On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:25:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:05:53 -0400, iBoatMore wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:52:32 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:55:08 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:29:39 -0400, wrote:


Maybe if the right wing would be willing to maintain our
infrastructure, including funding national parks and monuments, this
wouldn't have happened.

The monument was restored in 1996 Clinton must have cut corners on the
restoration.

I guess you forgot who was in control of BOTH houses in 1996...

January 3, 1995: Republicans gained control of both houses for the
first time since the 1950s.

Target paid for the restoration.

So, we're supposed to rely on Target for our national monuments?
That's what it's come to? That's what you're advocating??

Well, our government sure doesn't have the money to do it.

Actually the money to completely rebuild the monument is chump change
in a 3.8 trillion dollar budget.
I still would not be opposed to a corporation coughing up the money. I
am still not sure I want them to get naming rights.

It is a natural for Viagra tho

The easiest way to get a corp to do it is by ending subsidies to the
ones who ship jobs overseas.

On 8/26/11 4:45 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:25:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:05:53 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:52:32 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:55:08 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:29:39 -0400, wrote:


Maybe if the right wing would be willing to maintain our
infrastructure, including funding national parks and monuments, this
wouldn't have happened.

The monument was restored in 1996 Clinton must have cut corners on the
restoration.

I guess you forgot who was in control of BOTH houses in 1996...

January 3, 1995: Republicans gained control of both houses for the
first time since the 1950s.

Target paid for the restoration.

So, we're supposed to rely on Target for our national monuments?
That's what it's come to? That's what you're advocating??

Well, our government sure doesn't have the money to do it.

Actually the money to completely rebuild the monument is chump change
in a 3.8 trillion dollar budget.
I still would not be opposed to a corporation coughing up the money. I
am still not sure I want them to get naming rights.

It is a natural for Viagra tho

The easiest way to get a corp to do it is by ending subsidies to the
ones who ship jobs overseas.


We can also selectively impose tariffs. General Electric, for example,
used to make most of its household major appliances in the USA. Now they
are made in cheap labor countries. Add a tariff to the price of each GE
appliance imported equal to the difference between the cheap foreign
labor costs and a family-supporting U.S. labor cost. In other words,
remove the incentives for exporting jobs.

--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On 25/08/2011 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:12:27 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:58:06 -0600,
wrote:

On 24/08/2011 8:39 PM, Tim wrote:
Looks like the Washington monument got some pretty good cracks in it's
walls on this one....

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/...t_8641358.html

I would not doubt the cracks were already there and the quake just shook
them loose.

But not sure I would want to be too close to it when she goes.

Some better picks and details.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...wmdJ_blog.html

Maybe if the right wing would be willing to maintain our
infrastructure, including funding national parks and monuments, this
wouldn't have happened.

The monument was restored in 1996 Clinton must have cut corners on the
restoration.

I remember it was closed right after 9/11 for renovations as we went to
DC Smithsonians not a month after 9/11. Figured we would miss the
crowds and were we right.

People thought we were nuts, bunch of scared monkeys. When we got there,
2 uniforms on one corner and 2 suits on the other, with very few people
in sight, no line-ups at all. Saw more of DC in 4 days than one would
see in 2 weeks with normal crowds. Didn't see anyone even litter it was
so well organized and orderly. Got cheap rates too. Never once had to
wait in line or for a second bus.

The only way to see DC. Priceless.

But makes me wonder, can't they fix it for more than 10 years at a go?

--
If it is all Bush's fault, then how come Obama is doing much more of the
same and expecting different results?

On 25/08/2011 7:06 PM, X ~ Man wrote:
On 8/25/11 8:01 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Aug 25, 7:29 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:12:27 -0700, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:58:06 -0600,
wrote:

On 24/08/2011 8:39 PM, Tim wrote:
Looks like the Washington monument got some pretty good cracks in
it's
walls on this one....

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/...st-coast-quake...


I would not doubt the cracks were already there and the quake just
shook
them loose.

But not sure I would want to be too close to it when she goes.

Some better picks and details.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ngton-monument...


Maybe if the right wing would be willing to maintain our
infrastructure, including funding national parks and monuments, this
wouldn't have happened.

