On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 14, 2:30*pm, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...





In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another
wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips.
I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm
mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister.
Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is
staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and
the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I
decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard
and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk,
WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on
the hull so I fished it out with the crab net.
This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you
guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried
it right back to me.
Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the
tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from
sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So,
I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did
get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again.

Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then
tie it up outside overnight?

No wind.

Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about
tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would
sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it
back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking?

Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little
propane gas...... brilliant.

Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to
sink a half full tank? snerk...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of
Mexico can get. When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time
is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. Even holding it
over the side leaking could be dangerous. In this case, safety takes
precedence over not littering.

I took all of 30 seconds to figure out how to do it. If the propane
tank is mostly full, it would float fairly low in the water. It
wouldn't take much to get it just below the surface.

I addressed the lack of wind, since it would be current that would
keep it away from the boat. I guess you're not much of a sailor if
you're unaware of the current direction?

Sounds to me like you were panicked, and it didn't work. Then, you
posted on here to satisfy yourself.

On 6/14/11 3:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, wrote:
In ,
says...





In ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another
wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips.
I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm
mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister.
Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is
staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and
the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I
decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard
and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk,
WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on
the hull so I fished it out with the crab net.
This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you
guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried
it right back to me.
Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the
tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from
sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So,
I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did
get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again.

Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then
tie it up outside overnight?

No wind.

Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about
tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would
sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it
back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking?

Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little
propane gas...... brilliant.

Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to
sink a half full tank?snerk...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of
Mexico can get. When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time
is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. Even holding it
over the side leaking could be dangerous. In this case, safety takes
precedence over not littering.

I took all of 30 seconds to figure out how to do it. If the propane
tank is mostly full, it would float fairly low in the water. It
wouldn't take much to get it just below the surface.

I addressed the lack of wind, since it would be current that would
keep it away from the boat. I guess you're not much of a sailor if
you're unaware of the current direction?

Sounds to me like you were panicked, and it didn't work. Then, you
posted on here to satisfy yourself.


I guess I missed the part that described the source and nature of the
gas leak. If it were a leaky valve, it would keep on leaking until there
wasn't enough gas pressure left in the tank. At that point, the tank
would be floating fairly high in the water. The leaky valve might not
have allowed water to leak into the tank.

All of Froggy's boating mishaps present to me as the ongoing saga of a
boat owner who ignores maintenance or who juryrigs maintenance so as to
get it done as cheaply as possible, without a thought to the longevity
or propriety of a repair.

I wouldn't leave the dock in Froggy's boat. If his boat has lifelines,
they're probably made from plastic coated clothesline bought at wal-mart.



--
Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where
personal insults are not allowed?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing

In article , payer33859
@mypacks.net says...

On 6/14/11 3:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, wrote:
In ,
says...





In ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another
wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips.
I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm
mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister.
Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is
staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and
the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I
decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard
and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk,
WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on
the hull so I fished it out with the crab net.
This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you
guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried
it right back to me.
Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the
tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from
sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So,
I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did
get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again.

Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then
tie it up outside overnight?

No wind.

Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about
tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would
sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it
back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking?

Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little
propane gas...... brilliant.

Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to
sink a half full tank?snerk...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of
Mexico can get. When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time
is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. Even holding it
over the side leaking could be dangerous. In this case, safety takes
precedence over not littering.

I took all of 30 seconds to figure out how to do it. If the propane
tank is mostly full, it would float fairly low in the water. It
wouldn't take much to get it just below the surface.

I addressed the lack of wind, since it would be current that would
keep it away from the boat. I guess you're not much of a sailor if
you're unaware of the current direction?

Sounds to me like you were panicked, and it didn't work. Then, you
posted on here to satisfy yourself.


I guess I missed the part that described the source and nature of the
gas leak. If it were a leaky valve, it would keep on leaking until there
wasn't enough gas pressure left in the tank. At that point, the tank
would be floating fairly high in the water. The leaky valve might not
have allowed water to leak into the tank.

All of Froggy's boating mishaps present to me as the ongoing saga of a
boat owner who ignores maintenance or who juryrigs maintenance so as to
get it done as cheaply as possible, without a thought to the longevity
or propriety of a repair.

I wouldn't leave the dock in Froggy's boat. If his boat has lifelines,
they're probably made from plastic coated clothesline bought at wal-mart.

That's because you're a coward.

On Jun 14, 3:50*pm, iBoat wrote:
In article , payer33859
@mypacks.net says...





On 6/14/11 3:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
*wrote:

On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, *wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
*wrote:

On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

*wrote:
Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another
wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips.
I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm
mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister.
Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is
staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and
the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I
decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard
and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk,
WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on
the hull so I fished it out with the crab net.
This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you
guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried
it right back to me.
Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the
tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from
sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So,
I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did
get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again.

Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then
tie it up outside overnight?

No wind.

Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about
tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would
sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it
back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking?

Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little
propane gas...... brilliant.

Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to
sink a half full tank?snerk...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of
Mexico can get. *When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time
is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. *Even holding it
over the side leaking could be dangerous. *In this case, safety takes
precedence over not littering.

I took all of 30 seconds to figure out how to do it. If the propane
tank is mostly full, it would float fairly low in the water. It
wouldn't take much to get it just below the surface.

I addressed the lack of wind, since it would be current that would
keep it away from the boat. I guess you're not much of a sailor if
you're unaware of the current direction?

Sounds to me like you were panicked, and it didn't work. Then, you
posted on here to satisfy yourself.

I guess I missed the part that described the source and nature of the
gas leak. If it were a leaky valve, it would keep on leaking until there
wasn't enough gas pressure left in the tank. At that point, the tank
would be floating fairly high in the water. The leaky valve might not
have allowed water to leak into the tank.

