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Harryk May 13th 11 06:29 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -

Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.


Percy May 13th 11 06:58 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:29:20 -0400, Harryk
sent the following message
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist

who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -



Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the

presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.


It seems everybody wants to get in on the movement to neuter BHO.

Harryk May 13th 11 08:57 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:58:50 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:29:20 -0400,
sent the following message
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist

who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -


Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the

presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.

It seems everybody wants to get in on the movement to neuter BHO.


This is just making Obama stronger. If there is a split field he can
win with 40-45% (like Clinton in 92 with 43%)
I bet we see an establishment GOP candidate like Romney and a 3d party
running someone like Gary Johnson (NM).
Ron Paul will not be a serious candidate

I think the GOP has written this cycle off too, just like they did in
08.
They are still looking for a credible candidate.
They really need to find a Latino in 16 who can make the bankers happy
and still appeals to the redneck base. He will have to be able to
speak English without an accent and still be able to put commercials
on Univision/Telemundo in perfect Spanish.
The rednecks won't have a clue what he is telling them unless they can
figure out the SAP feature on their cable box.



You're assuming that Latinos who might be convinced to vote Republican
are as easily misused as, say, white conservative christians.

Harryk May 13th 11 09:03 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:21:39 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:58:50 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:29:20 -0400,
sent the following message
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist
who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -

Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the
presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.
It seems everybody wants to get in on the movement to neuter BHO.

This is just making Obama stronger. If there is a split field he can
win with 40-45% (like Clinton in 92 with 43%)
I bet we see an establishment GOP candidate like Romney and a 3d party
running someone like Gary Johnson (NM).
Ron Paul will not be a serious candidate

I think the GOP has written this cycle off too, just like they did in
08.
They are still looking for a credible candidate.
They really need to find a Latino in 16 who can make the bankers happy
and still appeals to the redneck base. He will have to be able to
speak English without an accent and still be able to put commercials
on Univision/Telemundo in perfect Spanish.
The rednecks won't have a clue what he is telling them unless they can
figure out the SAP feature on their cable box.



Actually the more I think about this, it is more like 96. The GOP will
put up the next guy in line, not expecting him to win (again think
Romney) but much like Clinton, if you are a big money republican, you
won't do much better for yourself than the guy you have now.

Think about what the fat cats got out of Clinton in his second term.
They got tax cuts, an import treaty that was great for WalMart., a
booming stock market and shredded most of FDRs financial regulation.
They would not have gotten that out of Dole, Too many democrats would
fight it.
The fat cats are thrilled with Obama.
So far Obama has restored their tax cuts, cut the FICA tax, continued
the Bush bailout, kept the lucrative wars going, started a new war,
passed a financial regulation bill that didn't really regulate much
(we still have too big to fail) and passed health reform that will
make the health care industry a lot more money.

Why would they ever want to see him go?



The demographic changes coming in this country do not favor the
Republicans.

Harryk May 13th 11 10:14 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:03:23 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:21:39 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:58:50 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:29:20 -0400,
sent the following message
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist
who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -
Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the
presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.
It seems everybody wants to get in on the movement to neuter BHO.
This is just making Obama stronger. If there is a split field he can
win with 40-45% (like Clinton in 92 with 43%)
I bet we see an establishment GOP candidate like Romney and a 3d party
running someone like Gary Johnson (NM).
Ron Paul will not be a serious candidate

I think the GOP has written this cycle off too, just like they did in
08.
They are still looking for a credible candidate.
They really need to find a Latino in 16 who can make the bankers happy
and still appeals to the redneck base. He will have to be able to
speak English without an accent and still be able to put commercials
on Univision/Telemundo in perfect Spanish.
The rednecks won't have a clue what he is telling them unless they can
figure out the SAP feature on their cable box.

Actually the more I think about this, it is more like 96. The GOP will
put up the next guy in line, not expecting him to win (again think
Romney) but much like Clinton, if you are a big money republican, you
won't do much better for yourself than the guy you have now.

Think about what the fat cats got out of Clinton in his second term.
They got tax cuts, an import treaty that was great for WalMart., a
booming stock market and shredded most of FDRs financial regulation.
They would not have gotten that out of Dole, Too many democrats would
fight it.
The fat cats are thrilled with Obama.
So far Obama has restored their tax cuts, cut the FICA tax, continued
the Bush bailout, kept the lucrative wars going, started a new war,
passed a financial regulation bill that didn't really regulate much
(we still have too big to fail) and passed health reform that will
make the health care industry a lot more money.

Why would they ever want to see him go?


The demographic changes coming in this country do not favor the
Republicans.


That really depends on who the republicans want to be in 2016. It is
interesting to me that Obama is a lot more vulnerable from the left
than he is from the right but those people are committed to vote
democratic, no matter how badly they get screwed and lied to.
I do not see any real primary challenge from the left this time.
That is one reason I think the GOP is ducking this year. They are
hoping the 2016 will end up being a food fight on the left that leaves
room for a centrist candidate with a little broader appeal than they
get with the white guys they have been running.
I do believe that by then the days of denial about the debt and
deficit will be over and that will be the main issue. I am just not
sure what the magic bullet will be to fix a 2 trillion dollar problem
and I bet the deficit will be that big if we keep kicking this can
down the road. Our current $420 billion dollar interest payment could
easily be well over a trillion by then. That would be over $3000 for
every man woman and child in the country



Well, I don't see the GOP nominating a "centrist" candidate, unless we
totally redefine centrist. The party is in the hands of those who
dislike blacks, latinos, gays, and non-christians, with an overlay of
birthers and teaparty types who, forgive me, are pretty much bat**** crazy.

