not have the will power to resist sparking one up.

I will agree with anyone who says this is a drug addiction and it may
be harder to kick than heroin. That explains the number of people who
are hooked on the gum. (another disgusting habit). The people who
clean up the country club would much rather vacuum up a few cigarette
butts than to be scraping gum up out of the carpet and off the bottom
of the tables.


Avoiding restaurants where smoking is allowed is not a problem in
Maryland, DC or Virginia and in many other state, since smoking is NOT
allowed, period. I think restaurant smoking is also verboten in NYC
restaurants. I don't go to bars, so whatever happens in them in
smoking is not an immediate concern to me.

I have compassion for smokers who want to quit and are having a hard
time with it. It is, as you say, a drug addiction. I have no compassion
for smokers who insist on polluting public places or in dumping their
smoking refuse on the streets. If their car ashtrays are full, they
should eat the cigarette butts.

I agree. Someone who wants to quit deserves our support, but they
don't deserve to be indulged in a public place.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:15:36 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 9/14/11 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:06:15 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:28:10 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:19:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:55:24 -0700, wrote:

It is only disruptive if we have nazis like you and Harry are there.
As you pointed out, it is not necessarily illegal to smoke in a bar in
Florida anyway. It all depends on what kind of license they have.
If it is a restaurant that serves liquor it is illegal. If it is a bar
that serves food (AKA a cocktail lounge with a class A license) it is
up to the county.
By a like token, if it is a tobacco store with a liquor license (a
cigar bar) it is legal too.



Oh, I'm a Nazi. Thanks for clarifying! So, it's not necessarily
illegal, but you don't like ANY restrictions on YOUR rights, and to
hell with anyone else.

I support everyone's rights.

So, define MY rights to not be around a carcinogenic cloud. How do I
avoid one in a restaurant. I'm seated. Some guy waltz' in from the
smoking section, and puffs away. I'm supposed to do what? Wait for the
bouncer? Leave myself?

Yes leave, please.
If enough people did that the owner would ban smoking or he would have
a smoking restaurant and you and Harry would never come in.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you come in.

I guess you didn't read the part where it's a split restaurant and I'm
already seated in the non-smoking section. Read it again.

So, basically you're willing to infringe on my rights, and in fact I
wouldn't even be able to finish my meal. Do I get a refund on the
food? Sounds to me like your cigar is the most important thing in your
life and to hell with anyone else's rights or health.


Hey, it's the loonytarian, er, libertarian, way.

You heard the applause when Blitzer asked St. Paul about the
hypothetical guy in a coma... let him die was the reaction from the
audience.

On 9/14/11 2:59 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:15:36 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 9/14/11 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:06:15 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:28:10 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:19:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:55:24 -0700, wrote:

It is only disruptive if we have nazis like you and Harry are there.
As you pointed out, it is not necessarily illegal to smoke in a bar in
Florida anyway. It all depends on what kind of license they have.
If it is a restaurant that serves liquor it is illegal. If it is a bar
that serves food (AKA a cocktail lounge with a class A license) it is
up to the county.
By a like token, if it is a tobacco store with a liquor license (a
cigar bar) it is legal too.



Oh, I'm a Nazi. Thanks for clarifying! So, it's not necessarily
illegal, but you don't like ANY restrictions on YOUR rights, and to
hell with anyone else.

I support everyone's rights.

So, define MY rights to not be around a carcinogenic cloud. How do I
avoid one in a restaurant. I'm seated. Some guy waltz' in from the
smoking section, and puffs away. I'm supposed to do what? Wait for the
bouncer? Leave myself?

Yes leave, please.
If enough people did that the owner would ban smoking or he would have
a smoking restaurant and you and Harry would never come in.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you come in.

I guess you didn't read the part where it's a split restaurant and I'm
already seated in the non-smoking section. Read it again.

So, basically you're willing to infringe on my rights, and in fact I
wouldn't even be able to finish my meal. Do I get a refund on the
food? Sounds to me like your cigar is the most important thing in your
life and to hell with anyone else's rights or health.


Hey, it's the loonytarian, er, libertarian, way.

You heard the applause when Blitzer asked St. Paul about the
hypothetical guy in a coma... let him die was the reaction from the
audience.

Would you expect anything less from right-wing dirtbags?

--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:21:42 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 9/14/11 2:59 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:15:36 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 9/14/11 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:06:15 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:28:10 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:19:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:55:24 -0700, wrote:

It is only disruptive if we have nazis like you and Harry are there.
As you pointed out, it is not necessarily illegal to smoke in a bar in
Florida anyway. It all depends on what kind of license they have.
If it is a restaurant that serves liquor it is illegal. If it is a bar
that serves food (AKA a cocktail lounge with a class A license) it is
up to the county.
By a like token, if it is a tobacco store with a liquor license (a
cigar bar) it is legal too.



Oh, I'm a Nazi. Thanks for clarifying! So, it's not necessarily
illegal, but you don't like ANY restrictions on YOUR rights, and to
hell with anyone else.

I support everyone's rights.

So, define MY rights to not be around a carcinogenic cloud. How do I
avoid one in a restaurant. I'm seated. Some guy waltz' in from the
smoking section, and puffs away. I'm supposed to do what? Wait for the
bouncer? Leave myself?

Yes leave, please.
If enough people did that the owner would ban smoking or he would have
a smoking restaurant and you and Harry would never come in.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you come in.

I guess you didn't read the part where it's a split restaurant and I'm
already seated in the non-smoking section. Read it again.

So, basically you're willing to infringe on my rights, and in fact I
wouldn't even be able to finish my meal. Do I get a refund on the
food? Sounds to me like your cigar is the most important thing in your
life and to hell with anyone else's rights or health.


Hey, it's the loonytarian, er, libertarian, way.

You heard the applause when Blitzer asked St. Paul about the
hypothetical guy in a coma... let him die was the reaction from the
audience.

Would you expect anything less from right-wing dirtbags?

No, but it was humiliating thinking that people in other countries
might experience that reaction.