On 24/04/2011 10:22 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:20:03 -0400, Wayne wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:58:47 -0400,
wrote:

There are a lot of good people in this country who don't buy into your
corporationist uber alles philosophy.

They should move elsewhere. This country was founded on the
principles of free enterprise and minimal government and it has
served well. Those who look to government for all of their needs are
losers and on the wrong road.

This explains where Harry's ideas emanate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDeXh...layer_embedded

I suppose this would be 'liberal' education planning?

A crime really, selfish socialists using kids. They should all be so
fired. But who do they fire?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXDYC1glxhc

But the school brainwashing really starts in elementary school. Big fat
government is good, need to be dependant on government like a leach,
expected. To many people, big government has replaced religion. A
false god for sure.

I actually know of people who work for government in education and home
school just to avoid the brainwashing, it is very intentional.

Sad.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/04/2011 10:22 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:20:03 -0400, Wayne
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:58:47 -0400,
wrote:

There are a lot of good people in this country who don't buy into your
corporationist uber alles philosophy.

They should move elsewhere. This country was founded on the
principles of free enterprise and minimal government and it has
served well. Those who look to government for all of their needs are
losers and on the wrong road.

This explains where Harry's ideas emanate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDeXh...layer_embedded

I suppose this would be 'liberal' education planning?

A crime really, selfish socialists using kids. They should all be so
fired. But who do they fire?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXDYC1glxhc

But the school brainwashing really starts in elementary school. Big fat
government is good, need to be dependant on government like a leach,
expected. To many people, big government has replaced religion. A false
god for sure.

I actually know of people who work for government in education and home
school just to avoid the brainwashing, it is very intentional.

Sad.


Please. You right-wing assholes don't give a damn about children,
generally. When you pretend you do, it just makes you look sillier.

If you want to encounter brain-washed children, check out the
home-schooled kids of some of the more fundamentalist christians, the
kids whose "learning" comes from fundamentalist church-approved
workbooks, and whose parents do not allow them to socialize with
non-fundie kids. They're the ones who believe man and dinosaurs walked
the earth together, and the Flintstones was a true to life adventure.

On 24/04/2011 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 09:01:18 -0600,
wrote:

Hey, if I put $1000 into SS...it generates say 1% interest in a 3%
inflationary environment...the value of the money falls 2% every year.
Add that up with something the size of SS well....it is big.

SS is a great bargain for anyone who lives long enough to collect for
more than 8-10 years, even at the age 62 rate.
Unfortunately that is why it is going broke.
I paid in about $100k (both sides) and I will use that up before I am
68, starting at age 63.5.

Yes, but did they pay interest on the moneys you contributed decades ago?

I am supposed to live another 12 years after that.

Now give government health care and watch them ration seniors so they
can die earlier.

Medicare is even a bigger hit for the government.
I paid in less than $25,000 (both sides) and statistically I am
supposed to spend about $250k before I die (the average Medicare cost
per patient)

Again, make that calculation with interest.

But agree on your points in that work for 10 years to get the points
then no contribute gets you a full load of benefits.

Some day if I get that bored, I will work up a spread sheet of my FICA
taxes vs the expected pay out to see what the effective interest rate
really is. The problem is not really that you are not getting enough
return on your money, it is that the money was really never invested
in anything that gained value. The government ****ed it away on stupid
wars, pork and bailouts.

Yep. That is what really happened. If you put in $500 say 3 decades
ago, got a fair 5% annual average return, today that is $2161.

By borrowing at effectively 0% interest rate in a 3%+ inflation
environment, the exact opposite happens. The savings depreciate. So in
fact, government is deliberately depreciating pensions.

Add in they are making it worse with ponzi fiat no-value money creation
for debt-fraud, well, that just makes it worse.

Yep, government borrowed it at near zero rates and will maybe, if you
believe them, pay it back with lower value future dollars.

A real scam in reality. Shafting the average worker with what is really
an employment tax.

Best way to ix it is have all SS (CPP in Canada) go to a non-refundable
IRA type deal for both the employee and employers part. Did you include
your employers part in your calculations?

After say 40 years of working, all the employee and employer SS/CPP
parts in a private fund at a modest 5% would likely fund a pension much
larger than your getting now.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On 24/04/2011 4:09 PM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/04/2011 10:22 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:20:03 -0400, Wayne
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:58:47 -0400,
wrote:

There are a lot of good people in this country who don't buy into your
corporationist uber alles philosophy.

They should move elsewhere. This country was founded on the
principles of free enterprise and minimal government and it has
served well. Those who look to government for all of their needs are
losers and on the wrong road.

This explains where Harry's ideas emanate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDeXh...layer_embedded

I suppose this would be 'liberal' education planning?

