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Obama endorses slavery
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:58:26 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:20:15 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:03:43 -0700, wrote: I already told you, I expect a means test and raising the retirement age more than they already have. (it isn't 65 anymore, in case you haven't noticed) And, several people have already said that the "means" test already exists for SS in the form of taxes. Why are you saying this over and over? Boater also points out the means test only takes about 12.5 to 23% of the SS if you make over 32k. I am talking about a means test that will take a lot more of it as your income increases up to 100% So you want a 100% tax on SS? That's just plain weird. Sounds to me like you're not very familiar with regular income tax. Maybe you've been out of it too long. OK let me put this in a perspective you can understand. Do you think a person making over $250,000 a year in retirement should still get all of their SS? I don't. I haven't even applied yet, and I am eligible for the full amount, which is, what, about $2400 a month? No medicare, either. |
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Obama endorses slavery
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:08:02 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:58:26 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:20:15 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:03:43 -0700, wrote: I already told you, I expect a means test and raising the retirement age more than they already have. (it isn't 65 anymore, in case you haven't noticed) And, several people have already said that the "means" test already exists for SS in the form of taxes. Why are you saying this over and over? Boater also points out the means test only takes about 12.5 to 23% of the SS if you make over 32k. I am talking about a means test that will take a lot more of it as your income increases up to 100% So you want a 100% tax on SS? That's just plain weird. Sounds to me like you're not very familiar with regular income tax. Maybe you've been out of it too long. OK let me put this in a perspective you can understand. Do you think a person making over $250,000 a year in retirement should still get all of their SS? I don't. I haven't even applied yet, and I am eligible for the full amount, which is, what, about $2400 a month? No medicare, either. The top of the box for age 66 is $2366 if you paid in the max since 1966. (45 years). I only paid in the max for 30 years (66-96), started drawing at 63.5 years and my check with single 00 withholding is $1506, Gross is 1772. At 66 that would have been a bit over $2000 as I recall. I have a statement around here from 2010 with the real numbers. I think it was $2400 if you wait to 70. Yeah, my annual statement from SS has a number like that...just under $2400. I suppose I'll sign up for the monthly check when I'm...old. :) If my medical bills rise, I'll have myself removed from my union's plan so I can sign up for Medicare. I don't want to stick my union's health fund with big bills. |
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Obama endorses slavery
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@mypacks.net says... wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:08:02 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:58:26 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:20:15 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:03:43 -0700, wrote: I already told you, I expect a means test and raising the retirement age more than they already have. (it isn't 65 anymore, in case you haven't noticed) And, several people have already said that the "means" test already exists for SS in the form of taxes. Why are you saying this over and over? Boater also points out the means test only takes about 12.5 to 23% of the SS if you make over 32k. I am talking about a means test that will take a lot more of it as your income increases up to 100% So you want a 100% tax on SS? That's just plain weird. Sounds to me like you're not very familiar with regular income tax. Maybe you've been out of it too long. OK let me put this in a perspective you can understand. Do you think a person making over $250,000 a year in retirement should still get all of their SS? I don't. I haven't even applied yet, and I am eligible for the full amount, which is, what, about $2400 a month? No medicare, either. The top of the box for age 66 is $2366 if you paid in the max since 1966. (45 years). I only paid in the max for 30 years (66-96), started drawing at 63.5 years and my check with single 00 withholding is $1506, Gross is 1772. At 66 that would have been a bit over $2000 as I recall. I have a statement around here from 2010 with the real numbers. I think it was $2400 if you wait to 70. Yeah, my annual statement from SS has a number like that...just under $2400. I suppose I'll sign up for the monthly check when I'm...old. :) If my medical bills rise, I'll have myself removed from my union's plan so I can sign up for Medicare. I don't want to stick my union's health fund with big bills. No problems sticking the government with it though, eh? |
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@mypacks.net says... wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:08:02 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:58:26 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:20:15 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:03:43 -0700, wrote: I already told you, I expect a means test and raising the retirement age more than they already have. (it isn't 65 anymore, in case you haven't noticed) And, several people have already said that the "means" test already exists for SS in the form of taxes. Why are you saying this over and over? Boater also points out the means test only takes about 12.5 to 23% of the SS if you make over 32k. I am talking about a means test that will take a lot more of it as your income increases up to 100% So you want a 100% tax on SS? That's just plain weird. Sounds to me like you're not very familiar with regular income tax. Maybe you've been out of it too long. OK let me put this in a perspective you can understand. Do you think a person making over $250,000 a year in retirement should still get all of their SS? I don't. I haven't even applied yet, and I am eligible for the full amount, which is, what, about $2400 a month? No medicare, either. The top of the box for age 66 is $2366 if you paid in the max since 1966. (45 years). I only paid in the max for 30 years (66-96), started drawing at 63.5 years and my check with single 00 withholding is $1506, Gross is 1772. At 66 that would have been a bit over $2000 as I recall. I have a statement around here from 2010 with the real numbers. I think it was $2400 if you wait to 70. Yeah, my annual statement from SS has a number like that...just under $2400. I suppose I'll sign up for the monthly check when I'm...old. :) If my medical bills rise, I'll have myself removed from my union's plan so I can sign up for Medicare. I don't want to stick my union's health fund with big bills. If you are eligible you should take the money now and invest it. |
