In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

BAR wrote:
In articlet5qdnaqmfKAN6ijQnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...
BAR wrote:

My uncle was in the seminary but decided that he wanted to do more with
his life. He went to USMC OCS and became a fighter pilot and when to
Vietnam and flew F4's.

Our family is very Catholic, very conservative and very generous to
charities.

Of course when you explain the economics of liberalism vs. conservatism
to children who start earning their own money it opens their eyes.
No offense to your uncle, but just how did he do "more with his life" by
being a fighter pilot in Vietnam? Is killing people a higher calling
than saving them?

There's more to being a good Catholic, I've been told, than being
"generous to charities," especially as it relates to other people.
Charity is great, don't get me wrong, but the papal encyclicals demand
more of good Catholics than charity.

Why don't you convert? You talk about Catholics so much and you proclaim
to be more knowledgeable than Catholics.

As for your last sentence, I think it is hogwash.

Hogwash? When my daughter comes home from a baby sitting job and I
explain to her how taxes work. She gets ****ed off and wants to know why
the government gets to take money from her when the government didn't do
any work. That $40 she earned turns into about $25 by the time
government is finished taking its cut.

I am going to get my quarterly bonus check in a couple of weeks. Do you
know how much I get to keep? 48%. The government takes 52% of my bonus
check in the form of taxes.



Your babysitting daughter is in the 37% tax bracket?

Independent contractor. She would be obligated to pay all of the SS and
Medicare. That is 18 percent right off the top. Then the Fed gets their
cut and the state will want their cut too.

Oh, I'm sure *your* explanation of how taxes work is imbued with more
than a little right-wing teahadist nonsense. Your concept of the
"government not doing any work," by the way, is just more ignorant
nonsense. The government makes sure the air is reasonably clean, the
water is reasonably pure, the roads and sidewalks are maintain, the
schools are open, the food is reasonably safe, that there's a fire
department, and so forth and so on. Have you taught your daughter about
the cost of such services? Does she think they are free?

And yours would be imbued with a bunch of left-wing bull**** about how
you should feel good about giving money to people for sitting around on
their asses all day long watching TV waiting for their next meal to be
delivered.

Our local fire department is volunteer. When they come around looking
for donations each year we show them our appreciation.

BAR wrote:


Your babysitting daughter is in the 37% tax bracket?

Independent contractor. She would be obligated to pay all of the SS and
Medicare. That is 18 percent right off the top. Then the Fed gets their
cut and the state will want their cut too.

I'll just bet your babysitting kid is not paying federal taxes on her
babysitting money.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:50:02 -0400, Harryk
sent the following message
John H wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 20:58:15 -0700,
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 19:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Apr 24, 10:09 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:09:33 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
My seriously liberal sister has taken up shooting, both with
a 9 mm
and a .22 rifle. Today at our Easter family dinner, she
remarked at
how since I was good at building boats'n stuff, maybe I could
make a
gun rack for her Prius...
build a good one so your sister

will have a nice rack
She's 41, a lawyer, has two kids, competes in triathlons,
vegetarian,
ultra-liberal, drives a Prius and shoots for fun too. I
believe that
when she is 50 she will no longer be liberal.
Hmm, I don't know. My daughter is also a liberal democrat.
She's 52.
But she's a member of the NRA and shoots trap and auto loaders.
(she
drives a Volvo)
I'm her opposite, have tons of guns, shoot once a month and
drive a
Chevy. But I'm not a member of the NRA.
Eddie

Luckily, neither of my daughters are liberals.

I suppose they were just properly raised.


Well, they certainly weren't raised as Roman Catholics, eh?
Most Catholics I know, and I know a lot of them, are social
liberals.
A number of them are anti-abortion, but in every other area of
importance, they are liberal.


So, where did you go wrong with them?

Harry's many liberal catholic friends. Se habla espanol. You betcha.
Mostly bricklayers too.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:22:56 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , payer3389
says...

John H wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 20:58:15 -0700, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 19:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Apr 24, 10:09 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:09:33 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
My seriously liberal sister has taken up shooting, both with a 9 mm
and a .22 rifle. Today at our Easter family dinner, she remarked at
how since I was good at building boats'n stuff, maybe I could make a
gun rack for her Prius...
build a good one so your sister

will have a nice rack
She's 41, a lawyer, has two kids, competes in triathlons, vegetarian,
ultra-liberal, drives a Prius and shoots for fun too. I believe that
when she is 50 she will no longer be liberal.
Hmm, I don't know. My daughter is also a liberal democrat. She's 52.
But she's a member of the NRA and shoots trap and auto loaders. (she
drives a Volvo)
I'm her opposite, have tons of guns, shoot once a month and drive a
Chevy. But I'm not a member of the NRA.
Eddie

Luckily, neither of my daughters are liberals.

