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the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Productivity = output compared to cost. Higher output at lower cost in the same environment = increased productivity. I have no idea what the Toyota driving Walmart crowd "thinks." Which has nothing to do with less manpower. You can have greater productivity with technical solutions, for example, or by understanding standard time-study relationships... by working smarter, productivity increases. You said the same as I did, with 5% more detail. If you can sell 100,000 televisions in the U.S. at a cost of $48.00 each, then move production to Mexico and produce them at $24.00 each, you've doubled yield, and therefore productivity. Automation has been the greatest boost to productivity since the late 70's. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:20:33 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: - automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation, but the yield is of higher quality. you can have EITHER a capital intensive economy OR a labor intensive economy. you can not have both. we had full employment a few years back remember? and we STILL had NO wage increases. we had 28% increase in producdtivity in the last 10 years and STILL no wage increases while the wealthly went up. why only in the US? For much of this period Canada took it in the ass like companies did in your country. It has improved faster in Canada, but will not return to 2000 to 2004 levels. well, no. canada suffered less because it's more left wing than the US and regulated its banks. the US got killed because more americans are conservatives and belief your kinds of horse**** Full employment of minimum wage clerks (crap wages, not the artificial and destructive statute minimum wage) is fine for the equivalent lifestyle yeah in the US this means giving the rich even MORE of our money .. The previous subject was the middle class. Wages stagnated and decreased due to a tremendous decrease in demand for everything from design and engineering to factory labor. because the rich stripped mined the middle class. you want the rich to keep doing it with all your fables I had a machine department manager that offered to take the job at the same rate I paid my secretary 18 years prior. Why? The market sets the price of wages. Always. rather strange, then, that the germans dont have the big difference between middle class and elite income, isnt it? you keep ignoring this. you just refuse to address it, with your right wing bull**** If you aren't needed, why would you be paid more, or be employed at all? What I'm explaining is visible to the naked eye you're the helen keller of economics. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:12:13 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Every producer of what you spend your diminishing wages on is anti American. Sending your money overseas is economic treason, but self correcting. When wages reach Chinese and Indian levels, production might return, yeah i'll bet you never buy foreign products "Foreign product" is relative to geography. If you are relating to the former U.S., I PRODUCE foreign products. no doubt defective baby strollers, meat with contamination, cars that explode or other similar products |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Why should you (or anyone else) get a raise? because it's good for the economy, moron. No it isn't, it decreases profits. Raises are granted as a result of exceptional performance, an increase in responsibility (there's a dirty word to you) and in socialist structures, inflation. Ever heard of earning a raise? What have you done to improve your capabilities? why? do you think i'm the ENTIRE middle class? No, you're probably craving a union to protect you. oh. you cant handle that questions. americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to europe? apparently you haven't. few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying. If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost anywhere as the "middle class" in Europe. Go spend a night in downtown Frankfurt, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam, see the homes and amenities, the hotel you can occupy for $200 a night. (US$, as they are worthless). In the U.S. of 25 years ago it would be considered government housing. uh...i've been to europe a number of times. i ask again: why dont they have the huge spread between the middle class and the rich that we do? go ahead. answer the question. They have a narrower (previously) manufacturing base, profits are smaller, the rewards are fewer. Is that good? That's coming to the U.S. You will get no more, the owners will be foreign. That OK. The shareholders and managing directors make excellent incomes, the schlubs, like in your country, are the bottom of the food chain, as they should be. ALL is supply and demand. A low supply of unskilled labor increases the pay as the supply is limited. In countries like red China, labor is plentiful and in fact, they have an over supply - demand is small compared to the supply, so wages are crap. With low wages, prices are low, so factory labor in red Chna allows a similar lifestyle as, for example, labor at Walmart, when prices nose dive in the U.S. They will. Prices are relative to the ability to buy. People pay U.S. "normal" auto prices for an Asian econobox becasue people are willing to pay the price. Demand sets the price of everything, including wages. oh. you can't But it's better there, right? Speaking of U.S. dollars, Philippine Banks almost never accept U.S. currency exchange any more. To get Php you need to use an ATM or find a high rate dollar exchange booth at "the market." That's impressive. gee. i was in malaysia 2 years ago and korea this year. used the US dollar everywhere Korea has mega billions of exports to the U.S; of course they do. Indonesia and Malaysia inherited the consumer electronics industry, Japan to Korea to Malaysia, in the mid to late '90's. The Philippines is not at the economic scale of Korea and enclaves of Malaysia. Yet. The dollar (US dollar) is becoming toast. That's not a problem. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Do you have duct tape around your ears and eyes? why? do i look like sarah palin? Why? Do I look like Mr. Magoo? (came in 2nd to Hussein in 2008) |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: How can you expect "American students" to become engineers while they glorify the virtues of governemnt control of economics and lifestyle? what an IDIOT!! HAHAHAHA!! they glorify wall street. 25% of all college freshmen major in business Poor statistic but expected. Business students have opportunities in money laundering and government. Engineering students have opportunities overseas. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Perhaps I don't find a penis in my ass an acceptable endeavor. funny. alot of heterosexuals do. what do you think killed farah fawcett? Sorry, I didn't know Farah Fawcett was a turd burglar. Guess I did hit close to home, eh? |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I explained the solution. What's your plan? You explained nothing about a viable solution. You just ranted about "taking back" the country. Meaningless. I've never use the term "taking back the country." That's a mindless political rant that must appeal to the waddling masses or it wouldn't be repeatedly used. We're in a recession. They've happened before. The current administration is doing all it can (anything less would be political suicide) to turn things around. The Dems in Congress are doing _some_ of what's needed, e.g., the last effort was today with the small business loan bill that Obama signed. They aren't doing enough and are afraid of their own shadow for a couple of reasons. One in particular is that they have no clue. All the government can, and should do, is structure to encourage outoput, not increase taxes, pay the debts of irresponsible sub governments, and finance lessons to jungle dwellers on how to wash their dicks after they cornholed another jungle dweller. You should be ashamed of your government. How will they pay for this crap??? No problem, YOU pay for it. Increased long term high wage emplotyment? ZIP. No reason, ior need, for productive output to expand in the U.S. We need to continue along the path of economic reform. We need to reintroduce and reinforce regulations that have been removed, gutted, or ignored. We need to reduce the military budget in a responsible way (we don't want to add to the unemployment roles by dumping a bunch of people on the street), we need to continue to extricate ourselves from two wars, we need to stop funding some of the European/Asian military bases, EXCELLENT we need to expand healthcare coverage, tax the top 2% more, reduce the size and scope of the biggest banks, increase our infrastructure funding, and most importantly stop listening and start ignoring blowhard naysayers and fundamentalists. Well, you were doing well, but you screwed up on the increase in welfare. 75% of the population on handouts is already far too much. Nothing above, unfortunately, would contribute to increased multi level production. You should run for office - either corrupt party would be fine - same theories. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: gee. the US pretty much has the right wing market cornered. so you read only US newspapers? Yes, daily, the editorial and letters to the editor pages - they're hilarious. News is available in the US in only about 5 of the major papers. It's not available at all on television except when a station rebroadcasts a BBC program. - if you get "news" on the idiot box you'd be better of watching Nickelodeon. yep. and most americans are conservative so get their news from fox. it's made them idiots I said a thousand times the idiot box makes you an idiot. You finally agree. The British papers have far more on line about what is happening in the U.S. than any U.S. publication, because the U.S. publications broadcast what is interesting to "Americans," such as which Hollywood whore didn't wear panties today or is back in jail, or what the empty suit is going to do to send you $300 for your vote. "Inquiring minds what to know!" Hahahahahahaha no one here reads the 'economist'. a pity. but america is very right wing so people aren't interested in facts Most "Americans" buy news magazines at a grocery store or 7-11 checkout line. That's why they "think" like they do. 98% just look at the pictures of Bill Clinton on the White House lawn with aliens. The Economist is likely the best news, political and economic publication on the planet, despite their frequent leanings toward welfare statism. Most "Americans" would flip the pages and turn on The Gong Show (now broadcast as "American Idol.") Their activities will change when the U.S. government defaults. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
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