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On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:08:43 -0700, "Califbill"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:43:26 -0700, "Califbill"
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gee. buchanan wasn't president in 1864. how'd that work out?

Huh?

buchanan was pres before lincoln. he had an opportunity to prevent the
civil war. lincoln cleaned up his mess


Did Buchanan cause the war? How would of Buchanan prevented the war?

He sure didn't help...

"During his presidency Buchanan supported the attempt to establish Kansas as
a slave state. He also failed to take decisive action when South Carolina
left the Union. Buchanan argued that the Constitution granted the federal
government no power to "coerce a State into submission." He also recommended
that the Constitution should be amended to guarantee slavery where it
already existed."

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:29:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"During his presidency Buchanan supported the attempt to establish Kansas as
a slave state. He also failed to take decisive action when South Carolina
left the Union. Buchanan argued that the Constitution granted the federal
government no power to "coerce a State into submission." He also recommended
that the Constitution should be amended to guarantee slavery where it
already existed."

calif bill will just shrugs his shoulders and say 'so?'

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:29:28 -0700,
wrote:


"During his presidency Buchanan supported the attempt to establish Kansas as
a slave state. He also failed to take decisive action when South Carolina
left the Union. Buchanan argued that the Constitution granted the federal
government no power to "coerce a State into submission." He also recommended
that the Constitution should be amended to guarantee slavery where it
already existed."


calif bill will just shrugs his shoulders and say 'so?'


How's that battery charger, Bob?

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:00:22 -0400, LG wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:29:28 -0700,
wrote:


"During his presidency Buchanan supported the attempt to establish Kansas as
a slave state. He also failed to take decisive action when South Carolina
left the Union. Buchanan argued that the Constitution granted the federal
government no power to "coerce a State into submission." He also recommended
that the Constitution should be amended to guarantee slavery where it
already existed."


calif bill will just shrugs his shoulders and say 'so?'


How's that battery charger, Bob?

why? cant figure yours out?

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:00:22 -0400, wrote:


bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:29:28 -0700,
wrote:



"During his presidency Buchanan supported the attempt to establish Kansas as
a slave state. He also failed to take decisive action when South Carolina
left the Union. Buchanan argued that the Constitution granted the federal
government no power to "coerce a State into submission." He also recommended
that the Constitution should be amended to guarantee slavery where it
already existed."



calif bill will just shrugs his shoulders and say 'so?'



How's that battery charger, Bob?

why? cant figure yours out?


No need. The alternator on my boat keeps mine charged. Using your boat
will have the same results.

On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:44:49 -0400, LG wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:00:22 -0400, wrote:



why? cant figure yours out?


No need. The alternator on my boat keeps mine charged. Using your boat
will have the same results.

your ignorance abounds. overwhelms. it's a wonder of nature

bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:44:49 -0400, wrote:


bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:00:22 -0400, wrote:





why? cant figure yours out?



No need. The alternator on my boat keeps mine charged. Using your boat
will have the same results.

your ignorance abounds. overwhelms. it's a wonder of nature

Since you cleverly snipped your failure, care to explain how my response
was ignorant?

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:29:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"During his presidency Buchanan supported the attempt to establish Kansas
as
a slave state. He also failed to take decisive action when South Carolina
left the Union. Buchanan argued that the Constitution granted the federal
government no power to "coerce a State into submission." He also
recommended
that the Constitution should be amended to guarantee slavery where it
already existed."

calif bill will just shrugs his shoulders and say 'so?'


The civil war was not about slavery. Was economics and states rights as the
driving forces. Lincoln did not issue an executive order, the Emancipation
Proclamation, until 1863. The war started in 1861. The fact that Lincoln,
a Republican, the party of anti-slavery was elected POTUS, was a driving
force for the South to start seceding, but was enough to cause states to
start seceding. You do realize the Emancipation Proclamation did not free
all the slaves? Only the slaves in Northern (Union) controlled states.
Lincoln was for freeing the slaves by paying the slave owners for the
freedom. The Congress would not agree. So?

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:09:22 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:29:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"During his presidency Buchanan supported the attempt to establish Kansas
as
a slave state. He also failed to take decisive action when South Carolina
left the Union. Buchanan argued that the Constitution granted the federal
government no power to "coerce a State into submission." He also
recommended
that the Constitution should be amended to guarantee slavery where it
already existed."

calif bill will just shrugs his shoulders and say 'so?'


The civil war was not about slavery.

yes, it was.

Was economics and states rights as the
driving forces.

ROFLMAO!! hey genius...you think slaves had nothing to do with states
rights and economics??

HAHAHAHAHA

Lincoln did not issue an executive order, the Emancipation
Proclamation, until 1863.

to prevent europeans from throwing in their lot with the south in a
balance of power play

The war started in 1861. The fact that Lincoln,
a Republican, the party of anti-slavery was elected POTUS, was a driving
force for the South to start seceding, but was enough to cause states to
start seceding. You do realize the Emancipation Proclamation did not free
all the slaves? Only the slaves in Northern (Union) controlled states

there were almost no slaves in the north. some in maryland...a few in
other states..

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:09:22 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:29:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"During his presidency Buchanan supported the attempt to establish
Kansas
as
a slave state. He also failed to take decisive action when South
Carolina
left the Union. Buchanan argued that the Constitution granted the
federal
government no power to "coerce a State into submission." He also
recommended
that the Constitution should be amended to guarantee slavery where it
already existed."

calif bill will just shrugs his shoulders and say 'so?'


The civil war was not about slavery.

yes, it was.

Was economics and states rights as the
driving forces.

ROFLMAO!! hey genius...you think slaves had nothing to do with states
rights and economics??

HAHAHAHAHA

Lincoln did not issue an executive order, the Emancipation
Proclamation, until 1863.

to prevent europeans from throwing in their lot with the south in a
balance of power play

The war started in 1861. The fact that Lincoln,
a Republican, the party of anti-slavery was elected POTUS, was a driving
force for the South to start seceding, but was enough to cause states to
start seceding. You do realize the Emancipation Proclamation did not free
all the slaves? Only the slaves in Northern (Union) controlled states

there were almost no slaves in the north. some in maryland...a few in
other states..

the North controlled some southern states by then. But the fear was
antislavery, but not slavery per se. Hell, only 26% of North Carolina
family's owned slaves. And some slave owners were black. Imagine that.