On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:03:41 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 00:55:57 -0700, jps wrote:


Dang, Walmart is super handy for all your shopping needs...

A gunman bought ammunition at a Walmart in Nevada shortly before
opening fire on three co-workers in the same store, authorities said
Monday.

Suspect John Dennis Gillane purchased the handgun ammunition in the
sporting goods department about an hour before three managers were
shot on Friday, police said.

The attacker was armed with two handguns during the videotaped attack
but only a semi-automatic pistol was fired, police Lt. Mohammad
Rafaqat said. The .44-magnum revolver for which the ammunition was
bought was not fired, Rafaqat added.


I sure hope they start carrying some larger ordinance so we won't have
to risk purchasing serious arms from creepy douchebags.

Oh, give it a rest.

Trying to blame guns for killing is like blaming pencils for
misspelled words....

I was just remarking on how convenient it is to work and kill, all
within the confines of a single Walmart. They've got everything
anybody would ever want. Plus, they support our Chinese Communist
Overlords.

Very tidy. Maybe they could get in the incarceration biz. We could
have our own prison labor just like the Chinese. We need another run
at the company town. That was a real good system.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 00:55:57 -0700, jps wrote:


Dang, Walmart is super handy for all your shopping needs...

A gunman bought ammunition at a Walmart in Nevada shortly before
opening fire on three co-workers in the same store, authorities said
Monday.

Suspect John Dennis Gillane purchased the handgun ammunition in the
sporting goods department about an hour before three managers were
shot on Friday, police said.

The attacker was armed with two handguns during the videotaped attack
but only a semi-automatic pistol was fired, police Lt. Mohammad
Rafaqat said. The .44-magnum revolver for which the ammunition was
bought was not fired, Rafaqat added.


I sure hope they start carrying some larger ordinance so we won't have
to risk purchasing serious arms from creepy douchebags.

Oh, give it a rest.

Trying to blame guns for killing is like blaming pencils for
misspelled words....

Besides that, his buddy Harry loves guns.

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 07:30:40 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 00:56:27 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:03:41 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 00:55:57 -0700, jps wrote:


Dang, Walmart is super handy for all your shopping needs...

A gunman bought ammunition at a Walmart in Nevada shortly before
opening fire on three co-workers in the same store, authorities said
Monday.

Suspect John Dennis Gillane purchased the handgun ammunition in the
sporting goods department about an hour before three managers were
shot on Friday, police said.

The attacker was armed with two handguns during the videotaped attack
but only a semi-automatic pistol was fired, police Lt. Mohammad
Rafaqat said. The .44-magnum revolver for which the ammunition was
bought was not fired, Rafaqat added.


I sure hope they start carrying some larger ordinance so we won't have
to risk purchasing serious arms from creepy douchebags.

Oh, give it a rest.

Trying to blame guns for killing is like blaming pencils for
misspelled words....

I was just remarking on how convenient it is to work and kill, all
within the confines of a single Walmart. They've got everything
anybody would ever want. Plus, they support our Chinese Communist
Overlords.

Very tidy. Maybe they could get in the incarceration biz. We could
have our own prison labor just like the Chinese. We need another run
at the company town. That was a real good system.

Walmart sucks. I'm talking about your preoccupation with guns shooting
people.....

What else would you shoot people with? A bic pen and a spit wad?

No chance you could kill your workmates with any sort of timely
efficiency without a purpose-built tool. I used to purchase
purpose-built tools from Snap-On. It not only made jobs easier, it
made 'em possible.

Walmart makes it easy to serve our overlord master Communists and kill
our fellow citizens with speed. What a handy program they've got
going.

The company town, all under a single roof. And the money all goes
overseas, apart from Walmart's profit and the stingy wages they pay.

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 21:31:55 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:18:39 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 07:30:40 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 00:56:27 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:03:41 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 00:55:57 -0700, jps wrote:


Dang, Walmart is super handy for all your shopping needs...

A gunman bought ammunition at a Walmart in Nevada shortly before
opening fire on three co-workers in the same store, authorities said
Monday.

