John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700, wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700,
wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak, but
he
is fighting a cold.
We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be made to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.


What is your feeling about parents who allow their children to race
motorcycles?

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.

I was bricking up a wall, thinking about John out on the course and
being a little envious.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/bump%20out.jpg

Obviously the dragon's teeth on the far end means "watch this space".
We are not sure what's next on that end of the patio. It will probably
be another deck and covered area like the tiki bar on the other side.

I didn't look that closely, but...

I think I see mortar of some sort under the first course at the bottom,
but I don't see any in the joints in the other courses. Are you using
something other than mortar? Did you remember the brick ties?

For a moment or two, I thought maybe you were using ersatz lightweight
brick, but...you wouldn't do that! Would you?

Hoo boy!!!! Here you go, trying to make yourself look like you know what
you're talking about, and make yourself look really stupid in the
process!

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:55:27 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.
I was bricking up a wall, thinking about John out on the course and
being a little envious.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/bump%20out.jpg

Obviously the dragon's teeth on the far end means "watch this space".
We are not sure what's next on that end of the patio. It will probably
be another deck and covered area like the tiki bar on the other side.
I didn't look that closely, but...

I think I see mortar of some sort under the first course at the bottom,
but I don't see any in the joints in the other courses. Are you using
something other than mortar? Did you remember the brick ties?

For a moment or two, I thought maybe you were using ersatz lightweight
brick, but...you wouldn't do that! Would you?

That is just shims to get the first course straight. I am going to
grout that when everything is set and pressure clean the brick.

Brick pavers, mortared to the block wall with flex thin set.

This is my wife setting the flag stones, you can see the wall behind
her.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

We have the paver wall motif going on all over..
My shed
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg

The fireplace I thought would never work (it was the smiling lady's
idea). The pavers never exploded.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/JUDYFIR2.jpg

I finished it off after a few years of fires and no explosions.

This all started when Centex replaced all the driveways in a community
and they had one yard bags of these pavers going to the dump. I ended
up with thousands of pavers, looking for a use.


You're an ambitious guy!

I thought I was off the hook for a while, what with the deck and the
replacement of a slider with a double french door and the installation
of a storm door, but...a few weeks ago, I got talked into filling the
space between our fireplace mantle and the fireplace with green-black
ubatuba granite tiles.

That should take all of a couple of hours.

"BAR" wrote in message . ..

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:46:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:57 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a
great time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.
I was bricking up a wall, thinking about John out on the course and
being a little envious.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/bump%20out.jpg

Obviously the dragon's teeth on the far end means "watch this space".
We are not sure what's next on that end of the patio. It will probably
be another deck and covered area like the tiki bar on the other side.

Looks very nice...but the golf was probably more enjoyable.

Did you break 80?

I break 80 every time I play.

Reply:
Which direction? ;)

"Harryk" wrote in message
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John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700,
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700,

wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak,
but
he
is fighting a cold.
We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be made
to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.


What is your feeling about parents who allow their children to race
motorcycles?


Reply:
No problem. Is the taxpayer paying for the endeavor? Someone goes out in a
flooding river in a kayak and needs to be rescued, they should have to pay
the tab. I run white water rivers. When one of us types screw up, we or
the insurance we pay for has to recover the boat. Is not the local
emergency responders that do the recovery.

Califbill wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message
...

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700,
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700,

wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak,
but
he
is fighting a cold.
We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be
made to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.


What is your feeling about parents who allow their children to race
motorcycles?


Reply:
No problem. Is the taxpayer paying for the endeavor? Someone goes out in
a flooding river in a kayak and needs to be rescued, they should have to
pay the tab. I run white water rivers. When one of us types screw up, we
or the insurance we pay for has to recover the boat. Is not the local
emergency responders that do the recovery.



Who recovers *you* if you fall into the water? And are you claiming that
your insurance claim is not shared with everyone else when their
premiums go up to cover your losses?

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:09:56 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:54:24 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:17:24 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:50:12 -0700, wrote:

Two refrigeration systems... I'm so glad you're middle class!

Sweat equity my poor confused woman, very middle class. The truly
wealthy call someone up and get it done for them. Installing it
themselves would interfere with tennis lessons or the bridge game.

Your turn: Define middle class.

It's shrinking. Sweat equity has nothing to do with it. Lots of people
in the lower socio-economic level work very hard and try and save.

