On 10/15/10 5:31 PM, A.Boater wrote:
John, I don't know what you are thinking. Harry is entirely correct.

Personally, having owned one Jap piece of junk, I'd never go there again.
Currently, I own a domestic 1/2 ton that will pull over 10,000 pounds. I get
17 MPG City and 21 MPG Hwy and that, with a 4WD model. If you are going to
tow the boat out of steep slimy boat ramps, you WANT 4wd.

One important point to consider is that a lot of these (especially foreign)
engines are designed to produce torque and horsepower at higher RPM. That
makes sense for a car, but a truck is going to drive you nuts when towing as
it tachs 4,000 RPM, most of the time, and eats fuel at that rate. Yeah, and
do you REALLY want gangsta tires and wheels on a truck?

I'll be doing more towing in the future and my next truck will be a diesel.
It makes a LOT more sense as a tow vehicle, has hugely better longevity, and
a much better resale. It isn't a coincidence that all long haul trucks are
diesel.

This is a large ticket item. The bitter taste of poor quality lingers far
longer than the initial sweetness of a cheap price. And it does so, in
proportion to the sticker price.

But, your call.


I towed a 7000-pound plus boat behind a Toyota Tundra and later a Toyota
4-Runner with Toyota's V8 engine. One in a great while, while towing up
a steep grade, the engines might have spun up to 2700 rpm. At normal,
safe highway towing speeds, the engines loafed along at 2200-2300 rpm.

I expect the newer, larger Toyota V8 to tow its full capacity loads at
similar RPMs.

That said, I'd also go for a diesel if I were towing a boat rig or other
trailer of 10000 pounds or more. But...I wouldn't buy a 10000-pound plus
"trailer" boat.

My guess is that Herring is going to have $70,000 tied up in that used
truck and heavy duty camper. That's a real example of the aphorism about
a fool and his money.


--
Guns Don't Kill People -- Fundamentalist Religion Kills People!

"Secular Humouresque" wrote in message
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On 10/15/10 5:31 PM, A.Boater wrote:
John, I don't know what you are thinking. Harry is entirely correct.

Personally, having owned one Jap piece of junk, I'd never go there again.
Currently, I own a domestic 1/2 ton that will pull over 10,000 pounds. I
get
17 MPG City and 21 MPG Hwy and that, with a 4WD model. If you are going
to
tow the boat out of steep slimy boat ramps, you WANT 4wd.

One important point to consider is that a lot of these (especially
foreign)
engines are designed to produce torque and horsepower at higher RPM. That
makes sense for a car, but a truck is going to drive you nuts when towing
as
it tachs 4,000 RPM, most of the time, and eats fuel at that rate. Yeah,
and
do you REALLY want gangsta tires and wheels on a truck?

I'll be doing more towing in the future and my next truck will be a
diesel.
It makes a LOT more sense as a tow vehicle, has hugely better longevity,
and
a much better resale. It isn't a coincidence that all long haul trucks
are
diesel.

This is a large ticket item. The bitter taste of poor quality lingers far
longer than the initial sweetness of a cheap price. And it does so, in
proportion to the sticker price.

But, your call.


I towed a 7000-pound plus boat behind a Toyota Tundra and later a Toyota
4-Runner with Toyota's V8 engine. One in a great while, while towing up a
steep grade, the engines might have spun up to 2700 rpm. At normal, safe
highway towing speeds, the engines loafed along at 2200-2300 rpm.

I expect the newer, larger Toyota V8 to tow its full capacity loads at
similar RPMs.

That said, I'd also go for a diesel if I were towing a boat rig or other
trailer of 10000 pounds or more. But...I wouldn't buy a 10000-pound plus
"trailer" boat.

My guess is that Herring is going to have $70,000 tied up in that used
truck and heavy duty camper. That's a real example of the aphorism about a
fool and his money.



His money... an unending supply from Uncle Sam to his bank account courtesy
of the American taxpayer.
I would think money is the last of his problems.... I'd be nervous of him
handling anything that big towing a travel trailer larger than his current
one.

On Oct 16, 9:26*am, "YukonBound" wrote:
"Secular Humouresque" wrote in message

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On 10/15/10 5:31 PM, A.Boater wrote:
John, I don't know what you are thinking. Harry is entirely correct.