Suspect John Dennis Gillane purchased the handgun ammunition in the
sporting goods department about an hour before three managers were
shot on Friday, police said.

The attacker was armed with two handguns during the videotaped attack
but only a semi-automatic pistol was fired, police Lt. Mohammad
Rafaqat said. The .44-magnum revolver for which the ammunition was
bought was not fired, Rafaqat added.


I sure hope they start carrying some larger ordinance so we won't have
to risk purchasing serious arms from creepy douchebags.

Oh, give it a rest.

Trying to blame guns for killing is like blaming pencils for
misspelled words....

I was just remarking on how convenient it is to work and kill, all
within the confines of a single Walmart. They've got everything
anybody would ever want. Plus, they support our Chinese Communist
Overlords.

Very tidy. Maybe they could get in the incarceration biz. We could
have our own prison labor just like the Chinese. We need another run
at the company town. That was a real good system.

Walmart sucks. I'm talking about your preoccupation with guns shooting
people.....

What else would you shoot people with? A bic pen and a spit wad?

No chance you could kill your workmates with any sort of timely
efficiency without a purpose-built tool. I used to purchase
purpose-built tools from Snap-On. It not only made jobs easier, it
made 'em possible.

Walmart makes it easy to serve our overlord master Communists and kill
our fellow citizens with speed. What a handy program they've got
going.

The company town, all under a single roof. And the money all goes
overseas, apart from Walmart's profit and the stingy wages they pay.

I was taught to kill people with a number of different tools. I don't
think a handgun would be in the top 5.

Obviously, trying to tie any of this to Walmart is really reaching.

I agree wholeheartedly with you concerning Walmart. I think your gun
position smacks of Kool-Aid....

I'm fine with guns in the right folks' hands. Unfortunately, it's
hard to tell who the right folks are before something goes wrong.

We just had a 4 year old shoot his mother (accidently) after the
father had given the kid a shotgun shell. He failed to recognize that
the kid was smart enough to load the shotgun they were keeping over in
the corner.

The local headlines said that the husband was "kicking himself" over
giving the kid that shell. I think he should be bashing himself in
the head with a rock.

The kid might have been trying for a new set of parents.

Walmart isn't alone. Target is right up there with 'em. We're
selling out our own country in order to buy cheap crap.

It's an illustration of how easily people will vote against their best
interests. In this case they vote with their feet and their money,
forgetting what it'll cause a year from now or ten years from now and
that their kids are going to need work.

Americans need a bloody wake up call. Not the Jeffersonian
bloodletting but the one that slaps idiots upside the head for
supporting American corporations that show no compassion for the
workers and country that gave them the platform to be successful, for
they speed the loss of our our ability to compete.

We will join England and Japan in a colleciton of the flaccid and
formerly great.

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 21:31:55 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:18:39 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 07:30:40 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 00:56:27 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:03:41 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 00:55:57 -0700, jps wrote:


Dang, Walmart is super handy for all your shopping needs...

A gunman bought ammunition at a Walmart in Nevada shortly before
opening fire on three co-workers in the same store, authorities said
Monday.

Suspect John Dennis Gillane purchased the handgun ammunition in the
sporting goods department about an hour before three managers were
shot on Friday, police said.

The attacker was armed with two handguns during the videotaped attack
but only a semi-automatic pistol was fired, police Lt. Mohammad
Rafaqat said. The .44-magnum revolver for which the ammunition was
bought was not fired, Rafaqat added.


I sure hope they start carrying some larger ordinance so we won't have
to risk purchasing serious arms from creepy douchebags.

Oh, give it a rest.

Trying to blame guns for killing is like blaming pencils for
misspelled words....

I was just remarking on how convenient it is to work and kill, all
within the confines of a single Walmart. They've got everything
anybody would ever want. Plus, they support our Chinese Communist
Overlords.

Very tidy. Maybe they could get in the incarceration biz. We could
have our own prison labor just like the Chinese. We need another run
at the company town. That was a real good system.