A crime really, selfish socialists using kids. They should all be so
fired. But who do they fire?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXDYC1glxhc

But the school brainwashing really starts in elementary school. Big fat
government is good, need to be dependant on government like a leach,
expected. To many people, big government has replaced religion. A false
god for sure.

I actually know of people who work for government in education and home
school just to avoid the brainwashing, it is very intentional.

Sad.


Please. You right-wing assholes don't give a damn about children,
generally. When you pretend you do, it just makes you look sillier.

If you want to encounter brain-washed children, check out the
home-schooled kids of some of the more fundamentalist christians, the
kids whose "learning" comes from fundamentalist church-approved
workbooks, and whose parents do not allow them to socialize with
non-fundie kids. They're the ones who believe man and dinosaurs walked
the earth together, and the Flintstones was a true to life adventure.

Actually, real right wing libertarians are not selfish at all. We are
not like feabagger lefties and do not profess big fat government on a
credit card that mortgages our grand children's futures with big
government debt.

I don't want my grand children to have the burden of this generations
screw ups and false worship of big corrupt government.

All I ask is take away the government printing presses and credit cards.
Time to balance the budget in earnest. Push the selfish greedy
ba-tards aside and make way for common sense and decency. End the
corruption.

Quit being such a selfish greedy slug.
--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

Canuck57 wrote:

Quit being such a selfish greedy slug.

That's advice you on the right should follow. As for libertarians, well,
most of them are more like loonytarians.

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On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:20:03 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:58:47 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

There are a lot of good people in this country who don't buy into your
corporationist uber alles philosophy.

They should move elsewhere. This country was founded on the
principles of free enterprise and minimal government and it has
served well. Those who look to government for all of their needs are
losers and on the wrong road.

This explains where Harry's ideas emanate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDeXh...layer_embedded

I suppose this would be 'liberal' education planning?


It the chick in the glasses was teaching here kids rather than
indoctrinating them they might have a chance at achieving something
better in live than ask the person o the other side of the counter
"would you like fries with that."

These "teachers" should be fired.

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On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:20:03 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:58:47 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

There are a lot of good people in this country who don't buy into your
corporationist uber alles philosophy.

They should move elsewhere. This country was founded on the
principles of free enterprise and minimal government and it has
served well. Those who look to government for all of their needs are
losers and on the wrong road.

This explains where Harry's ideas emanate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDeXh...layer_embedded

I suppose this would be 'liberal' education planning?


It the chick in the glasses was teaching here kids rather than
indoctrinating them they might have a chance at achieving something
better in live than ask the person o the other side of the counter
"would you like fries with that."

These "teachers" should be fired.

These punks should be drawn and quartered...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

"BAR" wrote in message . ..

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says...

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:20:03 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:58:47 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

There are a lot of good people in this country who don't buy into your
corporationist uber alles philosophy.

They should move elsewhere. This country was founded on the
principles of free enterprise and minimal government and it has
served well. Those who look to government for all of their needs are
losers and on the wrong road.

This explains where Harry's ideas emanate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDeXh...layer_embedded

I suppose this would be 'liberal' education planning?


*It the chick* in the glasses was *teaching here kids* rather than
indoctrinating them they might have a chance at achieving something
better *in live* than ask the person *o the other side of the counter*
"would you like fries with that."

These "teachers" should be fired.

******************

Yikes...I think you should go back & find an English teacher who might take
pity on you.

I_am_Tosk wrote:
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:20:03 -0400, Wayne wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:58:47 -0400,
wrote:

There are a lot of good people in this country who don't buy into your
corporationist uber alles philosophy.
They should move elsewhere. This country was founded on the
principles of free enterprise and minimal government and it has
served well. Those who look to government for all of their needs are
losers and on the wrong road.
This explains where Harry's ideas emanate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDeXh...layer_embedded

I suppose this would be 'liberal' education planning?

It the chick in the glasses was teaching here kids rather than
indoctrinating them they might have a chance at achieving something
better in live than ask the person o the other side of the counter
"would you like fries with that."

These "teachers" should be fired.

These punks should be drawn and quartered...


Hell, man, you should have been neutered.

In article , princecraft51
@gmail.com says...

"BAR" wrote in message . ..

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says...

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:20:03 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:58:47 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

There are a lot of good people in this country who don't buy into your
corporationist uber alles philosophy.

They should move elsewhere. This country was founded on the
principles of free enterprise and minimal government and it has
served well. Those who look to government for all of their needs are
losers and on the wrong road.

This explains where Harry's ideas emanate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDeXh...layer_embedded

I suppose this would be 'liberal' education planning?


*It the chick* in the glasses was *teaching here kids* rather than
indoctrinating them they might have a chance at achieving something
better *in live* than ask the person *o the other side of the counter*
"would you like fries with that."

These "teachers" should be fired.

******************

Yikes...I think you should go back & find an English teacher who might take
pity on you.

How come you don't point out Harry's typos?