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Obama endorses slavery
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:26:05 -0400, wrote: In articlew9Kdna3PJdOvqDLQnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:08:02 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:58:26 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:20:15 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:03:43 -0700, wrote: I already told you, I expect a means test and raising the retirement age more than they already have. (it isn't 65 anymore, in case you haven't noticed) And, several people have already said that the "means" test already exists for SS in the form of taxes. Why are you saying this over and over? Boater also points out the means test only takes about 12.5 to 23% of the SS if you make over 32k. I am talking about a means test that will take a lot more of it as your income increases up to 100% So you want a 100% tax on SS? That's just plain weird. Sounds to me like you're not very familiar with regular income tax. Maybe you've been out of it too long. OK let me put this in a perspective you can understand. Do you think a person making over $250,000 a year in retirement should still get all of their SS? I don't. I haven't even applied yet, and I am eligible for the full amount, which is, what, about $2400 a month? No medicare, either. The top of the box for age 66 is $2366 if you paid in the max since 1966. (45 years). I only paid in the max for 30 years (66-96), started drawing at 63.5 years and my check with single 00 withholding is $1506, Gross is 1772. At 66 that would have been a bit over $2000 as I recall. I have a statement around here from 2010 with the real numbers. I think it was $2400 if you wait to 70. Yeah, my annual statement from SS has a number like that...just under $2400. I suppose I'll sign up for the monthly check when I'm...old. :) If my medical bills rise, I'll have myself removed from my union's plan so I can sign up for Medicare. I don't want to stick my union's health fund with big bills. If you are eligible you should take the money now and invest it. Harry put his finger on it. His union "cadillac plan" is better than Medicare and he knows he will have to lose it when he starts collecting SS. Actually, I'm not retired. I hope I stay in decent enough health to never retire. Since I don't need social security, I've not applied for it. When and if I do need it, I will apply. When my medical need$ start ta$king my union health insurance plan, I'll request being dropped from it and get Medicare. I have, after all, been paying into the federal system(s) a long, long time. :) |
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Obama endorses slavery
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In , says... Yeah, my annual statement from SS has a number like that...just under $2400. I suppose I'll sign up for the monthly check when I'm...old. :) If my medical bills rise, I'll have myself removed from my union's plan so I can sign up for Medicare. I don't want to stick my union's health fund with big bills. If you are eligible you should take the money now and invest it. Harry put his finger on it. His union "cadillac plan" is better than Medicare and he knows he will have to lose it when he starts collecting SS. But, the government is here to help you. There's no doubt in my mind that the United States will, within the next 20 years, have a decent, government-sponsored health care plan that will cover everyone who lives here. The effort has been helped some by the Ryan plan to destroy Medicare and the fact that virtually all Republicans jumped aboard that particular ship to disaster. Recent legitimate surveys show that even the majority of teahadists don't want Medicare to go away. And what is Medicare but one of those danged "socialist" programs. Gotta love it. We should be concentrating on cutting back our miiltary expenditures drastically, to the tune of $100 billion a year, until we are down to a reasonable level. Half those savings can go to reducing the deficit and half can go towards funding needed social programs. That, and a serious tax increase on the wealthy, and we'll be out of the hole. I don't see anything morally wrong in doing to the very wealthy what they have been doing to the rest of the country since the 1980s. |
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Obama endorses slavery
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... BAR wrote: In , says... Yeah, my annual statement from SS has a number like that...just under $2400. I suppose I'll sign up for the monthly check when I'm...old. :) If my medical bills rise, I'll have myself removed from my union's plan so I can sign up for Medicare. I don't want to stick my union's health fund with big bills. If you are eligible you should take the money now and invest it. Harry put his finger on it. His union "cadillac plan" is better than Medicare and he knows he will have to lose it when he starts collecting SS. But, the government is here to help you. There's no doubt in my mind that the United States will, within the next 20 years, have a decent, government-sponsored health care plan that will cover everyone who lives here. The effort has been helped some by the Ryan plan to destroy Medicare and the fact that virtually all Republicans jumped aboard that particular ship to disaster. Recent legitimate surveys show that even the majority of teahadists don't want Medicare to go away. And what is Medicare but one of those danged "socialist" programs. Gotta love it. We should be concentrating on cutting back our miiltary expenditures drastically, to the tune of $100 billion a year, until we are down to a reasonable level. Half those savings can go to reducing the deficit and half can go towards funding needed social programs. That, and a serious tax increase on the wealthy, and we'll be out of the hole. I don't see anything morally wrong in doing to the very wealthy what they have been doing to the rest of the country since the 1980s. Unless the nanny state is reversed there will be non United States of America in 20 years. |
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