Personally, having owned one Jap piece of junk, I'd never go there again.
Currently, I own a domestic 1/2 ton that will pull over 10,000 pounds. I
get
17 MPG City and 21 MPG Hwy and that, with a 4WD model. If you are going
to
tow the boat out of steep slimy boat ramps, you WANT 4wd.

One important point to consider is that a lot of these (especially
foreign)
engines are designed to produce torque and horsepower at higher RPM. That
makes sense for a car, but a truck is going to drive you nuts when towing
as
it tachs 4,000 RPM, most of the time, and eats fuel at that rate. Yeah,
and
do you REALLY want gangsta tires and wheels on a truck?

I'll be doing more towing in the future and my next truck will be a
diesel.
It makes a LOT more sense as a tow vehicle, has hugely better longevity,
and
a much better resale. It isn't a coincidence that all long haul trucks
are
diesel.

This is a large ticket item. The bitter taste of poor quality lingers far
longer than the initial sweetness of a cheap price. And it does so, in
proportion to the sticker price.

But, your call.

I towed a 7000-pound plus boat behind a Toyota Tundra and later a Toyota
4-Runner with Toyota's V8 engine. One in a great while, while towing up a
steep grade, the engines might have spun up to 2700 rpm. At normal, safe
highway towing speeds, the engines loafed along at 2200-2300 rpm.

I expect the newer, larger Toyota V8 to tow its full capacity loads at
similar RPMs.

That said, I'd also go for a diesel if I were towing a boat rig or other
trailer of 10000 pounds or more. But...I wouldn't buy a 10000-pound plus
"trailer" boat.

My guess is that Herring is going to have $70,000 tied up in that used
truck and heavy duty camper. That's a real example of the aphorism about a
fool and his money.

His money... an unending supply from Uncle Sam to his bank account courtesy
of the American taxpayer.
I would think money is the last of his problems.... I'd be nervous of him
handling anything that big towing a travel trailer larger than his current
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BFD what you think.. You are a poorly educated, broom pusher from some
slum 1000 miles north of anybody who counts. I see you and the boys
are still infatuated with me, something like 75 posts a day about me
from the three of you.. Sweet...

On 10/16/10 9:31 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:


BFD what you think.. You are a poorly educated, broom pusher from some
slum 1000 miles north of anybody who counts. I see you and the boys
are still infatuated with me, something like 75 posts a day about me
from the three of you.. Sweet...


Now that is a really funny post from our favorite little right-wing
twerp, the very same fellow who has no education and couldn't hang onto
a job cleaning out a horse stable.

It's not that we're infatuated with you, it's just that you are very
much like a wreck on the highway...there's almost a compulsion to slow
down and take a look.

Besides, you're my *designated" moron. You're the only one of the
moronic ID spoofers whose posts I read. Be thankful.


--
Guns Don't Kill People -- Fundamentalist Religion Kills People!

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says...

On 10/16/10 9:31 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:


BFD what you think.. You are a poorly educated, broom pusher from some
slum 1000 miles north of anybody who counts. I see you and the boys
are still infatuated with me, something like 75 posts a day about me
from the three of you.. Sweet...


Now that is a really funny post from our favorite little right-wing
twerp, the very same fellow who has no education and couldn't hang onto
a job cleaning out a horse stable.

It's not that we're infatuated with you, it's just that you are very
much like a wreck on the highway...there's almost a compulsion to slow
down and take a look.

Besides, you're my *designated" moron. You're the only one of the
moronic ID spoofers whose posts I read. Be thankful.

If you're not infatuated with him and loogy, why do you post about them
several times a day? Hell, one of them isn't even here anymore, yet you
continue. Sad, truly sad.

I'd be nervous of him
handling anything that big towing a travel trailer larger than his current
one.

Well, I'm sure John has driven an M35-A2 Oshkosh down places that
wern't considered a road before.

Pulling a truck and a camper or boat should be a breeze.

On 10/16/10 3:22 PM, Tim wrote:


I'd be nervous of him
handling anything that big towing a travel trailer larger than his current
one.

Well, I'm sure John has driven an M35-A2 Oshkosh down places that
wern't considered a road before.

Pulling a truck and a camper or boat should be a breeze.


