My green Ram-X 15' 6" "Explorer DLX" may not be the fastest
or most easily paddled canoe out there but, by gum, it's
extremely tough, extremely stable, and was amazingly inexpensive
to purchase at the local "Dick's" sporting goods store! Also,
it's a WONDERFUL boat for the purposes I use it for - fishing,
recreational paddling on placid park lakes, and occasional
trips down the slow, scenic rivers in the Midwest. So fie
upon all of you canoe snobs out there... I bet that my
Pelican/Coleman boat will still be in good shape and in use long
after you've repaired and repaired and thrown away your
"Ols Town", "Weneoah", et al!


I leave you with this quoting of KON -26 December, 2000 -

Our Coleman's been from PA to Maine
in the sun and in the rain
for the money
its a honey
I'd buy me another one again.

I'll praise what others berate
for our family its been great
I'll extol it
as I paddle or pole it,
the fun has been first-rate.

"Garrison Hilliard" wrote in message
news
So fie
upon all of you canoe snobs out there... I bet that my
Pelican/Coleman boat will still be in good shape and in use long
after you've repaired and repaired and thrown away your
"Ols Town", "Weneoah", et al!

Sounds like you have to try pretty hard to convince yourself you made the
right choice.... ;-)

Good paddling in WHATEVER you paddle,
Bob Scott





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Garrison Hilliard

typed in Message-ID:

My green Ram-X 15' 6" "Explorer DLX" may not be the fastest
or most easily paddled canoe out there but, by gum, it's
extremely tough, extremely stable, and was amazingly inexpensive
to purchase at the local "Dick's" sporting goods store! Also,
it's a WONDERFUL boat for the purposes I use it for - fishing,

recreational paddling on placid park lakes, and occasional
trips down the slow, scenic rivers in the Midwest. So fie
upon all of you canoe snobs out there... I bet that my
Pelican/Coleman boat will still be in good shape and in use long
after you've repaired and repaired and thrown away your

Ols Town", "Weneoah", et al!


I'm not much of a canoe snob, in fact, I generally kayak, but you get what you
pay for in canoes. Is a coleman ok to screw around on a lake or slow river?
sure it is.
But the hull is slow, turns badly and the descending keel line wears quickly.
Will it out last a "Old Town" or "Wenonah"? Not in your wildest dreams. If you
do not whitewater boat, there is no reason why any top end canoe would not last
a life time. The Old Town Discovery series are just as durable as the RamX,
maybe more so (and it's just as heavy). Even the ABS boats will hold up to
abuse, and generally about 10 lbs lighter in similar boats. You would be amazed
at just how much abuse that you can give a fiberglass boat without
any real damage.

If you are happy with you boat and that's what you can afford, fine. I'm glad
that you can get on the water. Don't kid yourself into thinking that it is the
best product for
the job.


SYOTR
Larry C.

Garrison Hilliard wrote:

My green Ram-X 15' 6" "Explorer DLX" may not be the fastest
or most easily paddled canoe out there but, by gum, it's
extremely tough, extremely stable, and was amazingly inexpensive
to purchase at the local "Dick's" sporting goods store! Also,
it's a WONDERFUL boat for the purposes I use it for - fishing,
recreational paddling on placid park lakes, and occasional
trips down the slow, scenic rivers in the Midwest.
[deletia]

Right on man! 'Tis bettter to be on the water than standin' on the shore
wishin'!

What rivers you boat in the midwest? Any in MO? We have a lot! :-) I WW
kayak mostly, but have boated most major fla****er rivers in MO too!

--
John Kuthe,
1st rule of Govt: protect people from Govt
2nd rule of Govt: protect people from each other
BUT: It must *never* become the job of Govt to protect people from
themselves!

In article , "Garrison Hilliard"
writes:

And you'd be amazed at how durable and easily repaired my Ram-X hull is,

If you are happy with you boat and that's what you can afford, fine. I'm
glad
that you can get on the water. Don't kid yourself into thinking that it is
the
best product for
the job.

But you practically said it was in your opening remark!

I think you're missing the point. The buyers of coleman canoes are generally
just like the buyers of Sea Eagle inflatable kayaks, first time buyers with
little experience or knowledge of boat performance or durablity. You don't have
to drop thousands of dollars for a decent boat and for a few hundred more than
these economy boats, you can get a boat that will perform and last a lifetime.
Take a Mohawk Nova 17, this boat list for $820 dollars direct from Mohawk and
is a far superior boat in all ways to
the Coleman. You can generally pick up the Old Town Discovery series boat for
a couple hundred under that price. While I find the extra weight of Poly hull a
bit cumbersome, the hull design on these boats are decent and the outfitting is
fair if you stay away from the plastic tractor seats.

I've had this same discussion on the inflatable side about Sea Eagles and
others.
But no matter what is said in their defense, the boat is slow, it doesn't
really have a self bailing system and the construction method is suspect. For
pretty close to the same money, you can get a far superior boat from someone
like Innova.

Do the research before you buy. You don't have to accept a poor performing boat
just because you are on a budget.


SYOTR
Larry C.

ospam (Larry Cable) wrote in message ...

But you practically said it was in your opening remark!

I think you're missing the point.

And I know that you are.

The buyers of coleman canoes are generally
just like the buyers of Sea Eagle inflatable kayaks, first time buyers with
little experience or knowledge of boat performance or durablity.

Maybe generally, but I in no way fit your assumption (when you
assume...)! I'm
an experienced boater/sailor who wanted a boat that was tough and
suited for what I wanted to do with it (fishing, park lake paddling,
minor river travel) qand the Pelican "Explorer" fit the bill! I've
used it many times and have
absolutely zilcho, nada, the big goose egg complaints about the
canoe... why are you striving so hard to say that I should?


You don't have
to drop thousands of dollars for a decent boat and for a few hundred more than
these economy boats, you can get a boat that will perform and last a lifetime.

Who says my "Explorer" won't?


Take a Mohawk Nova 17, this boat list for $820 dollars direct from Mohawk and
is a far superior boat in all ways to
the Coleman. You can generally pick up the Old Town Discovery series boat for
a couple hundred under that price. While I find the extra weight of Poly hull a
bit cumbersome, the hull design on these boats are decent and the outfitting is
fair if you stay away from the plastic tractor seats.


So for twice and a half times what I paid for my boat, I can get a.
larger-than-I-wanted canoe made of similar materials with inferior
seats? Gee, thanks!

I've had this same discussion on the inflatable side about Sea Eagles and
others.
But no matter what is said in their defense, the boat is slow, it doesn't
really have a self bailing system and the construction method is suspect. For
pretty close to the same money, you can get a far superior boat from someone
like Innova.

Which has squat to to with Pelican/Coleman canoes versus canoe snobs.

Do the research before you buy. You don't have to accept a poor performing boat
just because you are on a budget.

Nor do I have to purchase an over-priced boat to paddle just because
some fudgehead assumes that he knows what I want my boat for!

Stroyer wrote:

Oh, and then there's my canoe... it's not the fastest, the easiest
turning, it's not the lightest, and I'm still pretty new to the sport...
but I still have had a blast with my Green Pelican Explorer. It's
probably not the best at anything (but the cooler IS cool)...
but it works .... and I enjoy it. Isn't that what it's all about?
I thought it was.

I just used my lovely $279 Pelican Explorer at the Paddlefest and it
performed like a true champion, carrying myself, my bicycle, and the
oodles of promo stuff I'd gathered safely and stably down the wide Ohio,
passing many "yuppie schooners" along the way. Granted, my canoe wasn't
the first to make landfall at Cincinnati's Public Landing, but it sure
wasn't the last one to do so, either!