What's the catch? There's one, really, and then just info which you
may
feel to be a catch, depending on how you view free stuff.

The catch is that this raft is now sitting open, ready for
certification, at
SunCoast Inflatables. If someone wants it for the cost of putting it
back
into its case ($225), it's yours. It was opened this morning, and is
rock
hard - but they require them to hold air for 24 hours, so we won't have
an
answer on that until tomorrow. This is a very busy facility, and a
week
from today, it will have to be out of there one way or another. Free
for
the packing charge, or tossed, it's not going back to the boat. More
below...

Why is it available? It's an older raft, and the contents are expired.
If
you want to update all the contents, it's expensive (in relative terms
compared to a new raft or one with current contents). It's a big raft,
suitable for offshore use, and we don't need one that big. If you want
it,
I'll throw in the mounting brackets as they're unlikely to fit any
other
canister we might buy. Ditto the sunbrella cover.

There's nothing wrong with it otherwise. It even has the log book,
which
the tech and the owner of the place tell me is nearly unheard of. The
owner, who rents rafts for offshore racers (gotta have a raft to do the
race, but the boats wouldn't ordinarily have one), said that if it were
a
valise (soft cover) type, he'd buy it from me, to rent. However, it's
not a
new raft, so it's not something he'd expect to rent out for the next 10
years.

And, that's the reason it's not going back on the boat. Barring some
catastrophe in our enthusiasm or life event, we're going to be on the
boat
the rest of our expected lives. Nearly never will we have more than 4
aboard, and we'll be aboard for a very long time - longer than the
reasonable life expectancy of this raft. So...

Want a raft on the cheap? Offshore and in a canister, with mounting
rack
and sunbrella cover? This thing is heavy (offshore is heavier than
coastal,
and there's more stuff), so to ship it would be fairly expensive - but
still
cheaper than buying one any other way. Or, you can come get it. If
you
want it, I'll keep it here if you pay the shop - because they'll not
pack it
without payment, and it has to leave their shop next Thursday.

No takers will have it in the dumpster with all usable parts removed,
and
I'll pay the condemnation fee (not condemned, but the fee they get for
taking it out and inspecting it without repacking)...

MANY pictures, inside and out, including the log and the removal and
inflation process, can be found in the April06 gallery, beginning at
#130
(http://www.justpickone.org/skip/gall...06&s tart=129).
All of these pictures can be clicked to enlarge very substantially in
case
there's something you'd like to more closely inspect.

Please have a look if it's interesting to you - there's a VERY short
fuse on
this one...

L8R

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Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely
nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing
about in
boats-or *with* boats.
In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's
the charm of it.
Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never
get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to
do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."


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This is an update and clarification on my offer to give away my raft.

First, the owner of the certification facility is unwilling to pack the
raft as it was. Regardless of what any other inspection station might
be willing to do (other interested parties have said their local
facility'd put it back like I got it), he will require a
refit/recertification. Until it's finished, he doesn't have a hard
number on the cost for that. However, it will be 1000-1200 expected,
he says. Virtually anything which can age, which causes inflation to
happen, plus all the consumables, will be replaced. In the case of the
inflation bottle, it will be hydrotested, and either refilled or
replaced, which is what I assume to be the cost variant. It also must
pass inspection - but given that it's held air for all but the last
couple of hours of the time required, and were it a valise style,
something he'd buy to rent, it seems likely that it will.

Until they have a financial commitment, they'll not proceed. However,
they're snowed under with work; please don't call them until you're
ready to commit to the recert.

If it weren't for the fact that it's aging, and we expect to be on the
boat for a very long time, I'd do it. I'd not have taken it in to
begin with, knowing the expense, otherwise; I fully expected it to
either fail, in which case I'd pay the condemnation fee, or pay
whatever it was to recertify. At worst, the cost would be only a
fraction of what a new one would cost - and even, if I were to step
down, as I intend, now, only a significant fraction of a valise-style
coastal 4-person. What I didn't know was the aging, vs failed-to-hold,
component. He'd not have offered to buy it were it a valise if it
weren't usable for some years - but we'll be out there for what might
be 20...

Second, if it requires shipping, the bottle makes it hazmat, which is
more expensive than simple weight-for-distance. They can do that, for
the extra charge. Same deal as to value received. Please note that in
no case do I get a dime. This is just to return to the groups which
have helped me in the past. But I would not have offered a pig in a
poke by not having it tested. A life raft which doesn't inflate is
worse than none, because you were expecting it to work and didn't make
other arrangements.

So, that's the bottom line. It will cost a significant sum for a free
raft - but minimally as much as a new one, and it will be certified the
day you get it.

Finally, here's a longer exposition on my decision:

What I didn't (know to) expect, but on reflection, led to my decision
to abandon it, is that, while it's still good for several years, the
rubber is starting to age. If you rub the exterior (why not the
interior, I can't figure), it isn't all smooth like the one inflated on
the floor next to mine. If you work at it, you can make it shred a bit
of stuff.

If we expected 5 or so years' cruising, I'd have gone for it. He said
it certainly (assuming it holds air and passes the inspection) would be
fine through the next inspection 3 years later. However, at some
point, the inspection will fail, and it will be condemned. It's also
6-person, and offshore, neither of which are on our horizon. Given
that new ones have 10 year warranties, and we expect to be out there
for more than that, I made the decision to go for a new 4-person,
coastal one, which will take up significantly less room, and cost only
a (significant) fraction more than recertification. We'll have to see
about where we'd store it as to valise or canister. Ideally, one could
pack a valise - if you had one, as we do - into a canister, but the guy
tells me it's somehow a different raft, and not just a different repack
pattern. The cost differential over the valise model for a canister
model is significant, and the rack is even more so. So, I'd considered
getting a valise style but keeping the can and rack. No such luck...

Knowing all I did today, I still would not have simply offered it for
free - because I have yet to see that it will pass inspection. I would
not offer a raft which could not pass inspection free or otherwise.
Now, having seen the realities of shipping, it gives me pause to
consider even an eBay or other source for my replacement, as I assume
they'd have the same issues - and, I'd not purchase one which wasn't
recently certified.

That's probably more than you wanted to know :{))

Again, please don't call them until you're ready to commit. They're
extremely busy...

L8R

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Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely
nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing,
messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats.
In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's the charm of it.
Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never
get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to
do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."


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gone...

L8R

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Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely
nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing
about in
boats-or *with* boats.
In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's
the charm of it.
Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never
get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to
do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."


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