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In article ,
says...

On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:14:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote:

On May 16, 2:12*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:35:02 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"





wrote:
On May 16, 1:33 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2011 12:25:08 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2011 23:06:58 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 16 May 2011 00:25:41 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 21:18:29 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

The fact is there are more Taliban now than there were in 2002 but the
vast majority of them have no interest in attacking the US, they just
want us out of their country, just like they wanted the Soviets out.
We somehow feel the need and the right to impose our culture on them
and they don't like it.

Well, in order to have less Taliban, you have to be prepared to kill them.

Or like cockroaches they can become a bigger problem.

I do think it best to leave, but after building a monument our of
concrete. It will read.

"Live in peace, do what you want inside your borders and we will ignore
your barbarism. But take your problems to us again, this will be ground
zero."

Put it right in-front of their capital buildings. And if they ause
trouble in the future, including frug trade, nuke'em. No need to spread
American and Canadian blood for a barbaric culture.

The point is the Taliban don't really care about us one way or the
other., If we get out they will chug along in their 10th century world
without giving us a second thought.
We are fighting their birth rate and we will never kill them all.
The taliban are against the drug trade, if that is your issue. The
drugs come from the people we support.

You're wrong. They will harbor terrorists, such as bin laden if we
don't make that unsustainable for them. We're in the process of doing
that in Afg.

We don't need to "kill them all." More nonsense.

We have no real evidence that 150,000 troops on the ground is doing
much to change anything. All we have proved is if you have enough
people there we can drive the support underground.
This is another unsustainable program that we will eventually stop.
The only question is when.
A month after we leave the Taliban will be back with the propaganda
advantage of being able to point out how many friends and neighbors
the evil Americans killed. We are making them stronger, not weaker.

Hmm... well, we have Bob Gates saying it on 60 minutes, but I guess
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No, but I am sure Greg is a lot more honest...snerk

Because Gates was hired by Bush or retained by Obama?- Hide quoted text -

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No, because the 2 plus 2 equals purple.. Really, adjust your meds...

Bye bye freak...

Yeah, you really can't follow a conversation anyway.. so long slut...

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2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 

On 16/05/2011 2:03 PM, Harryk wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2011 13:03:50 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In ,
says...
On Mon, 16 May 2011 09:35:01 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

Do you see any other tree to bark up?
Raising taxes is such a pair of dirty words neither party will say it
and you have so many people on Plume's denial that nobody really even
cares. S&P tried to warn us that these bonds may be in peril and they
got shouted down. The next warning will come from the auction when
people start passing on the first couple of rounds and those interest
rates start rising. I think this could be one of those "tipping point"
things. The worse it gets, the worse it will get.
I'm going from barking to climbing.
There will 2 trees to climb when the flood waters come.
The tax tree and the reduced spending tree.
It's obvious.
Some trees are loaded up with people and offer no refuge.
The SS tree and the Medicare tree.
Those are essential to a working society.
The tax tree will probably sprout automatically when the Bush tax cuts
REALLY expire. Thats what, $4T over 10 years?

You get $3.7 B over 10 years if they all were repealed, as they should
be. The "rich guy" tax is only $70B a year assuming they can't use tax
avoidance strategies to duck some of it Unfortunately it is easier for
millionaires to dodge taxes than regular folks who make most of their
money in a W-2 so I question the estimate.
That could happen tomorrow if the congress had the will and it would
have happened if they just had the balls to do nothing earlier this
year.

Beats by far any Dem or Rep proposal.
You cut Medicare spending by reining in costs.
That's fraud and overpayment to the already socialized medical industry.
I've seen statistics that 60% of all medical costs are government paid.
So the gov has clout if they have the balls to use it.
No need to reduce medical care for seniors, but give the socialized
medical industry a haircut.

I;m OK with making that happen but not confident we ever will.

It's a tough one, but doable, especially if the money runs out.
If the health care bill isn't repealed there will be a natural
transition to a European model of health care, which will be more
competitive than the current U.S. system and lower costs.
You get rid of all the socialist subsidies to all industries except new
energy technologies.