The GOP won't even have "defense" to fall back upon, since it was under
the Obama administration that we did what the Republican administration
could not do...catch Osama.

Add in the GOP proposal to dump medicare...

What does that all add up to? Pretty much the end of GOP aspirations for
the White House for a long time to come, and possible loss of the U.S.
House in 2012. But that is a long shot.

Harryk May 13th 11 10:37 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 16:14:26 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:03:23 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:21:39 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:58:50 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:29:20 -0400,
sent the following message
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist
who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -
Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the
presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.
It seems everybody wants to get in on the movement to neuter BHO.
This is just making Obama stronger. If there is a split field he can
win with 40-45% (like Clinton in 92 with 43%)
I bet we see an establishment GOP candidate like Romney and a 3d party
running someone like Gary Johnson (NM).
Ron Paul will not be a serious candidate

I think the GOP has written this cycle off too, just like they did in
08.
They are still looking for a credible candidate.
They really need to find a Latino in 16 who can make the bankers happy
and still appeals to the redneck base. He will have to be able to
speak English without an accent and still be able to put commercials
on Univision/Telemundo in perfect Spanish.
The rednecks won't have a clue what he is telling them unless they can
figure out the SAP feature on their cable box.
Actually the more I think about this, it is more like 96. The GOP will
put up the next guy in line, not expecting him to win (again think
Romney) but much like Clinton, if you are a big money republican, you
won't do much better for yourself than the guy you have now.

Think about what the fat cats got out of Clinton in his second term.
They got tax cuts, an import treaty that was great for WalMart., a
booming stock market and shredded most of FDRs financial regulation.
They would not have gotten that out of Dole, Too many democrats would
fight it.
The fat cats are thrilled with Obama.
So far Obama has restored their tax cuts, cut the FICA tax, continued
the Bush bailout, kept the lucrative wars going, started a new war,
passed a financial regulation bill that didn't really regulate much
(we still have too big to fail) and passed health reform that will
make the health care industry a lot more money.

Why would they ever want to see him go?
The demographic changes coming in this country do not favor the
Republicans.
That really depends on who the republicans want to be in 2016. It is
interesting to me that Obama is a lot more vulnerable from the left
than he is from the right but those people are committed to vote
democratic, no matter how badly they get screwed and lied to.
I do not see any real primary challenge from the left this time.
That is one reason I think the GOP is ducking this year. They are
hoping the 2016 will end up being a food fight on the left that leaves
room for a centrist candidate with a little broader appeal than they
get with the white guys they have been running.
I do believe that by then the days of denial about the debt and
deficit will be over and that will be the main issue. I am just not
sure what the magic bullet will be to fix a 2 trillion dollar problem
and I bet the deficit will be that big if we keep kicking this can
down the road. Our current $420 billion dollar interest payment could
easily be well over a trillion by then. That would be over $3000 for
every man woman and child in the country


Well, I don't see the GOP nominating a "centrist" candidate, unless we
totally redefine centrist. The party is in the hands of those who
dislike blacks, latinos, gays, and non-christians, with an overlay of
birthers and teaparty types who, forgive me, are pretty much bat**** crazy.

The GOP won't even have "defense" to fall back upon, since it was under
the Obama administration that we did what the Republican administration
could not do...catch Osama.

Add in the GOP proposal to dump medicare...

What does that all add up to? Pretty much the end of GOP aspirations for
the White House for a long time to come, and possible loss of the U.S.
House in 2012. But that is a long shot.


By 2016 we are going to be taking long hard looks at SS and Medicare.



The answer is to cut back military spending, raise taxes on the wealthy,
go after medicare fraud.

Canuck57[_9_] May 14th 11 07:06 AM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On 13/05/2011 10:29 AM, Harryk wrote:
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -

Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.


Hey, we tried it the liberal debt and spend way. All to show for it is
a whole lot of ongoing forclosures, and more than $4 trillion in more
DEBT (so far as more is coming).

I would say ABO, Anyone But Obama.

Or should we use ABBO, Anybody But Barack Obama?

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

wf3h[_2_] May 14th 11 09:57 AM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:29:20 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -

Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.


the GOP is so far right that ronald reagan would be unelectable today.

wf3h[_2_] May 14th 11 09:59 AM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:59:44 -0400, wrote:



Think about what the fat cats got out of Clinton in his second term.
They got tax cuts, an import treaty that was great for WalMart., a
booming stock market and shredded most of FDRs financial regulation.
They would not have gotten that out of Dole, Too many democrats would
fight it.
The fat cats are thrilled with Obama.
So far Obama has restored their tax cuts, cut the FICA tax, continued
the Bush bailout, kept the lucrative wars going, started a new war,
passed a financial regulation bill that didn't really regulate much
(we still have too big to fail) and passed health reform that will
make the health care industry a lot more money.