Many people in the middle class take tennis lessons and play bridge.

It used to be that middle class was defined by relatively stable
economic situations, but more and more people are losing their homes
and going hungry even. You may not be "truly wealthy," but you're
certainly not in the middle. Someone who has a boat they use as a
second, vacation home and travel around, seemingly endlessly, someone
who has two fridges on their boat for God Sake, isn't really middle
class, at least not compared to the vast majority of people.

You are one of the people who told me "middle class" was $100k, or was
it $125k and above when I asked the question.

What's that got to do with Wayne pimping his huge trawler as his
second home?

You're now claiming middle class doesn't include those who make
$100K/yr?

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:27:05 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Harryk" wrote in message
...

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700,
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700,

wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak,
but
he
is fighting a cold.
We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be made
to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.


What is your feeling about parents who allow their children to race
motorcycles?


Reply:
No problem. Is the taxpayer paying for the endeavor? Someone goes out in a
flooding river in a kayak and needs to be rescued, they should have to pay
the tab. I run white water rivers. When one of us types screw up, we or
the insurance we pay for has to recover the boat. Is not the local
emergency responders that do the recovery.

If you're caught in a river and have to be rescued, who's going to pay
the local responder? Your insurance company? Not a chance.

If someone's child is critically injured, the EMTs will be called.
They don't ask for a credit card before they treat someone, at least
not yet, but that might change if the right wing nuts get their way.

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:09:56 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:54:24 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:17:24 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:50:12 -0700, wrote:

Two refrigeration systems... I'm so glad you're middle class!
Sweat equity my poor confused woman, very middle class. The truly
wealthy call someone up and get it done for them. Installing it
themselves would interfere with tennis lessons or the bridge game.

Your turn: Define middle class.
It's shrinking. Sweat equity has nothing to do with it. Lots of people
in the lower socio-economic level work very hard and try and save.

Many people in the middle class take tennis lessons and play bridge.

It used to be that middle class was defined by relatively stable
economic situations, but more and more people are losing their homes
and going hungry even. You may not be "truly wealthy," but you're
certainly not in the middle. Someone who has a boat they use as a
second, vacation home and travel around, seemingly endlessly, someone
who has two fridges on their boat for God Sake, isn't really middle
class, at least not compared to the vast majority of people.
You are one of the people who told me "middle class" was $100k, or was
it $125k and above when I asked the question.

What's that got to do with Wayne pimping his huge trawler as his
second home?

You're now claiming middle class doesn't include those who make
$100K/yr?

I'd guess $100,000 was at the top level of what could be called middle
income. Middle class is a much misused term; I'm not sure what it
*really* means anymore.

People who spend half their year cruising on a posh 50' yacht are
neither middle income nor middle class.

"Harryk" wrote in message
m...

Califbill wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message
...

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0700,
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:00:58 -0700,

wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:34:15 -0400, John
wrote:

Sure am glad I chose golf. Looks like I'm the only one who had a great
time!
I've been working on the boats. That's always fun when it's
finished.


Reply:
I was going to bring the boat home and work on it, but the nice weather
changed. A little rain already. Need to weld up some old holes drilled
for
removed stuff, and get it ready to repaint. Buddy wants to go kayak,
but
he
is fighting a cold.
We had another dummy go kayaking above the rapids in the Potomac today.
Luckily, she got extracted
before she got killed.

http://tinyurl.com/3cds3up


Reply:
Saw that on the news this morning while at the gym. She should be
made to
reimburse all costs of rescue with maybe a 20% PREMIUM.

Agreed.


What is your feeling about parents who allow their children to race
motorcycles?


Reply:
No problem. Is the taxpayer paying for the endeavor? Someone goes out in
a flooding river in a kayak and needs to be rescued, they should have to
pay the tab. I run white water rivers. When one of us types screw up, we
or the insurance we pay for has to recover the boat. Is not the local
emergency responders that do the recovery.



Who recovers *you* if you fall into the water? And are you claiming that
your insurance claim is not shared with everyone else when their
premiums go up to cover your losses?



Reply:
Another boater would rescue me. I would be dead before the local responders
arrived. The insurance rate is calculated on losses for the type of boat.
Probably less loss on our boats per boat than the local Chesapeake boaters.
Seems as if you guys are getting insurance to pay for new motors, etc.