I suppose they were just properly raised.

Well, they certainly weren't raised as Roman Catholics, eh?
Most Catholics I know, and I know a lot of them, are social liberals.
A number of them are anti-abortion, but in every other area of
importance, they are liberal.

So, where did you go wrong with them?

My uncle was in the seminary but decided that he wanted to do more with
his life. He went to USMC OCS and became a fighter pilot and when to
Vietnam and flew F4's.

Our family is very Catholic, very conservative and very generous to
charities.

Of course when you explain the economics of liberalism vs. conservatism
to children who start earning their own money it opens their eyes.

Both of my daughters were raised Catholic, and are still practicing Catholics. My granddaughter has
her First Communion next Sunday.

Raising children in the Catholic Church doesn't make them less intelligent, as you know. Therefore
you'd expect them to be able to see just what the liberals have done for the poor. Visit downtown
Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago, or DC, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

It's a damn shame the poor don't wise up. But, it's not in the liberal interest for them to do so.

On 24/04/2011 8:28 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 24, 10:09 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:09:33 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
My seriously liberal sister has taken up shooting, both with a 9 mm
and a .22 rifle. Today at our Easter family dinner, she remarked at
how since I was good at building boats'n stuff, maybe I could make a
gun rack for her Prius...

build a good one so your sister

will have a nice rack

She's 41, a lawyer, has two kids, competes in triathlons, vegetarian,
ultra-liberal, drives a Prius and shoots for fun too. I believe that
when she is 50 she will no longer be liberal.

True, as people grow up, provided they do, they become less susceptible
to the liberal leftie BS.

20's your a liberal/fleabagger
30's your confused at the broken promises and nonsense
40's you smarten up
50's you prosper
60's you retire nicely

But it does hinge on growing up. Good to see your sister is intelligent.
--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On 25/04/2011 7:30 AM, Harryk wrote:

No offense to your uncle, but just how did he do "more with his life" by
being a fighter pilot in Vietnam? Is killing people a higher calling
than saving them?

Coming from a draft dodging fleabagger like yourself? Too chicken to
server your country type....fly a kite turkey.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On 25/04/2011 9:12 AM, Harryk wrote:
BAR wrote:


Your babysitting daughter is in the 37% tax bracket?

Independent contractor. She would be obligated to pay all of the SS and
Medicare. That is 18 percent right off the top. Then the Fed gets their
cut and the state will want their cut too.

I'll just bet your babysitting kid is not paying federal taxes on her
babysitting money.

Why? You think she should contribute to your welfare? Begging?

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

In article ,
says...

On 25/04/2011 7:30 AM, Harryk wrote:

No offense to your uncle, but just how did he do "more with his life" by
being a fighter pilot in Vietnam? Is killing people a higher calling
than saving them?

Coming from a draft dodging fleabagger like yourself? Too chicken to
server your country type....fly a kite turkey.

Isn't it amazing, maybe not, that the one who professes about how much
good the government does and the need to support the government would
fail to enlist in that government and provide his excellent, in his
mind, services to that government. Just think how much better off the
world would have been if we would have been if we had had the privilege
of 2nd Lt Harry Krause?

Harry could have risen to become a General and he could have remade the
US military into a kinder and gentler force.

On 4/25/2011 1:59 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 25/04/2011 7:30 AM, Harryk wrote:

No offense to your uncle, but just how did he do "more with his life" by
being a fighter pilot in Vietnam? Is killing people a higher calling
than saving them?

Coming from a draft dodging fleabagger like yourself? Too chicken to
server your country type....fly a kite turkey.

Isn't it amazing, maybe not, that the one who professes about how much
good the government does and the need to support the government would
fail to enlist in that government and provide his excellent, in his
mind, services to that government. Just think how much better off the
world would have been if we would have been if we had had the privilege
of 2nd Lt Harry Krause?

Harry could have risen to become a General and he could have remade the
US military into a kinder and gentler force.

Hey Bertie-birther, I've severed many presidents in one capacity or another.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 4/25/2011 1:59 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 25/04/2011 7:30 AM, Harryk wrote:

No offense to your uncle, but just how did he do "more with his life" by
being a fighter pilot in Vietnam? Is killing people a higher calling
than saving them?

Coming from a draft dodging fleabagger like yourself? Too chicken to
server your country type....fly a kite turkey.

Isn't it amazing, maybe not, that the one who professes about how much
good the government does and the need to support the government would
fail to enlist in that government and provide his excellent, in his
mind, services to that government. Just think how much better off the
world would have been if we would have been if we had had the privilege
of 2nd Lt Harry Krause?

Harry could have risen to become a General and he could have remade the
US military into a kinder and gentler force.

Hey Bertie-birther, I've severed many presidents in one capacity or another.

Yes, but you've never served any.