Why would they ever want to see him go?


after the US right has had 30 years of fundamentalist deregulaory
plutocracy, they havent left obama much choice. this is america when
the right wing wins.

wf3h[_2_] May 14th 11 10:01 AM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Fri, 13 May 2011 23:06:22 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 13/05/2011 10:29 AM, Harryk wrote:
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -

Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.


Hey, we tried it the liberal debt and spend way.


were reagan and bush liberals? they were the biggest spenders in US
history

except canuks' too right wing to know histotry


All to show for it is
a whole lot of ongoing forclosures, and more than $4 trillion in more
DEBT (so far as more is coming).

I would say ABO, Anyone But Obama.


he'd really say ABABP...anyone but a black person


Or should we use ABBO, Anybody But Barack Obama?


Percy May 14th 11 10:48 AM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:01:03 -0400, wf3h sent the
following message
he'd really say ABABP...anyone but a black person


No. That's what you say. The fact that he is black seems to be your
only counter to critisism of him. You and plume are the only ones
playing that card anymore. Even Krause seems to have smartened up
and moved away from that dumb defensive tactic.

Percy May 14th 11 10:59 AM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 03:59:01 -0400, wf3h sent the
following message
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:59:44 -0400, wrote:






Think about what the fat cats got out of Clinton in his second

term.
They got tax cuts, an import treaty that was great for WalMart., a
booming stock market and shredded most of FDRs financial

regulation.
They would not have gotten that out of Dole, Too many democrats

would
fight it.
The fat cats are thrilled with Obama.
So far Obama has restored their tax cuts, cut the FICA tax,

continued
the Bush bailout, kept the lucrative wars going, started a new war,
passed a financial regulation bill that didn't really regulate much
(we still have too big to fail) and passed health reform that will
make the health care industry a lot more money.

Why would they ever want to see him go?



after the US right has had 30 years of fundamentalist deregulaory
plutocracy, they havent left obama much choice. this is america when
the right wing wins.


you are bat**** crazy bob but you already know that

Percy May 14th 11 11:05 AM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 01:37:36 -0400, sent the
following message
I think it is safe to assume both parties will advance"" a

candidate who
has drunk the corporate kool ade. You can get elected without about

a
billion bucks these days and there is only one place where you can

get
that kind of money.
That is why all of these guys seem to have the same financial staff.
Can anyone remember when we didn't have a senior advisor in the

White
House who wasn't from Goldman Sachs?


You just stole all of krause's thunder.

Percy May 14th 11 11:21 AM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 00:01:01 -0400, sent the
following message
On Fri, 13 May 2011 16:37:52 -0400, Harryk
wrote:



wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 16:14:26 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:03:23 -0400,


wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:21:39 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:58:50 -0400,

wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:29:20 -0400,


sent the following message
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third)

candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The

‘intellectual
grandfatherÂ’ of the tea party movement is a

constitutional purist
whoÂ’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked

by the GOP
establishment. HeÂ’s a dark horse pushing for an upset

victory.
- - -
Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the
presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt,

et cetera.
It seems everybody wants to get in on the movement to

neuter BHO.
This is just making Obama stronger. If there is a split

field he can
win with 40-45% (like Clinton in 92 with 43%)
I bet we see an establishment GOP candidate like Romney and

a 3d party
running someone like Gary Johnson (NM).
Ron Paul will not be a serious candidate

I think the GOP has written this cycle off too, just like

they did in
08.
They are still looking for a credible candidate.
They really need to find a Latino in 16 who can make the

bankers happy
and still appeals to the redneck base. He will have to be

able to
speak English without an accent and still be able to put

commercials
on Univision/Telemundo in perfect Spanish.
The rednecks won't have a clue what he is telling them

unless they can
figure out the SAP feature on their cable box.
Actually the more I think about this, it is more like 96.

The GOP will
put up the next guy in line, not expecting him to win (again

think
Romney) but much like Clinton, if you are a big money

republican, you
won't do much better for yourself than the guy you have now.

Think about what the fat cats got out of Clinton in his

second term.
They got tax cuts, an import treaty that was great for

WalMart., a
booming stock market and shredded most of FDRs financial

regulation.
They would not have gotten that out of Dole, Too many

democrats would
fight it.
The fat cats are thrilled with Obama.
So far Obama has restored their tax cuts, cut the FICA

tax, continued
the Bush bailout, kept the lucrative wars going, started a

new war,
passed a financial regulation bill that didn't really

regulate much
(we still have too big to fail) and passed health reform

that will
make the health care industry a lot more money.

Why would they ever want to see him go?
The demographic changes coming in this country do not favor

the
Republicans.
That really depends on who the republicans want to be in 2016.

It is
interesting to me that Obama is a lot more vulnerable from the

left
than he is from the right but those people are committed to

vote
democratic, no matter how badly they get screwed and lied to.
I do not see any real primary challenge from the left this

time.
That is one reason I think the GOP is ducking this year. They

are
hoping the 2016 will end up being a food fight on the left

that leaves
room for a centrist candidate with a little broader appeal

than they
get with the white guys they have been running.
I do believe that by then the days of denial about the debt and
deficit will be over and that will be the main issue. I am

just not
sure what the magic bullet will be to fix a 2 trillion dollar

problem
and I bet the deficit will be that big if we keep kicking this

can
down the road. Our current $420 billion dollar interest

payment could
easily be well over a trillion by then. That would be over

$3000 for
every man woman and child in the country

Well, I don't see the GOP nominating a "centrist" candidate,

unless we
totally redefine centrist. The party is in the hands of those

who
dislike blacks, latinos, gays, and non-christians, with an

overlay of
birthers and teaparty types who, forgive me, are pretty much

bat**** crazy.

