In all fairness....

* Attacked and took over two countries.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month
period.
* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
* First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by
any president in US history.
* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over
the worst security failure in US history.
* Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other
president in US history.
* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
*Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president
in US history.
* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any
president in US history.
* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any
president since the advent of television.
* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any
president in US history.
* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.
* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use
the national reserves as past presidents have.
* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
* Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take
to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for
protest against any person in the history of mankind.
* Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
* My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US
history.
* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.
(the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker
named after her).
* First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously go bankrupt.
* Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in
any country in the history of the world.
* First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation
of a sovereign nation.
* Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of
the United States.
* Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more
than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US
from the human rights commission.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US
from the elections monitoring board.
* Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
* Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
* Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
* Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default
no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
* First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors
(during the 2002 US elections).
* All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign
donations.
* My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest
corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of
Enron Corporation).
* Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US
history.
* First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation
against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
* First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then
lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
* First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
* Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a
year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the
biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
* With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile
Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
* First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe
(71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
* First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more
threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
* Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government
contracts.
* Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated
US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for
government contracts.
* Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
* Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of
our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no
leads and zero suspects.
* In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented
any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of
the United States.
* Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other
president in US history.
* In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades,
possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
* Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than
two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.


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Nom=de=Plume

On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

* Attacked and took over two countries.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

how DARE you!!! he's RICH!! he's WHITE...he's a CHRISTIAN!!

he helped the rich get richer while ensuring the middle class stayed
in its place...

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

The Iraq war was started not because of some ugly dictator. It was started
because of the neocon wetdream vision of transforming the middle east into a
laissez-faire capitalism.

The Afg. war WOULD have accomplished more than it has if Bush had actually
finished the job. He was the worst failure in US history.

Here. I posted it again for you.

* Attacked and took over two countries.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month
period.
* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
* First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by
any president in US history.
* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over
the worst security failure in US history.
* Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other
president in US history.
* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
*Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president
in US history.
* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any
president in US history.
* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any
president since the advent of television.
* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any
president in US history.
* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.
* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use
the national reserves as past presidents have.
* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
* Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take
to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for
protest against any person in the history of mankind.
* Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
* My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US
history.
* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.
(the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker
named after her).
* First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously go bankrupt.
* Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in
any country in the history of the world.
* First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation
of a sovereign nation.
* Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of
the United States.
* Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more
than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US
from the human rights commission.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US
from the elections monitoring board.
* Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
* Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
* Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
* Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default
no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
* First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors
(during the 2002 US elections).
* All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign
donations.
* My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest
corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of
Enron Corporation).
* Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US
history.
* First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation
against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
* First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then
lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
* First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
* Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a
year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the
biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
* With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile
Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
* First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe
(71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
* First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more
threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
* Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government
contracts.
* Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated
US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for
government contracts.
* Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
* Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of
our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no
leads and zero suspects.
* In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented
any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of
the United States.
* Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other
president in US history.
* In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades,
possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
* Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than
two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:50:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

The Iraq war was started not because of some ugly dictator. It was started
because of the neocon wetdream vision of transforming the middle east into
a
laissez-faire capitalism.

Iraq all about Israel, as the upcoming Iran war will be.

Nope. The Jews didn't do it this time. It was the right-wing Christians.

Afg was and is a useless war. There is nothing to win there.

Nope. The Taliban supported and protected bin laden. There was and possibly
still is something to stablize.

The Afg. war WOULD have accomplished more than it has if Bush had actually
finished the job. He was the worst failure in US history.

Here. I posted it again for you.

Repeating a rant does not make it any more true.
I am sure I can go to some GOP site and get a list that polished GWs
turd like the list you posted about Clinton but I bet history puts
them all in the same category.
They will be presidents with no nation changing accomplishments and
each have one interesting anecdote. Bush will be remembere\d for Bush
v Gore and Clinton will be remembered as being the second president to
be impeached, with the blow jobs being the snicker factor that makes
it memorable.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:47:32 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:50:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

The Iraq war was started not because of some ugly dictator. It was
started
because of the neocon wetdream vision of transforming the middle east
into
a
laissez-faire capitalism.

Iraq all about Israel, as the upcoming Iran war will be.

Nope. The Jews didn't do it this time. It was the right-wing Christians.

Saddam never threatened the US and Iran is not threatening the US. You
do the math. Who are they threatening?

Our oil interests in the region. Do the math.

Afg was and is a useless war. There is nothing to win there.

Nope. The Taliban supported and protected bin laden. There was and
possibly
still is something to stablize.

All we have done is strengthen the Taliban. They are now the patriots
and we are the invader. It has come out that Bin Laden was only the
finance anyway. The real mastermind behind 9-11 was Khalid Sheikh
Mohammed and we have been torturing him in Gitmo for years.
The real deterrent to serious attacks these days is cutting off the
money, not chasing ghosts around the mountains of SE Afghanistan.
We have become very successful at that, using drug war tools.

