On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:32:31 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:37:19 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

John H wrote:
...anyone know of a better deal than this for $729?

http://tinyurl.com/4zhdw35



Does she want to mess around with a DSLR? That Nikon is a great outfit
and the price seems pretty good, but perhaps she'd want a simpler way to
take great photos, like the Canon Powershot g12:

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-G12-Digi.../dp/B0041RSPRS

I think I'd go the same way.... I'd prefer the Nikon's (still lugging
around my 42 year old Nikon FTNs around, on occasion)....

but if she doesn't want a bunch of levers, dials, and buttons getting
in the way of her memories... the Canon might be a better fit....

I looked at the G12 site above, and read a lot of the reviews. For a point and
shoot it's probably a great camera. But, it's not a 'grown up's' camera, which
is undoubtedly part of my daughter's desires.

She enjoys photography and wants the capabilities of a DSLR. I think the Nikon
D90 will work for her.

What the hell, it's only money.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:15:38 -0400, HarryisPaul wrote:

In article , payer3389
says...

I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:13:36 -0700, wrote:

"John wrote in message
...
...anyone know of a better deal than this for $729?

http://tinyurl.com/4zhdw35

John,

That package is offered at a great price, but it come with some limitations
that would concern me. First, the D3100 is a good entry-level DSLR body,
but I think stepping up to the D90 offers much more potential, without
getting into the details. You can compare the two bodies on the NikonUSA
website. The D90 is being offered at good prices right now, due to it's
impending discontinuation in favor of the D7000. The D7000 is also a very
nice body, but I think I favor the D90 when you factor in the cost. Even
more of a concern than the body is the choice of lenses being offered with
this package. The 18-55 is simply too limited in its range, in my opinion.
The limited range virtually guarantees that your daughter will need to pack
both the 18-55 and the 55-200, and will likely be switching back and forth.
This program adds to the bulk of the kit, is inconvenient and increases the
opportunities for foreign matter to accumulate on the sensor filter,
requiring more frequent cleaning. I'm guessing that packing lenses,
changing them out on the body and cleaning sensors is not something you or
your daughter bargained for.

I have a friend who recently upgraded from an early model Canon digital
Rebel. He bought the D90 from B&H. B&H is offering the d90 with the 18-105
VR as a kit for $1099. For an extra $370, you get a much more capable body
and a much more versatile lens. Only one lens to carry and no lens
swapping. An even better deal, is ordering the D90 body and the Nikon
18-200 VR individually. This is what my friend purchased. When you order
this bundle from B&H, they are currently offering a $250 discount on the
18-200, for a net price of $1319 for the bundle. Now you have the more
capable body with an even more versatile lens. I haven't used my 18-200 for
years, ever since I purchased the 16-85, but I still have it, and wouldn't
hesitate to mount it if I only wanted to carry my single most versatile
lens. The best deal of all would be for you to purchase the D90 body for
your daughter at a price of $800 and give her your 18-200 if you're no
longer using it The D90 has been around for awhile now, I wouldn't hesitate
to search Craigslist for a well cared for used copy with either the 18-105
or the 18-200. However, I've found that the asking prices for used copies
are not much less than the current prices on new ones.

All of this assumes, of course, that a DSLR kit is the more appropriate
solution versus an advanced point and shoot. Being a Nikon guy, I own the
P7000 as my go-light camera. It has very good image quality and fits right
into my RAW workflow using Capture NX2, but like all point and shoots, I
find it difficult to compose with, don't care for the 4:3 crop ratio vs. the
3:2 ratio with the DSLRs and is encumbered by the myriad of other
limitations that come with such a camera. But it has a focal range of
28-200mm in 35mm equivalency, and fits in a jacket pocket. It can be bought
for $359 at Amazon, much less than I paid for mine. Since I assume that
your daughter will not be needing the ability to shoot raw files, another
option would be a superzoom, such as the new Nikon P500. It has a fixed
lens which offers a focal range of 22.5-810mm in a package that is sized
somewhere between the P7000 and a D3100/D90 for $400.

Happy shooting,

Russ

Thanks Russ. I definitely appreciate the input.