The GOP won't even have "defense" to fall back upon, since it

was under
the Obama administration that we did what the Republican

administration
could not do...catch Osama.

Add in the GOP proposal to dump medicare...

What does that all add up to? Pretty much the end of GOP

aspirations for
the White House for a long time to come, and possible loss of

the U.S.
House in 2012. But that is a long shot.

By 2016 we are going to be taking long hard looks at SS and

Medicare.


The answer is to cut back military spending, raise taxes on the

wealthy,
go after medicare fraud.



That might be a start in the right direction but Medicare and SS are
twice all of Military spending and there simply are not enough rich
people to make up the rest. Medicare/SS payments are going to double
in a decade when the first cohort of the boomers hits the system


I have to agree with Harry. We need to bring our troops home then
stop funding Obama's wars. 2nd, we need to attack wasteful spending,
fraud, theft, and corruption in Washington. None of this will happen
until ws stop eletcting crooked politicans.

Harryk May 14th 11 12:00 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
Canuck57 wrote:
On 13/05/2011 10:29 AM, Harryk wrote:
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -

Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.


Hey, we tried it the liberal debt and spend way. All to show for it is a
whole lot of ongoing forclosures, and more than $4 trillion in more DEBT
(so far as more is coming).

I would say ABO, Anyone But Obama.

You don't have a say, dickwad.

Harryk May 14th 11 12:08 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 16:37:52 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 16:14:26 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:03:23 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:21:39 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:58:50 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:29:20 -0400,
sent the following message
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist
who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -
Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the
presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.
It seems everybody wants to get in on the movement to neuter BHO.
This is just making Obama stronger. If there is a split field he can
win with 40-45% (like Clinton in 92 with 43%)
I bet we see an establishment GOP candidate like Romney and a 3d party
running someone like Gary Johnson (NM).
Ron Paul will not be a serious candidate

I think the GOP has written this cycle off too, just like they did in
08.
They are still looking for a credible candidate.
They really need to find a Latino in 16 who can make the bankers happy
and still appeals to the redneck base. He will have to be able to
speak English without an accent and still be able to put commercials
on Univision/Telemundo in perfect Spanish.
The rednecks won't have a clue what he is telling them unless they can
figure out the SAP feature on their cable box.
Actually the more I think about this, it is more like 96. The GOP will
put up the next guy in line, not expecting him to win (again think
Romney) but much like Clinton, if you are a big money republican, you
won't do much better for yourself than the guy you have now.

Think about what the fat cats got out of Clinton in his second term.
They got tax cuts, an import treaty that was great for WalMart., a
booming stock market and shredded most of FDRs financial regulation.
They would not have gotten that out of Dole, Too many democrats would
fight it.
The fat cats are thrilled with Obama.
So far Obama has restored their tax cuts, cut the FICA tax, continued
the Bush bailout, kept the lucrative wars going, started a new war,
passed a financial regulation bill that didn't really regulate much
(we still have too big to fail) and passed health reform that will
make the health care industry a lot more money.

Why would they ever want to see him go?
The demographic changes coming in this country do not favor the
Republicans.
That really depends on who the republicans want to be in 2016. It is
interesting to me that Obama is a lot more vulnerable from the left
than he is from the right but those people are committed to vote
democratic, no matter how badly they get screwed and lied to.
I do not see any real primary challenge from the left this time.
That is one reason I think the GOP is ducking this year. They are
hoping the 2016 will end up being a food fight on the left that leaves
room for a centrist candidate with a little broader appeal than they
get with the white guys they have been running.
I do believe that by then the days of denial about the debt and
deficit will be over and that will be the main issue. I am just not
sure what the magic bullet will be to fix a 2 trillion dollar problem
and I bet the deficit will be that big if we keep kicking this can
down the road. Our current $420 billion dollar interest payment could
easily be well over a trillion by then. That would be over $3000 for
every man woman and child in the country
Well, I don't see the GOP nominating a "centrist" candidate, unless we
totally redefine centrist. The party is in the hands of those who
dislike blacks, latinos, gays, and non-christians, with an overlay of
birthers and teaparty types who, forgive me, are pretty much bat**** crazy.

The GOP won't even have "defense" to fall back upon, since it was under
the Obama administration that we did what the Republican administration
could not do...catch Osama.

Add in the GOP proposal to dump medicare...

What does that all add up to? Pretty much the end of GOP aspirations for
the White House for a long time to come, and possible loss of the U.S.
House in 2012. But that is a long shot.
By 2016 we are going to be taking long hard looks at SS and Medicare.


The answer is to cut back military spending, raise taxes on the wealthy,
go after medicare fraud.


That might be a start in the right direction but Medicare and SS are
twice all of Military spending and there simply are not enough rich
people to make up the rest. Medicare/SS payments are going to double
in a decade when the first cohort of the boomers hits the system



Well, then, we are going to have to restructure in order to accommodate
them, aren't way? It's too bad we spent and wasted trillions of dollars
on the military and military adventurism since the 1960s. We should have
used that money to implement national health care and methods to hold
down the costs of medical care. We should be much, much farther along
than we are today.