Walmart sucks. I'm talking about your preoccupation with guns shooting
people.....

What else would you shoot people with? A bic pen and a spit wad?

No chance you could kill your workmates with any sort of timely
efficiency without a purpose-built tool. I used to purchase
purpose-built tools from Snap-On. It not only made jobs easier, it
made 'em possible.

Walmart makes it easy to serve our overlord master Communists and kill
our fellow citizens with speed. What a handy program they've got
going.

The company town, all under a single roof. And the money all goes
overseas, apart from Walmart's profit and the stingy wages they pay.

I was taught to kill people with a number of different tools. I don't
think a handgun would be in the top 5.

Obviously, trying to tie any of this to Walmart is really reaching.

I agree wholeheartedly with you concerning Walmart. I think your gun
position smacks of Kool-Aid....

Our WalMart doesn't sell handguns. Several dealers in the area, but the WalMart
carries only shotguns and bb guns.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H

"HarryK" wrote in message
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On 11/4/10 7:41 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 01:33:35 -0400, wrote:



wrote in message
...

Walmart makes it easy to serve our overlord master Communists and kill
our fellow citizens with speed. What a handy program they've got
going.


Americans need a bloody wake up call. Not the Jeffersonian
bloodletting but the one that slaps idiots upside the head for
supporting American corporations that show no compassion for the
workers and country that gave them the platform to be successful, for
they speed the loss of our our ability to compete.


Although I agree with you in principle, I would also emphasize that the
change in attitude or policy must originate from the consumer. A
corporation (Wal-Mart in this case) is simply responding to consumer
demand. An example from my current interests:

At one time a Chicago based company called Harmony was the largest USA
manufacturer of guitars. They made Harmony, Kay, name branded models
for
Sears (under the "Silvertone" name) plus several more. Harmony was a
huge
and very successful company, building affordable instruments with the
major
US market share for sales.

Then, in the 70's, companies in Japan started building cheap copies of
Harmony type guitars.
Instead of being manufactured of solid wood, the back and sides of these
Japanese imports were built of cheaper to manufacture laminates.

Sticking to the true art of luthiery Harmony refused to switch to
laminate
guitars and their inferior tonal qualities. They tried to compete with
solid
wood guitars. By the end of the 1970's, Harmony was out of business and
their employees were out of jobs.

The consumer chose cheap.

Eisboch



I wonder why Harmony didn't come out with a cheap line, like Sears has
done with
its tools?

Are the more inexpensive guitars still made in Japan? I would think not,
since Japan no longer is among the lowest cost labor markets.

The PRC has an interesting attitude towards its managers of cheap labor:
build it as cheaply as possible, but if you skip too many steps, we'll
execute you.

Some of their bad managers emigrate, as this example of collusion
between Chinese managers and the government of Zambia illustrates:

Chinese Mine Managers Charged in Zambia Shootings to Go on Trial

Two Chinese mine managers in Zambia went on trial in November on
charges of shooting and wounding 13 miners at a coal mine in the
southern part of the country. Many Zambians are expressing disapproval
of President Rupiah Banda's administration for failing to take punitive
action against the managers, according to news reports on the Voice of
America

The shooting of Zambian miners by Chinese managers in October at the
Collum Mine has created tension among Zambian citizens, trade unions and
civil society.

Thirteen miners were seriously wounded as they and co-workers staged a
protest demanding better wages and working conditions at the
Chinese-operated coal mine. Lack of prompt action by the state following
the shooting incident brewed anger among Zambians.

Lusaka resident Hector Mwiinga said the stance taken by President
Rupiah Banda's administration would cost his party votes in next year's
polls.

"Let us not entertain the mediocre type of leadership Zambians have
suffered for so long under the poor leadership of President Rupiah
Banda," said Mwiinga. "We want leaders that will create conducive
environment for both the investors and the Zambian people."
Protest Barred

Following the incident, youths from the opposition Patriotic Front and
United Party for National Development were barred by police and embassy
authorities from presenting a petition to the Chinese ambassador to
Zambia. The petition asked the Chinese government to publicly apologize
for the shooting.