That sounds great as a bumper sticker but most of these "subsidies"
are just tax deductions virtually all companies take. A questionable
one is the "oil depletion allowance". That basically pays oil
companies to pull oil out of the ground now instead of letting it sit
there and increase in value. The country might be better off keeping
that oil in reserve but we are always "give it to us now" people.

Cut defense spending.

And the choir says amen but we would have to cut back on our foreign
adventures and it would result in a decline in the aerospace industry.
That is why the congress fights for programs that even the Pentagon
says they do not want. The industry is smart enough to be sure any big
program spans several powerful states.

It's important that the current political gridlock continues.
Otherwise the Dems won't raise taxes enough with that stupid $250k
income limit, or the Reps will cut taxes even more and totally bury us
as they did pre-Obama.
I want them fighting so much they can't make a deal on extending the tax
cuts. Right there is $4T.
The best example of pure stupidity I've ever seen is extending those
Bush tax cuts.
Then they all whine about debt.
Never saw so many morons in one place as in DC.
Cocksuckers.


That is a pretty good analysis of the place.
Palin only made one mistake. She should have run for the Senate seat
and blown off that VP job. She is a perfect fit for congress and
nobody seems to care how dumb they are.


We'd be in the group of "over $250k" and have no objection to a
substantial and progressive federal income tax increase for those in our
category. We want it tiered, though. If we get a 10% federal tax
increase, those making a million should have a 20% tax increase.
Further, no matter how that income is derived, there should be a minimal
tax for millionaires. Oh...and no tax breaks for corporations other than
those obtained for capital purchases and hiring in this country. No
depreciation allowance for goods mostly manufactured overseas, except
for Canada and Mexico. Exporting capital overseas? 50% tax penalty on
the liquid assets moved.

It is already like that fool. Top 20% pay 80% of the taxes.

Did you know liquidating the entire NYSE would not pay of DC debt now
that Obama has added over 4 trillion in debt.

Funny, the way you talk it would be easier to liquidate completely and
go off shore. Oh wait, that is what is happening and what I did. And
can't tax them once they are gone. ;)

Then socialists can all share having nothing. Which is why he US
government is broke. Tax revenue is down big time. Low profits,
companys saying screw it, capital exiting the US markets, fewer people
working and where there are jobs for less.

Hey, fleabagger greed pooched it.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

Anybody but Obama, 2012!!
 

On Sun, 15 May 2011 21:26:22 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 14/05/2011 7:27 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:36:02 -0600,
wrote:
Hey, I don't argue Bush bowed to Saudi/Arabs.... but so does Obama,
golden handshake and Muslim bow to his Imam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUif1--r38


gee. bush destroyed the economy

but the right focuse on obama's greeting habits

shows you why america's ****ed


Pick someone decent and honest, like Ron Paul. If you want real GOOD
change, better find someone that does not profess big huge ever
ineffective government tyrants.

HAHAHAHA paul honest? I used to live in the galveston area. the man's
a certifiable kluxer from way back

Hey racist black supremacist, why don't you get a job? Too many times
in jail? McJobs for you buddy, toilet duties. Suitable for your
dysfunctional attitude. A born loser.

IOW you didnt read andrew sullivan yesterday, where he quoted
extensively from ron paul's former publication about the inferiority
of blacks

figures. you kluxers have no clue about what's happeninng

Anybody but Obama, 2012!!
 

On Sun, 15 May 2011 21:28:14 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 14/05/2011 7:29 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:31:31 -0600,
wrote:


Amazing how fleabaggers support statism and big fat government.

let's see...we have rick santorum, darling of the right, talking about
how we need 'collective' morality that focuses on god's morality

and the right says that's fine.

but let the middle class get uppity and the right has hysterical fits


Yet
fail to realize government benefits greatly from high fuel costs, more
taxes. Stupid sheep vote for the very thing they complain about.

yep, the right does it every time

socialize the risk. privatize the rewards

Only because you voted for it fleabagger.

gee. i never voted for bush. funny. you think i'm a left wing
socialist

who votes GOP

hell you're too dumb to even be an organ donor

Anybody but Obama, 2012!!
 