Percy May 14th 11 01:59 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 06:00:45 -0400, Harryk
sent the following message
Canuck57 wrote:
On 13/05/2011 10:29 AM, Harryk wrote:
Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy

for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional

purist who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the

GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -

Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the

presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et

cetera.

Hey, we tried it the liberal debt and spend way. All to show for

it is a
whole lot of ongoing forclosures, and more than $4 trillion in

more DEBT
(so far as more is coming).

I would say ABO, Anyone But Obama.

You don't have a say, dickwad.


As much say as you, eh. At least as far as this forum goes.
Canadians have every reason to be concerned about US politics and
politicans. Especialy our beloved BHO.

wf3h[_2_] May 14th 11 06:32 PM

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On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:59:10 -0400, Percy wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 03:59:01 -0400, wf3h sent the
following message
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:59:44 -0400, wrote:





after the US right has had 30 years of fundamentalist deregulaory
plutocracy, they havent left obama much choice. this is america when
the right wing wins.


you are bat**** crazy bob but you already know that


and that's about the level of response one gets when one challenges
the urban myths of the right

wf3h[_2_] May 14th 11 06:33 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:48:34 -0400, Percy wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:01:03 -0400, wf3h sent the
following message
he'd really say ABABP...anyone but a black person


No. That's what you say. The fact that he is black seems to be your
only counter to critisism of him. You and plume are the only ones
playing that card anymore. Even Krause seems to have smartened up
and moved away from that dumb defensive tactic.


of course it is. because it's true. given that bush wrecked this
economy, killed 4400 US troops and turned our economy over to wall
street, the efforts on the right to blame this all on the black guy
has an obvious motive

you, of course, have no rebuttal at all

wf3h[_2_] May 14th 11 06:34 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 07:59:34 -0400, Percy wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 06:00:45 -0400, Harryk
sent the following message
Canuck57 wrote:


I would say ABO, Anyone But Obama.

You don't have a say, dickwad.


As much say as you, eh. At least as far as this forum goes.
Canadians have every reason to be concerned about US politics and
politicans. Especialy our beloved BHO.


i agree. after all it was BHO who killed 4400 US troops in iraq

oh. wait that was bush

BUT it was obama who spent a TRILLION in iraq

oh. wait...bush

uh...it was OBAMA who started the depression...oh...hold on...it was
bush


yeah i can see why you think BHO is a failure

Canuck57[_9_] May 14th 11 07:14 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On 14/05/2011 10:32 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:59:10 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 03:59:01 -0400, sent the
following message
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:59:44 -0400, wrote:





after the US right has had 30 years of fundamentalist deregulaory
plutocracy, they havent left obama much choice. this is america when
the right wing wins.


you are bat**** crazy bob but you already know that


and that's about the level of response one gets when one challenges
the urban myths of the right


For fleabagger fear?
--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

wf3h[_2_] May 14th 11 07:32 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 12:56:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:01:03 -0400, wf3h wrote:

were reagan and bush liberals? they were the biggest spenders in US
history



They certainly were not fiscal conservatives


which kind of makes a mockery of the right wing claims about obama

Percy May 14th 11 07:37 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 12:32:17 -0400, wf3h sent the
following message
On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:59:10 -0400, Percy

wrote:


On Sat, 14 May 2011 03:59:01 -0400, wf3h sent

the
following message
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:59:44 -0400, wrote:





after the US right has had 30 years of fundamentalist deregulaory
plutocracy, they havent left obama much choice. this is america

when
the right wing wins.


you are bat**** crazy bob but you already know that



and that's about the level of response one gets when one challenges
the urban myths of the right


Urban myths of the right? Are you nuts? You make as much sense as
your fruitcake buddy Plume.

Percy May 14th 11 07:46 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 12:33:17 -0400, wf3h sent the
following message
On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:48:34 -0400, Percy

wrote:


On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:01:03 -0400, wf3h sent

the
following message
he'd really say ABABP...anyone but a black person


No. That's what you say. The fact that he is black seems to be

your
only counter to critisism of him. You and plume are the only ones
playing that card anymore. Even Krause seems to have smartened up
and moved away from that dumb defensive tactic.



of course it is. because it's true. given that bush wrecked this
economy, killed 4400 US troops and turned our economy over to wall
street, the efforts on the right to blame this all on the black guy
has an obvious motive



you, of course, have no rebuttal at all


Show a litte respect bob. His name isn't "the black guy". It's
obsama..

Canuck57[_9_] May 14th 11 07:51 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On 14/05/2011 10:56 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:01:03 -0400, wrote:

were reagan and bush liberals? they were the biggest spenders in US
history



They certainly were not fiscal conservatives


Agreed. But at least Reagan stopped the recession as he realized the
fundimental cause was government footprint on the people with taxes was
more than they could support.

Taxpayers are like grass, keep hair cutting them too low with no time to
grow and they disappear. Same kind of scenario with government, as it
gets too big to be supported, the economy/wages go to the crapper.

Sort of like "The Goose That Laid The Golden Eggs".