Depends on the driver and the circumstances. I've seen large travel
trailers and large boats literally virtually jackknife on the road in
front of us when the driver swerved for one reason or another. In my
opinion, too many trailer towers drive too damned fast for conditions
and their abilities. 60-65 mph should be the legal limit when you are
towing a trailer and there should be a mandatory road safety course plus
a notation on your license before you can tow anything bigger than the
smallest trailer.
--
Guns Don't Kill People -- Fundamentalist Religion Kills People!

On Oct 16, 2:30*pm, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/16/10 3:22 PM, Tim wrote:



I'd be nervous of him
handling anything that big towing a travel trailer larger than his current
one.

Well, I'm sure John has driven an *M35-A2 *Oshkosh down places that
wern't considered a road before.

Pulling a truck and a camper or boat should be a breeze.

Depends on the driver and the circumstances. I've seen large travel
trailers and large boats literally virtually jackknife on the road in
front of us when the driver swerved for one reason or another. In my
opinion, too many trailer towers drive too damned fast for conditions
and their abilities. 60-65 mph should be the legal limit when you are
towing a trailer and there should be a mandatory road safety course plus
a notation on your license before you can tow anything bigger than the
smallest trailer.
--
Guns Don't Kill People -- Fundamentalist Religion Kills People!

In Illinois the max speed for anything pulling a trailer is 60 mph. I
will agree that there are alot of simpletons out there who go too fast
on the interstates and demand too much out of their towing vehicle.

I blame that alot on the pick up builders advertizing outragous
pulling capacities with minimal safety equipment like... brakes.
especially on the trailer.

On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:35:19 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Oct 16, 2:30*pm, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/16/10 3:22 PM, Tim wrote:



I'd be nervous of him
handling anything that big towing a travel trailer larger than his current
one.

Well, I'm sure John has driven an *M35-A2 *Oshkosh down places that
wern't considered a road before.

Pulling a truck and a camper or boat should be a breeze.

Depends on the driver and the circumstances. I've seen large travel
trailers and large boats literally virtually jackknife on the road in
front of us when the driver swerved for one reason or another. In my
opinion, too many trailer towers drive too damned fast for conditions
and their abilities. 60-65 mph should be the legal limit when you are
towing a trailer and there should be a mandatory road safety course plus
a notation on your license before you can tow anything bigger than the
smallest trailer.
--
Guns Don't Kill People -- Fundamentalist Religion Kills People!

In Illinois the max speed for anything pulling a trailer is 60 mph. I
will agree that there are alot of simpletons out there who go too fast
on the interstates and demand too much out of their towing vehicle.

I blame that alot on the pick up builders advertizing outragous
pulling capacities with minimal safety equipment like... brakes.
especially on the trailer.

In Virginia the trailers must be safety inspected annually. Anything over about
3000lbs (lnot sure of the number), must have trailer brakes. These are checked
annually.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On Oct 17, 7:24*am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:35:19 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Oct 16, 2:30*pm, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/16/10 3:22 PM, Tim wrote:

I'd be nervous of him
handling anything that big towing a travel trailer larger than his current
one.

Well, I'm sure John has driven an *M35-A2 *Oshkosh down places that
wern't considered a road before.

Pulling a truck and a camper or boat should be a breeze.

Depends on the driver and the circumstances. I've seen large travel
trailers and large boats literally virtually jackknife on the road in
front of us when the driver swerved for one reason or another. In my
opinion, too many trailer towers drive too damned fast for conditions
and their abilities. 60-65 mph should be the legal limit when you are
towing a trailer and there should be a mandatory road safety course plus
a notation on your license before you can tow anything bigger than the
smallest trailer.
--
Guns Don't Kill People -- Fundamentalist Religion Kills People!

In Illinois the max speed for anything pulling a trailer is 60 mph. I
will agree that there are alot of simpletons out there who go too fast
on the interstates and demand too much out of their towing vehicle.

I blame that alot on the pick up builders advertizing outragous
pulling capacities with minimal safety equipment like... brakes.
especially on the trailer.

In Virginia the trailers must be safety inspected annually. Anything over about
3000lbs (lnot sure of the number), must have trailer brakes. These are checked
annually.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

Sucks to be in Virginny.... Up here, if the trailer originally didn't
come with brakes, it don't need them.