She's the one who picked the D3100, but I could sway her into a D90 (especially
if I'm buying it).

If you are looking for something without lenses I have a older version
of this:

http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsu...productID.2216
44300

Nice cameras, this is the one I have used for all of the shots and most
of the videos I have posted of Jessi over the years. The 30X zoom with
the Schneider lens, makes for a great little auto camera...

The jerk, out of focus videos of the kid hiding behind the helmet and
facemask?

Why bother when you can't see who it is? Could be anyone's kid.

This from the asshole that thinks every kid should be shielded from any
type of dangerous activity.

How about ignoring him? It's great for your serenity.

And it doesn't make you sound continuously foolish.

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:15:38 -0400, HarryisPaul wrote:

In article , payer3389
says...

I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:13:36 -0700, wrote:

"John wrote in message
...
...anyone know of a better deal than this for $729?

http://tinyurl.com/4zhdw35

John,

That package is offered at a great price, but it come with some
limitations
that would concern me. First, the D3100 is a good entry-level DSLR
body,
but I think stepping up to the D90 offers much more potential,
without
getting into the details. You can compare the two bodies on the
NikonUSA
website. The D90 is being offered at good prices right now, due to
it's
impending discontinuation in favor of the D7000. The D7000 is also a
very
nice body, but I think I favor the D90 when you factor in the cost.
Even
more of a concern than the body is the choice of lenses being offered
with
this package. The 18-55 is simply too limited in its range, in my
opinion.
The limited range virtually guarantees that your daughter will need
to pack
both the 18-55 and the 55-200, and will likely be switching back and
forth.
This program adds to the bulk of the kit, is inconvenient and
increases the
opportunities for foreign matter to accumulate on the sensor filter,
requiring more frequent cleaning. I'm guessing that packing lenses,
changing them out on the body and cleaning sensors is not something
you or
your daughter bargained for.

I have a friend who recently upgraded from an early model Canon
digital
Rebel. He bought the D90 from B&H. B&H is offering the d90 with the
18-105
VR as a kit for $1099. For an extra $370, you get a much more
capable body
and a much more versatile lens. Only one lens to carry and no lens
swapping. An even better deal, is ordering the D90 body and the
Nikon
18-200 VR individually. This is what my friend purchased. When you
order
this bundle from B&H, they are currently offering a $250 discount on
the
18-200, for a net price of $1319 for the bundle. Now you have the
more
capable body with an even more versatile lens. I haven't used my
18-200 for
years, ever since I purchased the 16-85, but I still have it, and
wouldn't
hesitate to mount it if I only wanted to carry my single most
versatile
lens. The best deal of all would be for you to purchase the D90 body
for
your daughter at a price of $800 and give her your 18-200 if you're
no
longer using it The D90 has been around for awhile now, I wouldn't
hesitate
to search Craigslist for a well cared for used copy with either the
18-105
or the 18-200. However, I've found that the asking prices for used
copies
are not much less than the current prices on new ones.

All of this assumes, of course, that a DSLR kit is the more
appropriate
solution versus an advanced point and shoot. Being a Nikon guy, I
own the
P7000 as my go-light camera. It has very good image quality and fits
right
into my RAW workflow using Capture NX2, but like all point and
shoots, I
find it difficult to compose with, don't care for the 4:3 crop ratio
vs. the
3:2 ratio with the DSLRs and is encumbered by the myriad of other
limitations that come with such a camera. But it has a focal range
of
28-200mm in 35mm equivalency, and fits in a jacket pocket. It can be
bought
for $359 at Amazon, much less than I paid for mine. Since I assume
that
your daughter will not be needing the ability to shoot raw files,
another
option would be a superzoom, such as the new Nikon P500. It has a
fixed
lens which offers a focal range of 22.5-810mm in a package that is
sized
somewhere between the P7000 and a D3100/D90 for $400.

Happy shooting,

Russ

Thanks Russ. I definitely appreciate the input.

She's the one who picked the D3100, but I could sway her into a D90
(especially
if I'm buying it).