Best part, the longer this debt-corrupt-spend madness goes on, the worse
the ultimate crash will be. And the less the fleabaggers get in the end.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

I_am_Tosk May 14th 11 08:21 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:59:10 -0400, Percy wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 03:59:01 -0400, wf3h sent the
following message
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:59:44 -0400,
wrote:




after the US right has had 30 years of fundamentalist deregulaory
plutocracy, they havent left obama much choice. this is america when
the right wing wins.


you are bat**** crazy bob but you already know that


and that's about the level of response one gets when one challenges
the urban myths of the right


You call the tin hat, hyperbole you spew here a "response".. You are
bat**** crazy...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

I_am_Tosk May 14th 11 08:25 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:48:34 -0400, Percy wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:01:03 -0400, wf3h sent the
following message
he'd really say ABABP...anyone but a black person


No. That's what you say. The fact that he is black seems to be your
only counter to critisism of him. You and plume are the only ones
playing that card anymore. Even Krause seems to have smartened up
and moved away from that dumb defensive tactic.


of course it is. because it's true. given that bush wrecked this
economy, killed 4400 US troops and turned our economy over to wall
street, the efforts on the right to blame this all on the black guy
has an obvious motive

you, of course, have no rebuttal at all


Yeah, Bush (sic) shot 4400 people. When you begin a response with total
nonsense, nobody is going to take anything you say seriously. The only
President who has gone out and assinated anybody is President Obama. The
biggest difference between President Bush and President Obama is PB went
after Islamic terrorists, PO is setting up Israel for another
holocaust... The 4400 you keep talking about will be a drop in the
bucket.

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

I_am_Tosk May 14th 11 08:34 PM

Anybody but Obama, 2012!!
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 May 2011 07:59:34 -0400, Percy wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 06:00:45 -0400, Harryk
sent the following message
Canuck57 wrote:


I would say ABO, Anyone But Obama.

You don't have a say, dickwad.


As much say as you, eh. At least as far as this forum goes.
Canadians have every reason to be concerned about US politics and
politicans. Especialy our beloved BHO.


i agree. after all it was BHO who killed 4400 US troops in iraq

oh. wait that was bush

BUT it was obama who spent a TRILLION in iraq

oh. wait...bush

uh...it was OBAMA who started the depression...oh...hold on...it was
bush


yeah i can see why you think BHO is a failure


It was President Bush that told us he wanted to keep gas prices high to
feed General Electric, oh wait, that was President Obama...

It was President Bush's advisor who said "never let a good disaster go
to waste" (in reference to the gulf coast oil spill, oh wait, that was
President Obama's aide.

It was President Bush who Bowed to the Arab Sheik, and a few others,
shut down drilling all over the country while saying he was opening it
up, it was President Bush who shut down all exploration off the coast
but sent billions to Brazil to help them explore, and let the Chinese
and anyone else who wants to drill off our coast.. Oh wait, that was
President Obama....

It was President Bush who promised to shut down gitmo, get us out of
Afghanistan, then attacked Libya for Italy and France's oil interests,
sold health care to the health care industry, promised "sunshine" and
has been the very most secretive administration in history, and let's
not forget, the first piece of **** in history to personally attack
private individuals and corporations, directly from the Oval office, oh
wait, that was President Obama...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

I_am_Tosk May 14th 11 08:36 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:01:03 -0400, wf3h wrote:

were reagan and bush liberals? they were the biggest spenders in US
history



They certainly were not fiscal conservatives


And they weren't the biggest spenders in history. President Obams passed
them in the first year! This reminds me of the news. Progressives make
so many inaccurate representations in one sentence or point, you just
can't address them all...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

wf3h[_2_] May 14th 11 08:55 PM

Anybody but Obama, 2012!!
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:34:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 May 2011 07:59:34 -0400, Percy wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 06:00:45 -0400, Harryk
sent the following message
Canuck57 wrote:



BUT it was obama who spent a TRILLION in iraq

oh. wait...bush

uh...it was OBAMA who started the depression...oh...hold on...it was
bush


yeah i can see why you think BHO is a failure


It was President Bush that told us he wanted to keep gas prices high to
feed General Electric, oh wait, that was President Obama...


actually he didnt but it's nice of you to try a brazen lie...typical
of the right

It was President Bush's advisor who said "never let a good disaster go
to waste" (in reference to the gulf coast oil spill, oh wait, that was
President Obama's aide.


ah. an aide. and what did the right say about obama?

he was being too hard on BP! they insisted he apologize to the poor,
innocent oil company


It was President Bush who Bowed to the Arab Sheik


THIS is what you get from the right

bush kills over 4000 troops

but they're ****ed because obama does some imagined 'bow'



, and a few others,
shut down drilling all over the country


he did, of cousre, no such thing, but the right is FURIOUS because
they believe the middle class should be SERFS in the control of oil
companies


It was President Bush who promised to shut down gitmo


HAHAHAHAAH why didnt obama shut gitmo

BECAUSE THE RIGHT WOULD NOT PERMIT IT

, get us out of
Afghanistan,


ANOTHER LIE

obama NEVER...repeat NEVER promised to 'get us out of afghanistan'.
what he DID say is that we would be there until it was safe for us to
leave

but the RIGHT LIES about obama because he's BLACK



what an incredible moron

obama shakes the hand of an arab leader and they're OUTRAGED

bush MURDERS US troops and they shrug their shoulder and ask how it
benefits the rich

wf3h[_2_] May 14th 11 08:55 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 13:37:31 -0400, Percy wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 12:32:17 -0400, wf3h sent the
following message
On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:59:10 -0400, Percy

wrote:


On Sat, 14 May 2011 03:59:01 -0400, wf3h sent

the
following message
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:59:44 -0400, wrote:




after the US right has had 30 years of fundamentalist deregulaory
plutocracy, they havent left obama much choice. this is america

when
the right wing wins.

you are bat**** crazy bob but you already know that



and that's about the level of response one gets when one challenges
the urban myths of the right


Urban myths of the right? Are you nuts? You make as much sense as
your fruitcake buddy Plume.


would you like me to list the asshole beliefs you and the right have?


wf3h[_2_] May 14th 11 08:59 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:25:43 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:48:34 -0400, Percy wrote:
c.

of course it is. because it's true. given that bush wrecked this
economy, killed 4400 US troops and turned our economy over to wall
street, the efforts on the right to blame this all on the black guy
has an obvious motive

you, of course, have no rebuttal at all


Yeah, Bush (sic) shot 4400 people. When you begin a response with total
nonsense, nobody is going to take anything you say seriously.


gee. you say it's nonsense. your proof?

because

1. bush LIED about the WMD's in iraq. he KNEW it was a lie

2. 4400 US troops DIED as a result of that lie

so tell me, right winger, WHY is it 'nonsense'?

oh. you cant. you simply cant believe bush, a rich, white guy

would lie


The only
President who has gone out and assinated anybody is President Obama


GREAT! he had the BALLS to do what BUSH REFUSED to do

bush let osama get away

obama killed him

yet the right insists obama is a coward

why?


.. The
biggest difference between President Bush and President Obama is PB went
after Islamic terrorists, PO is setting up Israel for another
holocaust... The 4400 you keep talking about will be a drop in the
bucket.



HAHAHAHAH

obama KILLED bin laden while bush let him get away

and the right IGNORES that and claims bush killed terrorists!

BBWAHAHAHAHA!!

wf3h[_2_] May 14th 11 09:00 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:36:15 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:01:03 -0400, wf3h wrote:

were reagan and bush liberals? they were the biggest spenders in US
history



They certainly were not fiscal conservatives


And they weren't the biggest spenders in history. President Obams passed
them in the first year!


wrong. bush's last budget had a deficit of 1.2 TRILLION.

but he's white...so we can't blame him


This reminds me of the news. Progressives make
so many inaccurate representations in one sentence or point, you just
can't address them all...



HAHAHAHA and you notice he LIES about bush then blames the black guy!

Percy May 14th 11 09:45 PM

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On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:55:43 -0400, wf3h sent the
following message
On Sat, 14 May 2011 13:37:31 -0400, Percy

wrote:


On Sat, 14 May 2011 12:32:17 -0400, wf3h sent

the
following message
On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:59:10 -0400, Percy

wrote:


On Sat, 14 May 2011 03:59:01 -0400, wf3h

sent
the
following message
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:59:44 -0400, wrote:




after the US right has had 30 years of fundamentalist

deregulaory
plutocracy, they havent left obama much choice. this is

america
when
the right wing wins.

you are bat**** crazy bob but you already know that



and that's about the level of response one gets when one

challenges
the urban myths of the right


Urban myths of the right? Are you nuts? You make as much sense as
your fruitcake buddy Plume.



would you like me to list the asshole beliefs you and the right

have?

Only if you learn to punctuate and capitalise like a normal person.

Canuck57[_9_] May 14th 11 10:21 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On 14/05/2011 12:55 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 13:37:31 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 12:32:17 -0400, sent the
following message
On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:59:10 -0400,

wrote:


On Sat, 14 May 2011 03:59:01 -0400, sent

the
following message
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:59:44 -0400, wrote:




after the US right has had 30 years of fundamentalist deregulaory
plutocracy, they havent left obama much choice. this is america

when
the right wing wins.

you are bat**** crazy bob but you already know that



and that's about the level of response one gets when one challenges
the urban myths of the right


Urban myths of the right? Are you nuts? You make as much sense as
your fruitcake buddy Plume.


would you like me to list the asshole beliefs you and the right have?


Listing yourself and defumer? Appropriate assholes.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

Canuck57[_9_] May 14th 11 10:26 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On 14/05/2011 1:00 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:36:15 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:01:03 -0400, wrote:

were reagan and bush liberals? they were the biggest spenders in US
history


They certainly were not fiscal conservatives


And they weren't the biggest spenders in history. President Obams passed
them in the first year!


wrong. bush's last budget had a deficit of 1.2 TRILLION.


So was Bush signing the checks while Obama was in office?

but he's white...so we can't blame him


So is Obama being black an excuse or a reason?

This reminds me of the news. Progressives make
so many inaccurate representations in one sentence or point, you just
can't address them all...



HAHAHAHA and you notice he LIES about bush then blames the black guy!


Best part about fleabaggers is watching them while. Cheap ad free
entertainment.
--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

Canuck57[_9_] May 14th 11 10:31 PM

Anybody but Obama, 2012!!
 
On 14/05/2011 12:34 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 14 May 2011 07:59:34 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 06:00:45 -0400,
sent the following message
Canuck57 wrote:


I would say ABO, Anyone But Obama.

You don't have a say, dickwad.