United Party for National Development youth chairperson Brain Hapunda
says the petition also appealed to the Chinese Embassy in Lusaka, to
summon all Chinese nationals and investors to a meeting where they would
be told how to operate within the confines of Zambian labor laws.

Some Zambians accused the government of siding with foreign investors
and Chinese in particular.

Mazabuka resident Stumbeko Sitwala said labor laws are implemented in
favor of Chinese investors. China has invested more than $400 million
in Zambia's mining industry, but workers, trade unions and opposition
political parties have criticized its methods.


"Zambia's law has been implemented selectively," said Mazabuka.

Another Lusaka resident, Justice Maumbi, called for fellow Zambians to
ensure that they stand up for their rights.

"We need to stand up and tell these people whether local or foreign
that we are human beings. We deserve to be treated like human beings,"
said Maumbi.
In 2005, five Zambians were shot and wounded by managers during pay
riots at the Chinese-owned Chambishi mine in Zambia's mining region of
Copper belt.




Did they get the guns at Wal-Mart?
(Just had to do it.)

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HarryK" wrote in message
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Are the more inexpensive guitars still made in Japan? I would think not,
since Japan no longer is among the lowest cost labor markets.


Some of the more "affordable" guitars are made in Japan ... Gretsch and some
Fenders for example. Affordable meaning under $1000. Many are also made in
Korea and Mexico.
Virtually all the "big" names in guitar manufacturers have developed
lower-end versions of their products that are imported. Even Paul Reed
Smith has a SE import line now.

Many lower priced guitars are also made in China under legitimate licensing
agreements with both American and European manufacturers. Gibson's Epiphone
line is mostly built in China now. Many of these guitars are of first rate
quality. By law, all these imports have the county of origin indicated on
them.

But, there's also some unauthorized Chinese companies making copies of
high-end American guitars. This is what frosts me. E-Bay and other
Internet sources carry these unauthorized imports. They are very well made
.... sometimes fooling the experts. They have a fictitious serial number on
them that looks like the real thing and some even have "Made in USA" stamped
on the rear of the headstocks. They sell a Gibson Les Paul Standard copy
for about $350.
The real thing, made in the USA, costs well over $2,000.

Some Chinese companies are manufacturing items in accordance with
international laws.
Unfortunately, many are not.

Eisboch


Reply:
My Yamaha Acoustic says it is made in China to Yamaha specifications.

"Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 09:51:41 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"HarryK" wrote in message
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"Goldie" Goldfarb himself is long gone...he was an old man when I knew
him. I think the business merged with another instrument shoppe. Goldie's
was the place to buy professional quality instruments of all sorts. I, of
course, was the direct opposite of a professional quality musician.

I have a recollection of Goldie's Music. Didn't know Goldie, but I think
I
remember the store.
This really has nothing to do with boats, so I'll drop the subject. I was
really commenting on jps's comments regarding Wal-Mart and US businesses in
general. My point was that I think the consumer is as much to blame (if
not
more so) for the abundance of cheap Chinese products on the market. There
is no way an American business with the expected payscales and benefit
packages can compete with anything built in China ... authorized or not.
But as long as people want them and buy them, they will continue to
dominate
the consumer goods market.
Tough problem, because it's far more difficult to take something away than
to have never given it in the first place.

To bring this back around to boats, I've heard that some trawler
clones are being built in China - good quality boats from what I
understand sold under various brands.

I know a local guy who had one custom built at some yard around
Shanghi - cost him a third of what a standard, say, Grand Banks would
have cost. He did have to purchase Volvo diesels and transmissions
because he didn't have a lot of faith in the Chinese diesels or
trannys.

I haven't seen the boat, but I have seen pictures - it looks like a
very high quality boat.


Reply:
Cheoy Lee Yachts has been in business since the 1800's. Nice boats. My
F-I-L had a Cheoy Lee Bermuda 32. Other than too much teak, was beautiful,
and great fit and finish.