If you are looking for something without lenses I have a older version
of this:

http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsu...productID.2216
44300

Nice cameras, this is the one I have used for all of the shots and most
of the videos I have posted of Jessi over the years. The 30X zoom with
the Schneider lens, makes for a great little auto camera...

The jerk, out of focus videos of the kid hiding behind the helmet and
facemask?

Why bother when you can't see who it is? Could be anyone's kid.

This from the asshole that thinks every kid should be shielded from any
type of dangerous activity.

How about ignoring him? It's great for your serenity.

And it doesn't make you sound continuously foolish.

****************

Yeah...what he said, Kevin!

In article , princecraft51
@gmail.com says...

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:15:38 -0400, HarryisPaul wrote:

In article , payer3389
says...

I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:13:36 -0700, wrote:

"John wrote in message
...
...anyone know of a better deal than this for $729?

http://tinyurl.com/4zhdw35

John,

That package is offered at a great price, but it come with some
limitations
that would concern me. First, the D3100 is a good entry-level DSLR
body,
but I think stepping up to the D90 offers much more potential,
without
getting into the details. You can compare the two bodies on the
NikonUSA
website. The D90 is being offered at good prices right now, due to
it's
impending discontinuation in favor of the D7000. The D7000 is also a
very
nice body, but I think I favor the D90 when you factor in the cost.
Even
more of a concern than the body is the choice of lenses being offered
with
this package. The 18-55 is simply too limited in its range, in my
opinion.
The limited range virtually guarantees that your daughter will need
to pack
both the 18-55 and the 55-200, and will likely be switching back and
forth.
This program adds to the bulk of the kit, is inconvenient and
increases the
opportunities for foreign matter to accumulate on the sensor filter,
requiring more frequent cleaning. I'm guessing that packing lenses,
changing them out on the body and cleaning sensors is not something
you or
your daughter bargained for.

I have a friend who recently upgraded from an early model Canon
digital
Rebel. He bought the D90 from B&H. B&H is offering the d90 with the
18-105
VR as a kit for $1099. For an extra $370, you get a much more
capable body
and a much more versatile lens. Only one lens to carry and no lens
swapping. An even better deal, is ordering the D90 body and the
Nikon
18-200 VR individually. This is what my friend purchased. When you
order
this bundle from B&H, they are currently offering a $250 discount on
the
18-200, for a net price of $1319 for the bundle. Now you have the
more
capable body with an even more versatile lens. I haven't used my
18-200 for
years, ever since I purchased the 16-85, but I still have it, and
wouldn't
hesitate to mount it if I only wanted to carry my single most
versatile
lens. The best deal of all would be for you to purchase the D90 body
for
your daughter at a price of $800 and give her your 18-200 if you're
no
longer using it The D90 has been around for awhile now, I wouldn't
hesitate
to search Craigslist for a well cared for used copy with either the
18-105
or the 18-200. However, I've found that the asking prices for used
copies
are not much less than the current prices on new ones.

All of this assumes, of course, that a DSLR kit is the more
appropriate
solution versus an advanced point and shoot. Being a Nikon guy, I
own the
P7000 as my go-light camera. It has very good image quality and fits
right
into my RAW workflow using Capture NX2, but like all point and
shoots, I
find it difficult to compose with, don't care for the 4:3 crop ratio
vs. the
3:2 ratio with the DSLRs and is encumbered by the myriad of other
limitations that come with such a camera. But it has a focal range
of
28-200mm in 35mm equivalency, and fits in a jacket pocket. It can be
bought
for $359 at Amazon, much less than I paid for mine. Since I assume
that
your daughter will not be needing the ability to shoot raw files,
another
option would be a superzoom, such as the new Nikon P500. It has a
fixed
lens which offers a focal range of 22.5-810mm in a package that is
sized
somewhere between the P7000 and a D3100/D90 for $400.

Happy shooting,

Russ

Thanks Russ. I definitely appreciate the input.

She's the one who picked the D3100, but I could sway her into a D90
(especially
if I'm buying it).

If you are looking for something without lenses I have a older version
of this:

http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsu...productID.2216
44300

Nice cameras, this is the one I have used for all of the shots and most
of the videos I have posted of Jessi over the years. The 30X zoom with
the Schneider lens, makes for a great little auto camera...