As much say as you, eh. At least as far as this forum goes.
Canadians have every reason to be concerned about US politics and
politicans. Especialy our beloved BHO.


i agree. after all it was BHO who killed 4400 US troops in iraq

oh. wait that was bush

BUT it was obama who spent a TRILLION in iraq

oh. wait...bush

uh...it was OBAMA who started the depression...oh...hold on...it was
bush


yeah i can see why you think BHO is a failure


It was President Bush that told us he wanted to keep gas prices high to
feed General Electric, oh wait, that was President Obama...

It was President Bush's advisor who said "never let a good disaster go
to waste" (in reference to the gulf coast oil spill, oh wait, that was
President Obama's aide.

It was President Bush who Bowed to the Arab Sheik, and a few others,
shut down drilling all over the country while saying he was opening it
up, it was President Bush who shut down all exploration off the coast
but sent billions to Brazil to help them explore, and let the Chinese
and anyone else who wants to drill off our coast.. Oh wait, that was
President Obama....

It was President Bush who promised to shut down gitmo, get us out of
Afghanistan, then attacked Libya for Italy and France's oil interests,
sold health care to the health care industry, promised "sunshine" and
has been the very most secretive administration in history, and let's
not forget, the first piece of **** in history to personally attack
private individuals and corporations, directly from the Oval office, oh
wait, that was President Obama...


Amazing how fleabaggers support statism and big fat government. Yet
fail to realize government benefits greatly from high fuel costs, more
taxes. Stupid sheep vote for the very thing they complain about.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

Canuck57[_9_] May 14th 11 10:36 PM

Anybody but Obama, 2012!!
 
On 14/05/2011 12:55 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:34:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sat, 14 May 2011 07:59:34 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 06:00:45 -0400,
sent the following message
Canuck57 wrote:



BUT it was obama who spent a TRILLION in iraq

oh. wait...bush

uh...it was OBAMA who started the depression...oh...hold on...it was
bush


yeah i can see why you think BHO is a failure


It was President Bush that told us he wanted to keep gas prices high to
feed General Electric, oh wait, that was President Obama...


actually he didnt but it's nice of you to try a brazen lie...typical
of the right

It was President Bush's advisor who said "never let a good disaster go
to waste" (in reference to the gulf coast oil spill, oh wait, that was
President Obama's aide.


ah. an aide. and what did the right say about obama?

he was being too hard on BP! they insisted he apologize to the poor,
innocent oil company


It was President Bush who Bowed to the Arab Sheik


THIS is what you get from the right

bush kills over 4000 troops

but they're ****ed because obama does some imagined 'bow'



, and a few others,
shut down drilling all over the country


he did, of cousre, no such thing, but the right is FURIOUS because
they believe the middle class should be SERFS in the control of oil
companies


It was President Bush who promised to shut down gitmo


HAHAHAHAAH why didnt obama shut gitmo

BECAUSE THE RIGHT WOULD NOT PERMIT IT

, get us out of
Afghanistan,


ANOTHER LIE

obama NEVER...repeat NEVER promised to 'get us out of afghanistan'.
what he DID say is that we would be there until it was safe for us to
leave

but the RIGHT LIES about obama because he's BLACK



what an incredible moron

obama shakes the hand of an arab leader and they're OUTRAGED

bush MURDERS US troops and they shrug their shoulder and ask how it
benefits the rich


Hey, I don't argue Bush bowed to Saudi/Arabs.... but so does Obama,
golden handshake and Muslim bow to his Imam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUif1--r38

So your point? Hell, all of DC is corrupt. They will assure the
choices you fleabaggers have will keep you poor slaves. And like sheep,
you will vote for your new slave-master.

Pick someone decent and honest, like Ron Paul. If you want real GOOD
change, better find someone that does not profess big huge ever
ineffective government tyrants.
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Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

Canuck57[_9_] May 14th 11 11:25 PM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On 14/05/2011 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 13:32:22 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 12:56:52 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:01:03 -0400, wrote:

were reagan and bush liberals? they were the biggest spenders in US
history


They certainly were not fiscal conservatives


which kind of makes a mockery of the right wing claims about obama


If you are a big business, Wall Street, insurance company, medical
conglomerate, neocon war mongering kind of republican you have to
love Obama. So far he is GW Bush with a tan. (the 5th Bush Brother)

That is why the attacks are so superficial.


Yep, Obama, bailing out the corrupt. I liked Bush until TARP. After
TARP, just another corrupt idiot, like Obama.

Problem is US needs a president with balls to do the right thing. Just
come out and say it, "Bailouts are a form of corruption and I will not
willingly just bend over and do it!". Congress and the senate would
have to force it.

Get some decency into government, a president that represents the middle
class, not the lazy fleabagger class and not the corrupt class, the real
people that make the country work.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

Wayne B May 15th 11 12:51 AM

2nd Kook Seeks GOP Nomination
 
On Sat, 14 May 2011 15:25:08 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

Get some decency into government, a president that represents the middle
class, not the lazy fleabagger class and not the corrupt class, the real
people that make the country work.


Wouldn't that be nice. I haven't seen much hope and change on the
horizon however. All of the wannabe republican candidates are right
wing whackos and the democrats are the same old tax and spend bunch.

I wish Bill Clinton would run again or perhaps we could dig up Harry
Truman and revive him, conservative democrats so to speak. Where's
Barry Goldwater when we need him? He'd look like like a liberal these
days.


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