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Michael Daly wrote:
On 6-Aug-2003, (William R. Watt) wrote:


longer canoes are faster.



Self taught in canoe performance too? Here's a _free_ lesson and it's not from a
professional:

(from a previous post on r.b.p.t)

This statement about length is not completely true. The longer kayak/canoe will have a
greater wetted surface than the smaller for the same displacement. Hence, it will have
_more_ resistance at low speeds than the smaller one. If you take a person who is
inherently slow and put them in a longer kayak/canoe, they will likely slow even more.

If you take two kayaks/canoes and plot their speed vs resistance curves, you'll see that the
longer one will have its sharp rise in resistance occur at a higher speed than the shorter.
However, the shorter one's resistance at low speeds will be below the longer one's. If
you routinely paddle at a speed below where the two kayaks'/canoes' curves cross, you should
use the shorter. Otherwise, get the longer. (this data is published with kayak reviews
in Sea Kayaker).

Another seat-of-the-pants observer of canoe dynamics (me).

You are correct on this I think, however a couple of other key design
items make a lot more difference than simply length and wetted area to
how much effort it takes to move a boat thru the water:

- Shape of the hull. A number of canoes widen quickly in the bow and
stern to provide better bouyancy in waves. Great, but it makes for a
slower boat than a hull designed with a very fine entry, and more flare
above the waterline. Also, the bow shape for a composite boat is
usually a much finer entry into the water than a royalex/poly boat - you
can't make as narrow a bow on a molded boat. If it looks like a
johnboat, it will paddle like one as well.

- Depth of the water. Once you get past 10' or so, it isn't an issue.
The real difference comes when you are in 5' or less (suck water). The
faster you go in any condition, the bigger wave a given boat makes until
you get past displacement hull speed and climb over the bow wake. In
shallow water, the bow wave moves further back on the boat and the back
end sucks down and you paddle uphill. (Every boat - even freighters).
Shorter boats hit this point faster, since the wavelength is mostly a
function of the boat's length. The wave amplitude is a function of speed
and depth of the water.
Stability - it takes more effort to make a boat go if you are fighting
for balance. Boat design, load placement and seat height all affect the
center of gravity. However, the higher the seat, the better leverage
you can get paddling.
Paddle style and type. Without starting a J-stroke vs. Sit&Switch war,
any time you aren't pulling the boat up to the paddle, you are slowing
down. Any time you rudder, the boat is slowing down. Any time the boat
slows down, it takes more energy to accelerate it back to speed. Any
time the paddle face is past vertical, you are slowing the boat down.

Now all that said, it doesn't make a hill of beans if all you want is to
throw 2 packs, the dog and your son in the boat and head into Rangley or
the BWCA for a week's fishing and you really don't care about getting
there fast or working hard. It's all OK. *Pick a boat you really like
to paddle and feel comfortable with.* That's the best boat for you.

BTW, if I could only have one 'all around' boat, it would probably be a
Penobscot 16. As close as I've paddled to doing it all reasonably well
- in fact, I just sold our older 16 (and bought a MinnIIG).

Marsh Jones
Minneapolis

 
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