"Harryk" wrote in message ...

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On Mon, 2 May 2011 16:54:41 -0700, "Califbill"
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"Harryk" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
On 02/05/2011 8:23 AM, Harryk wrote:
May 2, 2011
2012 Election Cancelled
Obama Buoyed by 100 Percent Approval Rating
Wait until people learn how long it took Obama to authorize it. Some
stuff I have read indicates Obama knew since August last year.
Oh, please. It was obviously a deliberate plan, executed deliberately.

Go **** yourself.


Reply:
Obama got up there and basically took all the credit for himself. Bad
karma
ego. He should have given credit to those who did the job. From the
Seals,
through the intelligent community.

You get on your computer and make yourself look like what you are... a
moron.

The righties are rip**** that obama isn't soft on defense and
accomplished the capture of Obama, which their hero, Bush, failed to do
in seven years.


Reply:
Just like Obama. Giving all the credit to Obama. Are you sure you are not
a DNC sock puppet?

On Mon, 2 May 2011 19:32:08 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Harryk" wrote in message ...

wrote:
On Mon, 2 May 2011 16:54:41 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Harryk" wrote in message
...

Canuck57 wrote:
On 02/05/2011 8:23 AM, Harryk wrote:
May 2, 2011
2012 Election Cancelled
Obama Buoyed by 100 Percent Approval Rating
Wait until people learn how long it took Obama to authorize it. Some
stuff I have read indicates Obama knew since August last year.
Oh, please. It was obviously a deliberate plan, executed deliberately.

Go **** yourself.


Reply:
Obama got up there and basically took all the credit for himself. Bad
karma
ego. He should have given credit to those who did the job. From the
Seals,
through the intelligent community.

You get on your computer and make yourself look like what you are... a
moron.

The righties are rip**** that obama isn't soft on defense and
accomplished the capture of Obama, which their hero, Bush, failed to do
in seven years.


Reply:
Just like Obama. Giving all the credit to Obama. Are you sure you are not
a DNC sock puppet?

So, you're claiming that Obama didn't take a huge risk, on the order
of Carter's risk to free the hostages?

What risk did Bush take? He was on vacation for 1/3 of his presidency.

On Tue, 03 May 2011 00:52:15 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 02 May 2011 21:22:30 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 2 May 2011 19:32:08 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:


So, you're claiming that Obama didn't take a huge risk, on the order
of Carter's risk to free the hostages?

Actually I give Obama high marks for doing this right so it wasn't the
cluster**** Carter had at desert 1.

You're blaming Carter for the desert operation? He tried but it didn't
work.

He used the right helicopters and the people who went on the mission
were well trained. The story is they actually built a full sized mock
up and practiced this until they had it down cold

I believe things have changed a bit since Carter. Carter did what he
could.

If I was a terrorist I might laugh at 150,000 regular GIs but 2 dozen
SEALs would scare the **** out of me.

What risk did Bush take?

Invading Iraq?

You mean lying and expecting not to get caught.

He was on vacation for 1/3 of his presidency.

Does any president ever really get a vacation? The presidency follows
them wherever they go or I would really be worried about them walking
around natural disaster sites in Fumbuck kicking rubble.

He was sitting on his ranch enjoying himself. I'm sure he had lots of
interaction with all his policy makers and Congress in DC, at least in
between riding around his ranch and watching TV.

Feel free to defend him, but the fact is that he was AWOL and I'm not
talking about his "service" in the Texas Air National Guard.

In article ,
says...

He was sitting on his ranch enjoying himself. I'm sure he had lots of
interaction with all his policy makers and Congress in DC, at least in
between riding around his ranch and watching TV.

Feel free to defend him, but the fact is that he was AWOL and I'm not
talking about his "service" in the Texas Air National Guard.

Before 9/11 GWB spent most of his time goofing off at his ranch.
He had Congress cut taxes and keep spending to start the destruction of
the American economy.
His polled popularity was sinking fast as people became aware he was an
empty suit.
Then came 9/11.
9/11 made GWB.
I turned around and supported him. No choice as an American.
Then he invaded Iraq and I flip-flopped again.

On Tue, 3 May 2011 05:27:08 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

He was sitting on his ranch enjoying himself. I'm sure he had lots of
interaction with all his policy makers and Congress in DC, at least in
between riding around his ranch and watching TV.

Feel free to defend him, but the fact is that he was AWOL and I'm not
talking about his "service" in the Texas Air National Guard.

Before 9/11 GWB spent most of his time goofing off at his ranch.
He had Congress cut taxes and keep spending to start the destruction of
the American economy.
His polled popularity was sinking fast as people became aware he was an
empty suit.
Then came 9/11.
9/11 made GWB.
I turned around and supported him. No choice as an American.
Then he invaded Iraq and I flip-flopped again.



Yes, I did also. He had something like 90% approval ratings. Then, he
squandered everything, including support abroad.

