On 6/15/11 2:57 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:51:53 -0400, wrote:

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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:21:09 -0400, wrote:

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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:24:05 -0400, wrote:

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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:02:05 -0400, wrote:


spend out of it. In 1933 they realized after the 1932 crash that
fleabagger debt spend does not work. Took 6 years of restraint to cover
the debts and recovery was slow.

really?

uh...why did the depression end in 39?

did something happen in 39? uh yeah...the US started to spend for ww2

canuck's moronic view of economics is exceeded only by his ignorance
of history

It was something called lend lease that got the factories moving again.

That was when the rest of the world was borrowing from us.

Bob, do you see the difference?


yep. typical LIBERAL KEYNESIAN economcis

-borrow and spend in bad times
-pay back in good

thanks. i already knew that

That is national suicide and we are seeing it occur right in front of
our eyes.

We have borrowed and spent our self to near insolvency.


This is a long term problem, not a short term problem. Get real.

The spending has been going on for about 100 years. It needs to stop.


Tomorrow... and screw the middle class who are going to get hurt. No
need to actually fix the problems, just screw over people. Typical
right-wing greedy asshole.

The progressive movement with its ideals that people need to be taken
care of has gotten us into this mess. People need to be told that they
are responsible for themselves and that they will no longer be given
government assistance.

The progressive movement has little to do with "people need to be
taken care of." That's the right-wing talking point on the subject.

As typical... screw the poor and the middle class. The only people who
really count are the billionaires. Well, screw you and the right-wing
agenda.

BAR had it with education after high school, and took the alternative
intellectual route with the marines.

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On 6/15/2011 3:10 PM, Harryk wrote:

BAR had it with education after high school, and took the alternative
intellectual route with the marines.


The real Harry Krause wouldn't need a crutch to establish his
intellectual superiority. Who are you?

On 14/06/2011 8:41 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:21:09 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:24:05 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:02:05 -0400, wrote:


spend out of it. In 1933 they realized after the 1932 crash that
fleabagger debt spend does not work. Took 6 years of restraint to cover
the debts and recovery was slow.

really?

uh...why did the depression end in 39?

did something happen in 39? uh yeah...the US started to spend for ww2

canuck's moronic view of economics is exceeded only by his ignorance
of history

It was something called lend lease that got the factories moving again.

That was when the rest of the world was borrowing from us.

Bob, do you see the difference?


yep. typical LIBERAL KEYNESIAN economcis

-borrow and spend in bad times
-pay back in good

thanks. i already knew that

That is national suicide and we are seeing it occur right in front of
our eyes.

We have borrowed and spent our self to near insolvency.


This is a long term problem, not a short term problem. Get real.

The spending has been going on for about 100 years. It needs to stop.


Tomorrow... and screw the middle class who are going to get hurt. No
need to actually fix the problems, just screw over people. Typical
right-wing greedy asshole.

So like a dumb**** you keep voting for the same old BS.... You know
what Einstein says about doing the same thing and expecting different
results right?
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 14/06/2011 5:20 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:24:05 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:02:05 -0400, wrote:



yep. typical LIBERAL KEYNESIAN economcis

-borrow and spend in bad times
-pay back in good

thanks. i already knew that

That is national suicide and we are seeing it occur right in front of
our eyes.

We have borrowed and spent our self to near insolvency.

actually what we did is transfer a massive amount of wealth to the
already rich

and yes, borrow and spend does work. in fact it's how the 29
depression ended.

what wrecked us is wall street taking money and turning into a non
productive liquidity trap

I have money to invest. Tell me how I should invest it?

I need a laugh.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 14/06/2011 6:40 PM, BAR wrote:
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:26:55 -0400, wrote:

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On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:01:38 -0400, wrote:

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When government gets bigger, people get smaller.

hey moron

then why have the richest 1% gotten so much bigger?

DUH!!

They are smarter than you.


and that, ladies and gents, is the essence of right wing ideology

You whine about the evil rich people yet you have a Masters degree and
you can't seem to break into the ranks of the rich.

well you're right wing and kind of stupid, (a redundancy), so let me
educate you

-in teh US, the biggest predictor of income level is your father's
income

When my father retired in 1984 as an O-5 in the US Navy, as a graduate
of the USNA and holding a MS from the US Navy PG School, I was earning
the same as he was. I was 25 years old and had no degree from anywhere.

-the US has the lowest social mobility of any country in the OECD
except the UK

Social mobility? What does that mean. I get invited to diner with the
Vanderbilt's and the Mellon's?

-the US has lower social mobility than SWEDEN

Again what is social mobility?