The monument was restored in 1996 Clinton must have cut corners on the
restoration.

Looks like the quake was just to much for it looking at the places
where it cracked (pics we have available). I am not sure if any
different maintenance would change that. I would guess most of the
restoration was cosmetic, probably not really structural. The original
engineering just seems to have failed..


The Washington Monument is, for all intents and purposes, an
unreinforced masonry structure and has little ability to resist the
seismic forces of a strong earthquake. I supposed a first-class
engineering firm could seismic retrofit it, but the expense would be
enormous and there would be visible differences in the monument's
appearance. There are some cast iron supports inside the monument, but
they are not sufficient to hold the structure up in case of a big quake.

In California, which has a lot of unreinforced masonry buildings,
significant retrofitting has been mandated, but the purpose of the
retrofitting has not been to protect the buildings but, instead, their
occupants. This involves installation of a new steel skeleton inside the
buildings so that when a large quake hits, the outside of the building
may fall into the street, but the inside of the building will not
collapse. That's the theory.

I'd bet that an earthquake in the "7" range would have flattened the
monument.

I would even bet 6.5.



--
If it is all Bush's fault, then how come Obama is doing much more of the
same and expecting different results?

On 8/26/11 5:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/08/2011 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:12:27 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:58:06 -0600,
wrote:

On 24/08/2011 8:39 PM, Tim wrote:
Looks like the Washington monument got some pretty good cracks in it's
walls on this one....

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/...t_8641358.html


I would not doubt the cracks were already there and the quake just
shook
them loose.

But not sure I would want to be too close to it when she goes.

Some better picks and details.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...wmdJ_blog.html


Maybe if the right wing would be willing to maintain our
infrastructure, including funding national parks and monuments, this
wouldn't have happened.

The monument was restored in 1996 Clinton must have cut corners on the
restoration.

I remember it was closed right after 9/11 for renovations as we went to
DC Smithsonians not a month after 9/11. Figured we would miss the crowds
and were we right.

People thought we were nuts, bunch of scared monkeys. When we got there,
2 uniforms on one corner and 2 suits on the other, with very few people
in sight, no line-ups at all. Saw more of DC in 4 days than one would
see in 2 weeks with normal crowds. Didn't see anyone even litter it was
so well organized and orderly. Got cheap rates too. Never once had to
wait in line or for a second bus.

The only way to see DC. Priceless.

But makes me wonder, can't they fix it for more than 10 years at a go?


They didn't do a seismic retrofit, moron.


--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:02:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/26/11 4:45 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:25:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:05:53 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:52:32 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:55:08 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:29:39 -0400, wrote:


Maybe if the right wing would be willing to maintain our
infrastructure, including funding national parks and monuments, this
wouldn't have happened.

The monument was restored in 1996 Clinton must have cut corners on the
restoration.

I guess you forgot who was in control of BOTH houses in 1996...

January 3, 1995: Republicans gained control of both houses for the
first time since the 1950s.

Target paid for the restoration.

So, we're supposed to rely on Target for our national monuments?
That's what it's come to? That's what you're advocating??

Well, our government sure doesn't have the money to do it.

Actually the money to completely rebuild the monument is chump change
in a 3.8 trillion dollar budget.
I still would not be opposed to a corporation coughing up the money. I
am still not sure I want them to get naming rights.

It is a natural for Viagra tho

The easiest way to get a corp to do it is by ending subsidies to the
ones who ship jobs overseas.


We can also selectively impose tariffs. General Electric, for example,
used to make most of its household major appliances in the USA. Now they
are made in cheap labor countries. Add a tariff to the price of each GE
appliance imported equal to the difference between the cheap foreign
labor costs and a family-supporting U.S. labor cost. In other words,
remove the incentives for exporting jobs.

No, that won't work for the right. They need a chainsaw to fix a
splinter.

On 8/26/11 7:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:02:41 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 8/26/11 4:45 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:25:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:05:53 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:52:32 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:55:08 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:29:39 -0400, wrote:


Maybe if the right wing would be willing to maintain our
infrastructure, including funding national parks and monuments, this
wouldn't have happened.

