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On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:59:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:27:04 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

turns out incomes of most americans are dropping. but not the rich,
thank god!! they're doing just fine.

the american dream is alive. while the middle class continues to get
hammered, the rich prove that america is becoming a plutocracy...all
the while rush and the right wing tell us it isn't


http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cha...-rich-and-poor

Yeah Obama really changed things didn't he.

Well, he's started to make a difference compared to Bush's laissez faire
capitalistic approach.


How is that? The bailout went to the same fat cats Bush was helping.
Financial regulation left the big banks in charge and did very little
to affect the things that caused the melt down.
The "insurance reform" is only going to make big pharma, the hospital
conglomerates and the insurance companies richer.

I still have not heard anyone here answer the question, what is your
2011 insurance bill going to be?

I do know two young 18-24 year olds who have indicated that they have
either lost in one case, or will be losing in another their coverage
because of changes to their parents health care plans, because of the
new laws. I don't have too many details, but one of the kids already
sold his bike, had his last ride around Labor day.

Like you said, a bunch of health care insurance suits sat in a back room
and wrote the plan, everybody knows it, how can Americans go on as if
that never happened?

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seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...

On 10/4/10 6:40 AM, I am Tosk wrote:


I do know two young 18-24 year olds who have indicated that they have
either lost in one case, or will be losing in another their coverage
because of changes to their parents health care plans, because of the
new laws.

Bull****.
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No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

"Secular Humoresque" wrote in message m...
On 10/4/10 6:40 AM, I am Tosk wrote:


I do know two young 18-24 year olds who have indicated that they have
either lost in one case, or will be losing in another their coverage
because of changes to their parents health care plans, because of the
new laws.

Bull****.
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Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals


"Bull****"? Is that all you've got?

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In article ,
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"Secular Humoresque" wrote in message m...
On 10/4/10 6:40 AM, I am Tosk wrote:


I do know two young 18-24 year olds who have indicated that they have
either lost in one case, or will be losing in another their coverage
because of changes to their parents health care plans, because of the
new laws.

Bull****.
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Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals


"Bull****"? Is that all you've got?

Yeah, that's all he has... Google failed boatless harry again...

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OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...

On 10/4/10 6:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:44:26 -0400, Secular Humoresque
wrote:

On 10/4/10 6:40 AM, I am Tosk wrote:


I do know two young 18-24 year olds who have indicated that they have
either lost in one case, or will be losing in another their coverage
because of changes to their parents health care plans, because of the
new laws.

Bull****.


The woman my wife works with wanted to put her 20 something kid on her
2011 policy and it is $200 extra a month,
Putting me on my wife's policy is $500 a month

Did she think it would be "free"? I do think $200 is twice what it
should be, but health insurers are still basically unregulated. We need
to get rid of the health insurance industry as it exists in this country.


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No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

"Secular Humoresque" wrote in message
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On 10/4/10 6:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:44:26 -0400, Secular Humoresque
wrote:

On 10/4/10 6:40 AM, I am Tosk wrote:


I do know two young 18-24 year olds who have indicated that they have
either lost in one case, or will be losing in another their coverage
because of changes to their parents health care plans, because of the
new laws.

Bull****.


The woman my wife works with wanted to put her 20 something kid on her
2011 policy and it is $200 extra a month,
Putting me on my wife's policy is $500 a month

Did she think it would be "free"? I do think $200 is twice what it should
be, but health insurers are still basically unregulated. We need to get
rid of the health insurance industry as it exists in this country.


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No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

Correct.

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On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:11:44 -0400, Secular Humoresque
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We need
to get rid of the health insurance industry as it exists in this country.

I think health insurance should be something like $3000 deductible
(what I am carrying now). If that was true the cost would be
reasonable and the patient would argue about abusive bills for silly
stuff.
Medical procedures got expensive because they were "free". Nobody
cared that the doctor was charging you $200 for tetanus shot because
the insurance picked it up.

So, someone who works a minimum wage job is suppose to have $3K sitting
around for a doctor?

Please don't blame doctors. The insurance companies bleed them dry with
needless paperwork, all the while delaying claims and obstructing needed
care. Get rid of the insurance companies, and we might have a shot at
decent, affordable health care.