-a college educated person from the LOWEST QUINTILE has LESS of a
chance of breaking into the TOP quintile than a NON college educated
person whose parents are already in teh top quintile

You sure are hung up on this social mobility thing.

and yet you right wing MORONS still believe the amercan dream BULL****

I think you have a warped view of success. They guy who used to live
next door to me started out as a process server. He was a very good
process server. He then went into commercial real-estate. He is now and
executive vice president at an international commercial real-estate
corporation. He is also on the board of directors for a national
charitable organization. He has also met with, meaing actually talked
with for more than 20 minutes each, about 15 leaders of countries around
the world.

If you asked him for help he would do whatever he can to help you. But,
he is also motivated by money.


our economy today is the result of the richest 1% doing what's right
for america

Risk and reward. What are you willing to risk to receive the reward? Are
you willing to invest all of your money?

HAHAHAH he beleives that wall street EARNED the money they stole!

Did you lose money on a stock deal some time in the past? You sure do
have a hard-on for wall street.


and proof of that is they're better than we are. that's why our
economy is so strong

The proof is that they are out working rather than posting to this
newsgroup all day long, like you do.


really? uh....how did wall street WORK to earn the money they stole
you right wing moron?

Yeah, you probably invested $10,000 and lost it and now you are soured
on the stock market. Too bad you were too stupid to read the prospectus.

Do you think he had that much? LOL.

--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 15/06/2011 5:59 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:40:50 -0400, wrote:

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says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:26:55 -0400, wrote:


and that, ladies and gents, is the essence of right wing ideology

You whine about the evil rich people yet you have a Masters degree and
you can't seem to break into the ranks of the rich.

well you're right wing and kind of stupid, (a redundancy), so let me
educate you

-in teh US, the biggest predictor of income level is your father's
income

When my father retired in 1984 as an O-5 in the US Navy, as a graduate
of the USNA and holding a MS from the US Navy PG School, I was earning
the same as he was. I was 25 years old and had no degree from anywhere.

why does the right wing think their little bull**** stories have
anything to o with reality? have you ****ers looked out a window
lately?

really?

Did my father's income predict my income. Did the fact that his salary
and benefits (BAS, BAQ and pay) predict that I would be earning the same
as him when I was only 25 years old?

I am just trying to understand what you are saying.


-the US has lower social mobility than SWEDEN

Again what is social mobility?

if you dont know what it is

and are truly too stupid to google it

then you're right wing

Did you get turned down for membership at "the good marina?" Was your
lineage from the wrong side of the tracks?



-a college educated person from the LOWEST QUINTILE has LESS of a
chance of breaking into the TOP quintile than a NON college educated
person whose parents are already in teh top quintile

You sure are hung up on this social mobility thing.

AKA the 'american dream'

ever hear of it, right wnger?

I have succeeded in the American dream. I have done better than my
parents.



and yet you right wing MORONS still believe the amercan dream BULL****

I think you have a warped view of success. They guy who used to live
next door to me started out as a process server. He was a very good
process server. He then went into commercial real-estate. He is now and
executive vice president at an international commercial real-estate
corporation. He is also on the board of directors for a national
charitable organization. He has also met with, meaing actually talked
with for more than 20 minutes each, about 15 leaders of countries around
the world.

more reader's digest bull****

The guy is really interesting.


Risk and reward. What are you willing to risk to receive the reward? Are
you willing to invest all of your money?

HAHAHAH he beleives that wall street EARNED the money they stole!

Did you lose money on a stock deal some time in the past? You sure do
have a hard-on for wall street.

HAHAHAHAH aint that a shame!

how's wall street doing for us? the US doing OK

you really are stupid, arent you? and PROUD of it!!

I just checked my 401k and it is up 6% for the year.

Mine is only up 4%, but I moved a lot to cash anticipating the market
was going to reverse, and by the looks of the last 3 weeks....

Obama-debt bubble is breaking.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:48:03 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 14/06/2011 5:20 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:24:05 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:02:05 -0400, wrote:



yep. typical LIBERAL KEYNESIAN economcis

-borrow and spend in bad times
-pay back in good

thanks. i already knew that

That is national suicide and we are seeing it occur right in front of
our eyes.

We have borrowed and spent our self to near insolvency.

actually what we did is transfer a massive amount of wealth to the
already rich

and yes, borrow and spend does work. in fact it's how the 29
depression ended.

what wrecked us is wall street taking money and turning into a non
productive liquidity trap

I have money to invest. Tell me how I should invest it?

I need a laugh.

Take all your money and buy tomorrow's newspaper. If that won't cover
it, ask a friend (sorry, I didn't mean to bum you out, since I know
you don't have any), or perhaps find some loose change on the
sidewalk. Then, look for a job. Who knows. Someone might be dumber
than you and hire you.

On Jun 15, 1:51*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:46:12 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:16:47 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 14/06/2011 3:03 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:26:07 -0600,
wrote:

On 14/06/2011 11:14 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:21:23 -0400, * wrote:

In ,
says...