Among some, I'm sure that's true. Most Afghanistan people just want to live
in peace and they don't particularly like the Taliban.

It's nice to know you have inside information about who is doing what to
whom wrt to terrorism. I'm sure the intelligence community would like to
hear from you!

Actually, we stopped torturing him during the Bush administration, and it
was over a couple of months, not years. So much for your facts.

And, how do you propose we "cut off the money"? We've not been successful
doing that using "drug war" tools. Actually, the Taliban were pretty good at
it.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:30:38 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Saddam never threatened the US and Iran is not threatening the US. You
do the math. Who are they threatening?

Our oil interests in the region. Do the math.

"Oil" is a red herring for knee jerkers.
The oil companies would have been more than happy to business with
Saddam and he was a willing seller.
If we were not killing people in the middle east oil would be 30 bucks
a barrel.

But Saddam wasn't really a willing seller and he had a lot of baggage. The
great game is what was/is going on.

Actually, it's the instability that causes high prices... mostly. Complain
to OPEC for the rest. They can't seem to get it together very often.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:30:38 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

All we have done is strengthen the Taliban. They are now the patriots
and we are the invader. It has come out that Bin Laden was only the
finance anyway. The real mastermind behind 9-11 was Khalid Sheikh
Mohammed and we have been torturing him in Gitmo for years.
The real deterrent to serious attacks these days is cutting off the
money, not chasing ghosts around the mountains of SE Afghanistan.
We have become very successful at that, using drug war tools.

Among some, I'm sure that's true. Most Afghanistan people just want to
live
in peace and they don't particularly like the Taliban.

True but we are giving the Taliban the reason to make them believe we
are the bad guys.
Nothing tags you as a bad guy faster that blowing up a bunch of women
and children.

We don't do that regularly, and compared to what the Taliban did and does,
it's noise.

It's nice to know you have inside information about who is doing what to
whom wrt to terrorism. I'm sure the intelligence community would like to
hear from you!

This is on the f*cking Wiki 9-11 page, (KSM/9-11) it is not a secret.

Actually, we stopped torturing him during the Bush administration, and it
was over a couple of months, not years. So much for your facts.

OK we haven't tortured him lately. He is still locked up and we will
end up hanging him some day.

And, how do you propose we "cut off the money"? We've not been successful
doing that using "drug war" tools. Actually, the Taliban were pretty good
at
it.
We are using the same kind of tracking money transfers they used to
stop the Colombia/Caymans money laundering. Now the Taliban is left
with moving money the same way the Mexican drug cartels do, in cash.
That is not easy to do from Kandahar and we are monitoring all
communications in and out of the area. OBL may be there and he may
have some millions of dollars in a bank somewhere but he has no way to
access it and if he does try, we will take the money ... just like we
would if a drug dealer had it. I guarantee you, if you wire $1000 to
your kid somewhere, NSA will see that transaction and someone will
look you both over. Back in the olden days it would only be the DEA
and IRS looking.

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:07:17 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:47:32 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Nope. The Jews didn't do it this time. It was the right-wing Christians.

Saddam never threatened the US and Iran is not threatening the US. You
do the math. Who are they threatening?

iran is killing US troops. is that enough for you? oh...


Afg was and is a useless war. There is nothing to win there.

Nope. The Taliban supported and protected bin laden. There was and possibly
still is something to stablize.

All we have done is strengthen the Taliban

really? they once ran a country. now they live in caves. is that
strength where you come from?

.. They are now the patriots
and we are the invader.

so they say. and no one cares

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:33:17 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:50:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

The Iraq war was started not because of some ugly dictator. It was started
because of the neocon wetdream vision of transforming the middle east into a
laissez-faire capitalism.

Iraq all about Israel, as the upcoming Iran war will be.
Afg was and is a useless war. There is nothing to win there.

except the death of al qaida's influence

but you hate the US so regret that


The Afg. war WOULD have accomplished more than it has if Bush had actually
finished the job. He was the worst failure in US history.

Here. I posted it again for you.

Repeating a rant does not make it any more true.

read the TNR article on how bush let bin laden go

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 00:38:33 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:40:20 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

Iraq all about Israel, as the upcoming Iran war will be.
Afg was and is a useless war. There is nothing to win there.

except the death of al qaida's influence

We are making them more powerful and Pakistan is about ready to kick
US out. They are refusing to let us use their roads now to supply our
troops.

then why are the taliban in negotiations, when our key demand is to
cut ties with AQ?

go ahead. find a resource saying AQ is more powerful today than it was
9 years ago.

i'll wait.

and you're an idiot if you think pakistan is going to kick us out and
lose the billions we bribe them with