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On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:55:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:11:44 -0400, Secular Humoresque
wrote:

We need
to get rid of the health insurance industry as it exists in this country.

I think health insurance should be something like $3000 deductible
(what I am carrying now). If that was true the cost would be
reasonable and the patient would argue about abusive bills for silly
stuff.
Medical procedures got expensive because they were "free". Nobody
cared that the doctor was charging you $200 for tetanus shot because
the insurance picked it up.

So, someone who works a minimum wage job is suppose to have $3K sitting
around for a doctor?

Please don't blame doctors. The insurance companies bleed them dry with
needless paperwork, all the while delaying claims and obstructing needed
care. Get rid of the insurance companies, and we might have a shot at
decent, affordable health care.


If they don't have 3 grand "sitting around", how will they ever be
able to afford the insurance premium?
It was a no brainer for me. I could have paid $3600 a year for "full"
insurance (still with a $25 co pay and things that they won't cover)
or just keep $3000 in reserve for if I ever got sick.

I have the same question for those people carrying huge credit card
balances. If you don't have enough money to cover your expenses, how
can you afford to cover your expenses and also pay the bank 29.999% on
top of your expenses?




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If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:55:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:11:44 -0400, Secular Humoresque
wrote:

We need
to get rid of the health insurance industry as it exists in this country.

I think health insurance should be something like $3000 deductible
(what I am carrying now). If that was true the cost would be
reasonable and the patient would argue about abusive bills for silly
stuff.
Medical procedures got expensive because they were "free". Nobody
cared that the doctor was charging you $200 for tetanus shot because
the insurance picked it up.

So, someone who works a minimum wage job is suppose to have $3K sitting
around for a doctor?

Please don't blame doctors. The insurance companies bleed them dry with
needless paperwork, all the while delaying claims and obstructing needed
care. Get rid of the insurance companies, and we might have a shot at
decent, affordable health care.


If they don't have 3 grand "sitting around", how will they ever be
able to afford the insurance premium?
It was a no brainer for me. I could have paid $3600 a year for "full"
insurance (still with a $25 co pay and things that they won't cover)
or just keep $3000 in reserve for if I ever got sick.

I have the same question for those people carrying huge credit card
balances. If you don't have enough money to cover your expenses, how
can you afford to cover your expenses and also pay the bank 29.999% on
top of your expenses?


Notice that she neglected to include the blood sucking ambulance chasers in the mix.

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I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows.
If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID
Boatless Harry

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On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:55:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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wrote in message
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:11:44 -0400, Secular Humoresque
wrote:

We need
to get rid of the health insurance industry as it exists in this
country.

I think health insurance should be something like $3000 deductible
(what I am carrying now). If that was true the cost would be
reasonable and the patient would argue about abusive bills for silly
stuff.
Medical procedures got expensive because they were "free". Nobody
cared that the doctor was charging you $200 for tetanus shot because
the insurance picked it up.

So, someone who works a minimum wage job is suppose to have $3K sitting
around for a doctor?

Please don't blame doctors. The insurance companies bleed them dry with
needless paperwork, all the while delaying claims and obstructing needed
care. Get rid of the insurance companies, and we might have a shot at
decent, affordable health care.


If they don't have 3 grand "sitting around", how will they ever be
able to afford the insurance premium?

Because people live paycheck to paycheck. They can afford to pay $200/mo
(barely) that they can scrape up, but they can't afford nor probably have
access to $3K. Seems pretty obvious to me...

It was a no brainer for me. I could have paid $3600 a year for "full"
insurance (still with a $25 co pay and things that they won't cover)
or just keep $3000 in reserve for if I ever got sick.

Certainly is. I don't have to worry about plunking down a bunch if I need
to... car dies, I pay cash, but most people aren't in your or my spot.

I have the same question for those people carrying huge credit card
balances. If you don't have enough money to cover your expenses, how
can you afford to cover your expenses and also pay the bank 29.999% on
top of your expenses?

It's called minimum payments. In the short run, that works fine, but of
course, the long term isn't so rosy. You keep borrowing, keep racking up
more debt to pay those must-pay bills like utilities and mortgage. It's a
vicious cycle.