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:01:07 -0400, * wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:22:54 -0600,
wrote:

On 11/06/2011 6:31 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:40:36 -0600,
wrote:

meaningless.

and, of course, your method was tried

it was called the depression of 29

ever hear of it??

Actually, you dumbsh1t fleabaggers

says the right winger with a reader's digest view of economics

should read. *In 1929 they tried to
spend out of it. *In 1933 they realized after the 1932 crash that
fleabagger debt spend does not work. *Took 6 years of restraint to cover
the debts and recovery was slow.

really?

uh...why did the depression end in 39?

did something happen in 39? uh yeah...the US started to spend for ww2

canuck's moronic view of economics is exceeded only by his ignorance
of history

It was something called lend lease that got the factories moving again.

So, money was spent by the US gov't. This stabilized the economy.
Thanks for the confirmation.

It was just like any other business deal. The corporations were told
that if they made and sold the items now they would get some money down
the road. This loaded up the companies billables and they could use that
to borrow against.

Which is exactly what happens when the gov't pumps money into the
economy for things like the STIM. Jobs are created and people pay
taxes. Same with the GM/Chrysler bailouts. All those people are still
employed and paying taxes.

The best bang for your buck (other than a war) are things like food
stamps. That money returns to the economy immediately, and is a net
positive, esp. in the short term.

Look up the fine print of lend lease. *First, it was less than a
trillion dollars to end a decade long depression. *Very, very cheap and
efficient compared to Obamanomics. *And no government debt for it.

On Jun 15, 1:55*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:47:42 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:19:49 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:22:44 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:02:05 -0400, wrote:

spend out of it. *In 1933 they realized after the 1932 crash that
fleabagger debt spend does not work. *Took 6 years of restraint to cover
the debts and recovery was slow.

really?

uh...why did the depression end in 39?

did something happen in 39? uh yeah...the US started to spend for ww2

canuck's moronic view of economics is exceeded only by his ignorance
of history

It was something called lend lease that got the factories moving again.

That was when the rest of the world was borrowing from us.

Bob, do you see the difference?

Greg, do you see that the US gov't was injecting money into the
economy? Do you see why it doesn't make much difference how it does it
and that via a war isn't exactly the best way to do that... unless you
don't mind killing a lot of people in the name of profit of course.

Never mind. You're hiding. I forgot.

It is funny that when some try to tell us that the only way to make
money is to spend money. Yet it just never seems to work with
governments. They more the spend the more debt they create for everyone.

It's funny that you don't know anything about how an economy works.

Governments do not generate wealth. The only thing governments are good
at with respect to money is waste, fraud and corruption.

Wealth isn't the issue. It's the middle class who are getting screwed
and they're not interested in wealth. They're interested in short term
survival.

Wrong, wealth is the issue. Without generating new wealth you are just
moving the same money around.

Do you know where wealth comes from? It comes from natural resources.

So, someone who's barely able to feed his kids is interested in
creating wealth? Hardly. That's a long term goal, not a short term
reality.

Wealth has little to do with natural resources in the modern world...
only by association. Wealth has to do with ideas, innovation, business
acumen, and moral and ethical integrity. Try again.

So, D'Plume. by applying your logic (or rather, lack of; ) The CEO's
of the oil companies are highly ethical and moral. Obviously you
praise the Enron hierarchy!

On Jun 15, 7:13*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:46:31 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:









On 14/06/2011 8:41 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:21:09 -0400, *wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:24:05 -0400, *wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:02:05 -0400, wrote:

spend out of it. *In 1933 they realized after the 1932 crash that
fleabagger debt spend does not work. *Took 6 years of restraint to cover
the debts and recovery was slow.

really?

uh...why did the depression end in 39?

did something happen in 39? uh yeah...the US started to spend for ww2

canuck's moronic view of economics is exceeded only by his ignorance
of history

It was something called lend lease that got the factories moving again.

That was when the rest of the world was borrowing from us.

Bob, do you see the difference?

yep. typical LIBERAL KEYNESIAN economcis

-borrow and spend in bad times
-pay back in good

thanks. i already knew that

That is national suicide and we are seeing it occur right in front of
our eyes.

We have borrowed and spent our self to near insolvency.

This is a long term problem, not a short term problem. Get real.

The spending has been going on for about 100 years. It needs to stop.

Tomorrow... and screw the middle class who are going to get hurt. No
need to actually fix the problems, just screw over people. Typical
right-wing greedy asshole.

So like a dumb**** you keep voting for the same old BS.... *You know
what Einstein says about doing the same thing and expecting different
results right?

So, like a dumb****, you don't know what to do, so you blame the black
guy. The good news is that you can't even get into this country no
less vote.

The *black guy* D'Plume? You're racial prejudice is showing.