The jerk, out of focus videos of the kid hiding behind the helmet and
facemask?

Why bother when you can't see who it is? Could be anyone's kid.

This from the asshole that thinks every kid should be shielded from any
type of dangerous activity.

How about ignoring him? It's great for your serenity.

And it doesn't make you sound continuously foolish.

****************

Yeah...what he said, Kevin!

Go clean that ****box of a house you have, idiot. You are a scared
little pussy and you know it. You won't bet that I'm not Kevin. Scared
little ****. That's all you are.

In article , says...

What's that old expression? If it looks like a pig, smells like a pig
and craps like a pig, it's Loogy.

You've apparently convinced those who remember the "old Loogy" posts
that you are Loogy by the nature of your posts, by the subjects you
bring up, by your constant repetition of inanities, by your penchant for
incessantly repeating bets that interest no one. Whether you are Loogy
or not, you act like him here. Therefore, you "are" Loogy.

If you are someone else, it's easy enough to demonstrate that. But I
think you prefer the handle behind which you are hiding, Loogy. Why not
just confess and get on with your sorry little life.

Here's an idea: bet yourself $500 that you aren't Loogy, and then prove
yourself wrong.


How did Harry transfer his hard-on for Loogy to Paul?

For Paul to the a university professor like he claims you would think
that he wouldn't be as vapid and develop a hatred for someone he has
never communicated with directly.

In article , says...

On 3/26/2011 10:14 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:37:19 -0400,
wrote:

John H wrote:
...anyone know of a better deal than this for $729?

http://tinyurl.com/4zhdw35



Does she want to mess around with a DSLR? That Nikon is a great outfit
and the price seems pretty good, but perhaps she'd want a simpler way to
take great photos, like the Canon Powershot g12:

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-G12-Digi.../dp/B0041RSPRS

====

Or one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-SD1200IS.../dp/B001SER492

That little Canon is such a great camera, and so convenient to carry,
that I'm using my Nikon DSLR less and less.


I like my Brownie Starflash, but it is hard to find film for it at the
local drug store.

Really Harry, it appears you have been having the same problem for about
9 years.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...71bcf69e6eacd7

Dumb-ass.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:28:07 -0400, BAR wrote:

For Paul to the a university professor like he claims you would think
that he wouldn't be as vapid and develop a hatred for someone he has
never communicated with directly.

Exactly right.

"Paul" is no more a professor than Harry, and most likely is Harry.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:32:07 -0400, BAR wrote:

Really Harry, it appears you have been having the same problem for about
9 years.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...71bcf69e6eacd7

Thanks, that kind of clinches it. What a lame assed putz with
nothing better to do than make up internet personas that agree with
him.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:32:07 -0400, wrote:

Really Harry, it appears you have been having the same problem for about
9 years.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...71bcf69e6eacd7

Thanks, that kind of clinches it. What a lame assed putz with
nothing better to do than make up internet personas that agree with
him.


A pair of putzes...w'hine and bertie the birther. Everyone I know over
40 had a Brownie camera at some point in their lives. I had a Hawkeye
Brownie or Brownie Hawkeye and several others. I also owned a Chevy...I
wonder if anyone else did.

Crikey, Bertie the failed marine and w'hine the corporate apologist. No
wonder this country is going down the toilet.

Harryk wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:32:07 -0400, wrote:

Really Harry, it appears you have been having the same problem for about
9 years.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...71bcf69e6eacd7

Thanks, that kind of clinches it. What a lame assed putz with
nothing better to do than make up internet personas that agree with
him.


A pair of putzes...w'hine and bertie the birther. Everyone I know over
40 had a Brownie camera at some point in their lives. I had a Hawkeye
Brownie or Brownie Hawkeye and several others. I also owned a Chevy...I
wonder if anyone else did.

Crikey, Bertie the failed marine and w'hine the corporate apologist. No
wonder this country is going down the toilet.



I had a ford, too...anyone else?

W'hine and Bertie...boy detectives.