The monument was restored in 1996 Clinton must have cut corners on the
restoration.

I guess you forgot who was in control of BOTH houses in 1996...

January 3, 1995: Republicans gained control of both houses for the
first time since the 1950s.

Target paid for the restoration.

So, we're supposed to rely on Target for our national monuments?
That's what it's come to? That's what you're advocating??

Well, our government sure doesn't have the money to do it.

Actually the money to completely rebuild the monument is chump change
in a 3.8 trillion dollar budget.
I still would not be opposed to a corporation coughing up the money. I
am still not sure I want them to get naming rights.

It is a natural for Viagra tho

The easiest way to get a corp to do it is by ending subsidies to the
ones who ship jobs overseas.


We can also selectively impose tariffs. General Electric, for example,
used to make most of its household major appliances in the USA. Now they
are made in cheap labor countries. Add a tariff to the price of each GE
appliance imported equal to the difference between the cheap foreign
labor costs and a family-supporting U.S. labor cost. In other words,
remove the incentives for exporting jobs.

No, that won't work for the right. They need a chainsaw to fix a
splinter.

The ironic thing is that even though labor is cheaper in places like
China or Mexico, the high end products made there and sold here aren't
any less expensive for consumers than they would be if they were made
here. The only difference is that the manufacturer makes a lot more
profit at the expense of Americans and American workers.


--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

Tim wrote:
Looks like the Washington monument got some pretty good cracks in it's
walls on this one....

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/...t_8641358.html
Maybe that epoxy company that supplied the "Big Dig" has a cure.

North Star wrote:
On Aug 25, 9:50 am, iBoat wrote:
In article1f2dnbWQqdVcFMjTnZ2dnUVZ_sKdn...@giganews. com,
says...







iBoat More wrote:
In articleCeSdnXAyXJZTa8nTnZ2dnUVZ_gSdn...@earthlink .com,
says...
On 8/24/11 8:51 AM, iBoat More wrote:
In ,
says...
On 8/23/11 2:55 PM, iBoat More wrote:
In articleTvKdnUZZA_VGaM7TnZ2dnUVZ_hydn...@earthlink .com,
says...
The epicenter wasn't that far from the nuke plant on Lake Anna. Sure
hope there's no problem there...
Uh, it was a 5.9, there will be no problems at the nuke plant.
You have no credentials and your opinion on the matter is of no value.
News reports say the nukes were shut down and the diesel generators are
now pumping cooling water through the plant. Hopefully, there was no
damage, but it has been talked about as a possibility at Lake Anna for
years. I'm sure there will be a full inspection before the reactors are
restarted.
Yeah, ONE generator out of FOUR.... And by the way, I know quite a bit
about electrical generation. There is no damage.
There's no evidence you know anything other than how to shoot off your
mouth.
Well, Harry, would you like to have a conversation about different power
generating facilities? Care to discuss my training versus your training
in that are of expertise? I know, name calling and insulting, it's all
you know.
He will lie, of course.
Harry? Lie? Say it isn't so!! Did you notice how the coward and his side
kick backed down once again?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Back down from you??
Kevin...you do have to ease up on that Georgia Special crop.... even
if you've had a bumper year.
So you are his side kick? Go clean up your yard, Dummy.

North Star wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:40 am, iBoat wrote:
In ,
says...







On 8/25/11 7:29 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:12:27 -0700, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:58:06 -0600,
wrote:
On 24/08/2011 8:39 PM, Tim wrote:
Looks like the Washington monument got some pretty good cracks in it's
walls on this one....
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/...st-coast-quake...
I would not doubt the cracks were already there and the quake just shook
them loose.
But not sure I would want to be too close to it when she goes.
Some better picks and details.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ngton-monument...
Maybe if the right wing would be willing to maintain our
infrastructure, including funding national parks and monuments, this
wouldn't have happened.
The monument was restored in 1996 Clinton must have cut corners on the
restoration.
The monument was not retrofitted to resist earthquakes.
You can't "resist earthquakes", you idiot. You can, however, make a
building not suffer damage in a relatively strong earthquake. Mostly by
making the building less stiff.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

....and you'd know all about '"less stiff", eh Kevin?
Really, Don?