On Tue, 03 May 2011 11:06:50 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 02 May 2011 23:15:33 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 00:52:15 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 02 May 2011 21:22:30 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 2 May 2011 19:32:08 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:


So, you're claiming that Obama didn't take a huge risk, on the order
of Carter's risk to free the hostages?

Actually I give Obama high marks for doing this right so it wasn't the
cluster**** Carter had at desert 1.

You're blaming Carter for the desert operation? He tried but it didn't
work.

If Obama did this, Carter did that one. You can't have it both ways.

Huh? The both did both. Obama made a decisive decision, and so did
Carter. What honest decision did Bush make? None that I can think of.


He used the right helicopters and the people who went on the mission
were well trained. The story is they actually built a full sized mock
up and practiced this until they had it down cold

I believe things have changed a bit since Carter. Carter did what he
could.

He could have use a ground attack helicopter with air filters on the
engine intakes instead of the mine sweeping Sea Stallions they used.

He? So Carter was the one who decided what type of helicopter was
used? On what planet?


If I was a terrorist I might laugh at 150,000 regular GIs but 2 dozen
SEALs would scare the **** out of me.

What risk did Bush take?

Invading Iraq?

You mean lying and expecting not to get caught.

I think he just believed what he was told. The intel came from the
Brits and we know now it was bogus. Why not blame them a little. Again
you want this both ways. On one hand you think he was totally out of
touch and didn't know anything and then you have him being some kind
of evil genius

He and/or Cheney fabricated the intelligence to suit his desire. You
don't have to be particularly smart to foster lies.

He was on vacation for 1/3 of his presidency.

Does any president ever really get a vacation? The presidency follows
them wherever they go or I would really be worried about them walking
around natural disaster sites in Fumbuck kicking rubble.

He was sitting on his ranch enjoying himself. I'm sure he had lots of
interaction with all his policy makers and Congress in DC, at least in
between riding around his ranch and watching TV.

Feel free to defend him, but the fact is that he was AWOL and I'm not
talking about his "service" in the Texas Air National Guard.

It is just clear you do not understand how the president, any
president, travels. The White House comes with them.

It's clear that you're going to defend Bush no matter what. The "White
House" doesn't "come with them." They can do a bunch of stuff, but
it's not like you're on sight, talking to and meeting with all the
people.

On Tue, 03 May 2011 12:54:24 -0700, wrote:

He? So Carter was the one who decided what type of helicopter was
used? On what planet?

It's all about management.

Are the right people in place, have they been given access to the
necessary resources, and have they been given the right sense of
priorities?

There was a breakdown somewhere in that list, and like it or not, all
roads lead back to Carter. As Harry Truman said, "The buck stops
here", and he was right.

On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:47:48 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 12:54:24 -0700, wrote:

He? So Carter was the one who decided what type of helicopter was
used? On what planet?

It's all about management.

Are the right people in place, have they been given access to the
necessary resources, and have they been given the right sense of
priorities?

There was a breakdown somewhere in that list, and like it or not, all
roads lead back to Carter. As Harry Truman said, "The buck stops
here", and he was right.

And, Carter paid the price for it, but don't try and claim he failed
to give it his best. Bush did not give it his best and he said so
publically.

wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:47:48 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 12:54:24 -0700, wrote:

He? So Carter was the one who decided what type of helicopter was
used? On what planet?
It's all about management.

Are the right people in place, have they been given access to the
necessary resources, and have they been given the right sense of
priorities?

There was a breakdown somewhere in that list, and like it or not, all
roads lead back to Carter. As Harry Truman said, "The buck stops
here", and he was right.

And, Carter paid the price for it, but don't try and claim he failed
to give it his best. Bush did not give it his best and he said so
publically.


The Bush Admin did not rise to the level of competency on most issues.

On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:01:44 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:47:48 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 12:54:24 -0700, wrote:

He? So Carter was the one who decided what type of helicopter was
used? On what planet?

It's all about management.

Are the right people in place, have they been given access to the
necessary resources, and have they been given the right sense of
priorities?

There was a breakdown somewhere in that list, and like it or not, all
roads lead back to Carter. As Harry Truman said, "The buck stops
here", and he was right.

It was cobbled together pretty fast without enough real planning. That
was the big flaw.

Mostly untrue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw


Perhaps there was the fear that loading more capable helicopters on a
carrier would attract attention but FDR managed to train crews and put
B-25s on the Hornet without a leak. Much like Mogadishu, the right
assets should have been in theater before you try things like this or
you can't deal with adversity.

I bet the sky over Aghanistan was black with orbiting planes and
choppers full of guys, in case this thing blew up.

I'll bet that if you look at the timeline, there was a lot more time
available for the current vs. the previous.

Feel free to claim Clinton was at fault, but Reagan did just fine in
Lebanon.