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 15 May 2011 21:26:22 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 14/05/2011 7:27 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:36:02 -0600,
wrote:
Hey, I don't argue Bush bowed to Saudi/Arabs.... but so does Obama,
golden handshake and Muslim bow to his Imam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUif1--r38


gee. bush destroyed the economy

but the right focuse on obama's greeting habits

shows you why america's ****ed


Pick someone decent and honest, like Ron Paul. If you want real GOOD
change, better find someone that does not profess big huge ever
ineffective government tyrants.

HAHAHAHA paul honest? I used to live in the galveston area. the man's
a certifiable kluxer from way back

Hey racist black supremacist, why don't you get a job? Too many times
in jail? McJobs for you buddy, toilet duties. Suitable for your
dysfunctional attitude. A born loser.

IOW you didnt read andrew sullivan yesterday, where he quoted
extensively from ron paul's former publication about the inferiority
of blacks

figures. you kluxers have no clue about what's happeninng

apparently you didn't listen to the traitor in the whitehouse when he
said he would raise the price of oil to "make" folks go to GE
technology, that doesn't even exist yet.. But they paid his way into the
whitehouse, so he owes them big time...

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Anybody but Obama, 2012!!
 

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 15 May 2011 21:28:14 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 14/05/2011 7:29 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:31:31 -0600,
wrote:


Amazing how fleabaggers support statism and big fat government.

let's see...we have rick santorum, darling of the right, talking about
how we need 'collective' morality that focuses on god's morality

and the right says that's fine.

but let the middle class get uppity and the right has hysterical fits


Yet
fail to realize government benefits greatly from high fuel costs, more
taxes. Stupid sheep vote for the very thing they complain about.

yep, the right does it every time

socialize the risk. privatize the rewards

Only because you voted for it fleabagger.

gee. i never voted for bush. funny. you think i'm a left wing
socialist

who votes GOP

hell you're too dumb to even be an organ donor

So now you blame Bush for the health care sellout? You are as stupid as
Harry...



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On Mon, 16 May 2011 00:14:16 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 16:07:44 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 14:48:28 -0400, wrote:


and yet the GOP got 70% of wall street money when the DEMS started to
regulate wall street. and they got a pay off. the GOP is fighting any
regulation at all.

I guess 68 is close to 70 but the point is that it was the gop going
off the reservation, fighting the bailout, so they needed the bribes.
The dems were solidly in the bag.

so it's OK when the GOP gets bribed to do wall street's bidding

but when the dems tell wall street to shove it, that proves they'e
doing what wall street wants

uh....OK...
y!

I am not running from anything. There were plenty of neocon democrats
who were eager to have a war with Iraq.
\
how many were president?

oh. zero.

Congress has to pay for those wars and there are some war resolutions
I can go look up if you really need the votes.

and how many would have done so if bush hadn't LIED??


They were the same ones who
criticized GHWB for not chasing the Iraqis all the way to Baghdad in
1991. These are the ones who are backed by AIPAC and have never seen a
war against Muslims that they didn't like.

and how many were president?

oh. zero.

how many were commander in chief?

zero.


See above.

you bet


not quite sure. GOP is more conservative than the dems are liberal, so
there's a right wing tilt to the senate:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42993395...h-health_care/

ben nelson and blanche lincoln both have ACU ratings of 48%-46%

Ah Nelson, the Cornhusker kickback guy? Great example of the flaws in
the health care bill.

yep, nelson's the most conservative dem. figures he's unprincipled

most right wingers are.

Yeah the technical detain is OBL was in Pakistan and it was not a
150,000 man army that got him., It was a small team of special ops
people. That is what we should have been doing all along.

and obama has been moving in that direction as well, which is why the
number of these operations has increased, along with increased drone
strikes. but you dont just cut and run

How many GIs have to die before you decide it is a waste of capital.

how many new yorkers have to die before you decide it wasnt?

You sound like Nixon now. Do we want "Peace with Honor"?
That cost us about 30,000 guys and we still lost.

gee. i just missed being drafted for vietnam. i got over vietnam
syndrome

you havent


and yet if we dont stablize afghanistan, the taliban will return, they
will set up operations with al qaida and we'll have pakistin and
afghanistan to deal with

The taliban is going to return. We have no way to stop them.

sure we do. we set up a dictatorship that's a ruthless killer. it's
been done before

how much luck did al qaida have in iraq?

none.


The Taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. Most of them still have never
even heard of it.

sure they did. in fact, you lost all credibility when you made that
statement

OBL was living in kabul on 9/11. when mullah omar was ordered by the
US to turn over OBL, he refused, saying OBL was a guest in afghanist

so your statement is wrong. and it's like saying the japanese had no
responsibility for hte attack on pearl harbor

That is total bull****. The japs were flying the planes that attacked
Pear Harbor. There were ZERO Taliban guys on the planes on 9-11, nor
were they really involved in the plot at all. To use your logic, we
should declare war on Pakistan today

now let's see

OBL was living in afghanistan

he planned the attack from there with his conspirators

you DO know that, if you are engaged in a conspiracy you are as guilty
if you PLAN it as those who carry it out....that's the law.

so you're an appeaser. you're the only moron ive seen who loves the
taliban



If your excuse for invading Afghanistan was just that they sheltered
OBL, what do you have to say about Pakistan?

mullah omar was the HEAD Of the taliban. and there are no nukes in
afghanistan. so there's NO eivdence the HEAD Of govt in pakistan knew
ANYTHING about OBL. the ISI certainly did, but this just means we have
to be at war with pakistan in a different way.

So you think the only reason we attacked Afghanistan is because they
don't have any nukes.

that's a pretty good start.



Killing taliban is like stepping on ants. It may make you feel like
you are doing something but you are at war with their birth rate.
Some day soon the population is going to throw Karzai out and they
will blame us for letting him stay there so long ... just like the
Egyptians

depends. if karzai is content to kill taliban and they are willing to
try and kill him, then we have a stand off. which is a win for us. as
long as we deny afghanistan to the taliban, we win.

Karzai is supporting theTaliban.That dog don't hunt.

ROFLMAO!! they're trying to kill him and he's supporting them?

uh...OK..

so far all you've told us is what great guys the taliban are and how
OBL was innocent

any other delusions you got?

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 

On Mon, 16 May 2011 00:19:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 16:09:52 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 15:06:40 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 13:17:27 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 13:13:48 -0400, wrote:


the system is broken because it serves the interest of the powerful to
have it that way. if there are no controls then it's impossible to put
any checks and balances on the 'supply side' fundamentalist right wing

and they're fine with that.

The entitlement system is broke because of demographics, no more no
less.

partially true. the collapse of our economy, engineered by the right,
is the real reason we're broke

SS/Medicare would be broke, no matter what happened to the economy.

actually...no.

SS is easily fixable. raise the salary cap and means test it and it's
stable

medicare's in a bit more of a bind

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 16 May 2011 00:14:16 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 16:07:44 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 14:48:28 -0400, wrote:


and yet the GOP got 70% of wall street money when the DEMS started to
regulate wall street. and they got a pay off. the GOP is fighting any
regulation at all.

I guess 68 is close to 70 but the point is that it was the gop going
off the reservation, fighting the bailout, so they needed the bribes.
The dems were solidly in the bag.

so it's OK when the GOP gets bribed to do wall street's bidding

but when the dems tell wall street to shove it, that proves they'e
doing what wall street wants

uh....OK...
y!

I am not running from anything. There were plenty of neocon democrats
who were eager to have a war with Iraq.
\
how many were president?

oh. zero.

Congress has to pay for those wars and there are some war resolutions
I can go look up if you really need the votes.

and how many would have done so if bush hadn't LIED??

When did Bush lie, was it ever proven in court because that's the line
you demand for democrats? In other words, your arguments are based on
intellectuality dishonest fantasy...



They were the same ones who
criticized GHWB for not chasing the Iraqis all the way to Baghdad in
1991. These are the ones who are backed by AIPAC and have never seen a
war against Muslims that they didn't like.

and how many were president?

oh. zero.

how many were commander in chief?

zero.


See above.

you bet


not quite sure. GOP is more conservative than the dems are liberal, so
there's a right wing tilt to the senate:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42993395...h-health_care/

ben nelson and blanche lincoln both have ACU ratings of 48%-46%

Ah Nelson, the Cornhusker kickback guy? Great example of the flaws in
the health care bill.

yep, nelson's the most conservative dem. figures he's unprincipled

most right wingers are.