All of Froggy's boating mishaps present to me as the ongoing saga of a
boat owner who ignores maintenance or who juryrigs maintenance so as to
get it done as cheaply as possible, without a thought to the longevity
or propriety of a repair.

I wouldn't leave the dock in Froggy's boat. If his boat has lifelines,
they're probably made from plastic coated clothesline bought at wal-mart.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:41:40 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

All of Froggy's boating mishaps present to me as the ongoing saga of a
boat owner who ignores maintenance or who juryrigs maintenance so as to
get it done as cheaply as possible, without a thought to the longevity
or propriety of a repair.

But he's out cruising the Bahamas so he's doing something right.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:26:26 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:41:40 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

All of Froggy's boating mishaps present to me as the ongoing saga of a
boat owner who ignores maintenance or who juryrigs maintenance so as to
get it done as cheaply as possible, without a thought to the longevity
or propriety of a repair.

But he's out cruising the Bahamas so he's doing something right.

Yes, that's laudable, but he also doesn't appear to completely have
his sh*t together either.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:26:59 -0700, wrote:

But he's out cruising the Bahamas so he's doing something right.

Yes, that's laudable, but he also doesn't appear to completely have
his sh*t together either.

Fixing things with what you have on hand and dealing with the
unexpected are all part of international cruising, sometimes a big
part. The big mega yacht cruisers are maintained to a very high
degree of reliability but they generally have an engineer in the crew
and a big supply of spares on hand to keep things working.

Since we bought the trawler 7 years ago I've learned enough new
skills, and acquired the tools, to be a junior tradesman in 3 or 4
different fields.

On Jun 14, 11:01*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:26:59 -0700, wrote:
But he's out cruising the Bahamas so he's doing something right.

Yes, that's laudable, but he also doesn't appear to completely have
his sh*t together either.

Fixing things with what you have on hand and dealing with the
unexpected are all part of international cruising, sometimes a big
part. *The big mega yacht cruisers are maintained to a very high
degree of reliability but they generally have an engineer in the crew
and a big supply of spares on hand to keep things working. *

Since we bought the trawler 7 years ago I've learned enough new
skills, and acquired the tools, to be a junior tradesman in 3 or 4
different fields.

3% propane in air (by volume) is explosive. Think about that when you
think of the size of your bilge and consider that concentration can
rise quickly becaus eof the density of the propane. Then consider
that when it explodes the gas then takes up 270X the volume of the
previous air/propane mixture and you can see it can make a big
explosion for a small amount of propane. A small leaking cylinder is
a major safety hazard requiring immediate action. Even a few minutes
of a leaking cylinder can turn your boat into a bomb. By volume
propane is more explosive than gasoline and is explosive over a wider
range of concentration so is more dangerous than gasoline vapor.
You may not want to admit I am right but if thinking about it keeps
you from storing a canister on your boat then I am happy.

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...

On Jun 14, 11:01 pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:26:59 -0700, wrote:
But he's out cruising the Bahamas so he's doing something right.

Yes, that's laudable, but he also doesn't appear to completely have
his sh*t together either.

Fixing things with what you have on hand and dealing with the
unexpected are all part of international cruising, sometimes a big
part. The big mega yacht cruisers are maintained to a very high
degree of reliability but they generally have an engineer in the crew
and a big supply of spares on hand to keep things working.

Since we bought the trawler 7 years ago I've learned enough new
skills, and acquired the tools, to be a junior tradesman in 3 or 4
different fields.

3% propane in air (by volume) is explosive. Think about that when you
think of the size of your bilge and consider that concentration can
rise quickly becaus eof the density of the propane. Then consider
that when it explodes the gas then takes up 270X the volume of the
previous air/propane mixture and you can see it can make a big
explosion for a small amount of propane. A small leaking cylinder is
a major safety hazard requiring immediate action. Even a few minutes
of a leaking cylinder can turn your boat into a bomb. By volume
propane is more explosive than gasoline and is explosive over a wider
range of concentration so is more dangerous than gasoline vapor.
You may not want to admit I am right but if thinking about it keeps
you from storing a canister on your boat then I am happy.


Reply:
For those who think a 16 oz. container is not much, think how much you can
cook on a 2 burner Coleman stove with just one canister. Or how long a
propane lantern sheds light for with a single cartridge.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:34:25 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 14, 11:01*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:26:59 -0700, wrote:
But he's out cruising the Bahamas so he's doing something right.

Yes, that's laudable, but he also doesn't appear to completely have
his sh*t together either.

Fixing things with what you have on hand and dealing with the
unexpected are all part of international cruising, sometimes a big
part. *The big mega yacht cruisers are maintained to a very high
degree of reliability but they generally have an engineer in the crew
and a big supply of spares on hand to keep things working. *

Since we bought the trawler 7 years ago I've learned enough new
skills, and acquired the tools, to be a junior tradesman in 3 or 4
different fields.

3% propane in air (by volume) is explosive. Think about that when you
think of the size of your bilge and consider that concentration can
rise quickly becaus eof the density of the propane. Then consider
that when it explodes the gas then takes up 270X the volume of the
previous air/propane mixture and you can see it can make a big
explosion for a small amount of propane. A small leaking cylinder is
a major safety hazard requiring immediate action. Even a few minutes
of a leaking cylinder can turn your boat into a bomb. By volume
propane is more explosive than gasoline and is explosive over a wider
range of concentration so is more dangerous than gasoline vapor.
You may not want to admit I am right but if thinking about it keeps
you from storing a canister on your boat then I am happy.

How is said propane supposed to get in your bilge from below the water
and down current? I'm still waiting for your answer. If it's so
deadly, why did you worry about it coming back up current after you
tossed it?