Yeah the technical detain is OBL was in Pakistan and it was not a
150,000 man army that got him., It was a small team of special ops
people. That is what we should have been doing all along.

and obama has been moving in that direction as well, which is why the
number of these operations has increased, along with increased drone
strikes. but you dont just cut and run

How many GIs have to die before you decide it is a waste of capital.

how many new yorkers have to die before you decide it wasnt?

You sound like Nixon now. Do we want "Peace with Honor"?
That cost us about 30,000 guys and we still lost.

gee. i just missed being drafted for vietnam. i got over vietnam
syndrome

you havent


and yet if we dont stablize afghanistan, the taliban will return, they
will set up operations with al qaida and we'll have pakistin and
afghanistan to deal with

The taliban is going to return. We have no way to stop them.

sure we do. we set up a dictatorship that's a ruthless killer. it's
been done before

how much luck did al qaida have in iraq?

none.


The Taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. Most of them still have never
even heard of it.

sure they did. in fact, you lost all credibility when you made that
statement

OBL was living in kabul on 9/11. when mullah omar was ordered by the
US to turn over OBL, he refused, saying OBL was a guest in afghanist

so your statement is wrong. and it's like saying the japanese had no
responsibility for hte attack on pearl harbor

That is total bull****. The japs were flying the planes that attacked
Pear Harbor. There were ZERO Taliban guys on the planes on 9-11, nor
were they really involved in the plot at all. To use your logic, we
should declare war on Pakistan today

now let's see

OBL was living in afghanistan

he planned the attack from there with his conspirators

you DO know that, if you are engaged in a conspiracy you are as guilty
if you PLAN it as those who carry it out....that's the law.

so you're an appeaser. you're the only moron ive seen who loves the
taliban



If your excuse for invading Afghanistan was just that they sheltered
OBL, what do you have to say about Pakistan?

mullah omar was the HEAD Of the taliban. and there are no nukes in
afghanistan. so there's NO eivdence the HEAD Of govt in pakistan knew
ANYTHING about OBL. the ISI certainly did, but this just means we have
to be at war with pakistan in a different way.

So you think the only reason we attacked Afghanistan is because they
don't have any nukes.

that's a pretty good start.



Killing taliban is like stepping on ants. It may make you feel like
you are doing something but you are at war with their birth rate.
Some day soon the population is going to throw Karzai out and they
will blame us for letting him stay there so long ... just like the
Egyptians

depends. if karzai is content to kill taliban and they are willing to
try and kill him, then we have a stand off. which is a win for us. as
long as we deny afghanistan to the taliban, we win.

Karzai is supporting theTaliban.That dog don't hunt.

ROFLMAO!! they're trying to kill him and he's supporting them?

uh...OK..

so far all you've told us is what great guys the taliban are and how
OBL was innocent

any other delusions you got?



--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

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On Sun, 15 May 2011 23:04:07 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 15/05/2011 11:20 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:55:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...


either the taliban agree NEVER to ally with al qaida and other enemies
again, or we destroy them

YOU want to appease them

tell it to czechoslovakia

You say the right has done all this. Look at the facts. In the last
forty years, most of the time the democrats have had control of at least
two of the three (congress, senate, oval office), and sometimes all
three, the "right" has never had that. I do clearly remember Pelosi
though calling herself the leader of the "do nothing congress" making
sure that even though the right had been voted in, their hands were tied
with investigations and other bull****...

let's see..the GOP had TOTAL control of congress under bush. result?

a depression.

the economy grows FASTER under DEMS than it does under the GOP:

http://www.eriposte.com/economy/other/demovsrep.htm

Actually, again you are full of ****. The economy was doing ok until
the congress of 2006 when the dimwitts started printing too much money.



ROFLMAO!!!

credit default swaps...the collateralized debt obligations that blew
up the economy....went from

320 billion in 97

to SIXTY TWO TRILLION in 2007

in 10 years they expanded by a factor of 12,000%

yet you ignore that in favor of some mythology about the dems

you got proof right winger?

i just gave you the numbers about CDS's. THAT"S what killed us

and it was engineered by the RIGHT WING DEREGULATION of the banking
industy

so you're WRONG

as ususal


In essence, government caused the depression by overspending and not
paying fair interest rates on borrowed money. In a nutshell, DC started
counterfeiting its own currency.

meaningless