the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
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On 27-Sep-2010, Secular Humourist wrote:

As long as my products enter the U.S. I have a stake. There are strong,
and
growing markets elsewhere however. I don't care who pays the bill, as
long
as its paid. The middle class will get "poorer" as long as they
maintain
the same attitudes and sloth they've had for the past 30 years. It IS
self
correcting, but over a term of several generations. On the other hand,
it
can be changed in MONTHS if discretion were used in purchasing habits.


Your products?
What a laugh.

Cheap consumer products and automotive parts Asian car makers export to
the
US. My other business is high end food products, of which 2/3 go to Asia,
as
it's affordable there.

Sure... whatever you say.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:35:07 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than
10
years ago.

you're right. the actual figure is 28%. american productivity has
increased 28% between 1997 and 2007.

Productivity does not mean more output per manhour, it means more output
with LESS manpower

mathematically the same. ever take a course in math?


- automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics
accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation,
but the yield is of higher quality.

you can have EITHER a capital intensive economy OR a labor intensive
economy. you can not have both. we had full employment a few years
back remember? and we STILL had NO wage increases. we had 28%
increase in producdtivity in the last 10 years and STILL no wage
increases while the wealthly went up.

why only in the US?

answer: people like you who push the right wing kool aid


Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are
being
paid less every year as you are stupid.

really? got proof? because i'm middle class. and the middle class
hasnt had a pay raise in 40 years. the wealthy had a 500% pay
increase

So do something useful to become "wealthy", whatever that is.

IOW you can't answer the question. yep. i knew it.




no other country saw such a disparity. how do you explain that? right
now your argument is taht the middle class is lazy, shiftless and
doesnt even deserve to be paid

why do the germans, french, etc., not have this problem even though we
work more hours than they do?

They are nationalistic; "Americans" buy "all Asian, all the time..." then
bitch about the nondescript economy.

notice he refuses to answer the question of why there's less of a
spread between the rich and middle classes in other countries?

he can't handle it. to him, the US is about the myth of the american
dream. he doesnt realize the weatlhy use that as an opiate precisely
for people like him

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:21:23 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!

for the rich

oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare.

I don't understand, the scum you elect tell you it's good for you, totally
disregarding the fact that cost is unrelated to price.

sorry. never voted conservative in my life

and i'm sure the fascist dicitatorship of your country is all about
egalitarianism

and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker
makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich
factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely

zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today.

Why should you (or anyone else) get a raise?

because it's good for the economy, moron.

Ever heard of earning a raise?
What have you done to improve your capabilities?

why? do you think i'm the ENTIRE middle class?

oh. you cant handle that questions.


americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to
europe? apparently you haven't.

few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other
countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle
class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is
pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying.


If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost
anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

Go spend a night in downtown Frankfurt, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam, see the
homes and amenities, the hotel you can occupy for $200 a night. (US$, as
they are worthless). In the U.S. of 25 years ago it would be considered
government housing.

uh...i've been to europe a number of times. i ask again:

why dont they have the huge spread between the middle class and the
rich that we do?

go ahead. answer the question.


oh. you can't



But it's better there, right?

Speaking of U.S. dollars, Philippine Banks almost never accept U.S. currency
exchange any more. To get Php you need to use an ATM or find a high rate
dollar exchange booth at "the market." That's impressive.

gee. i was in malaysia 2 years ago and korea this year. used the US
dollar everywhere

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:35:55 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Absolutely correct! Probably 45 of 50. Has been for a hundred years.
Then,
most technically educated foreign nationals go back to where the output
is,
and some find positions in the diminishing U.S. Fewer "Americans" are
qualified, and find better use of their time playing with cell phones and
watching Dancing for Dollars.

correct. most americans are conservative so glorify the rich, just
like you do

Do you have duct tape around your ears and eyes?

why? do i look like sarah palin?

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:37:58 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, "Califbill" wrote:

correct. most americans are conservative so glorify the rich, just
like you do


http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1220/p01s01-ussc.html
An article on the engineer gap.

How can you expect "American students" to become engineers while they
glorify the virtues of governemnt control of economics and lifestyle?


what an IDIOT!! HAHAHAHA!!

they glorify wall street. 25% of all college freshmen major in
business

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:39:59 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

I'm sure you and Tosser are afraid... very afraid.

Not afraid, exhausted, when I drop my key's near Bawny Fwank's house and
have to kick them to Georgetown before picking them up.

You're certainly fearful. You are so terrified you think gay men are after

you. I wonder why. Perhaps you're actually gay and repressed.

Perhaps I don't find a penis in my ass an acceptable endeavor.

funny. alot of heterosexuals do. what do you think killed farah
fawcett?


Why do you so vociferously defend them? Are we hitting too close to home?

why does it matter to you?

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:42:27 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

I don't drive a Honda, they are rare where I live and manufacture. In
most
cases, an overpriced junk car from Japan or Korea is unnecessary. Same
as
in your country in 3 years.

You're a whiner, complainer, and apparently a liar. You're certainly
anti-American. You're a loser who probably can't return even if you wanted

to. Fine with me. Stay out.

Every producer of what you spend your diminishing wages on is anti American.
Sending your money overseas is economic treason, but self correcting. When
wages reach Chinese and Indian levels, production might return,

yeah i'll bet you never buy foreign products

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:48:33 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

U.S. radio and television would be seen as a focused attack in most
countries, and would be thought of that way if your population had any
priorities.

you're an idiot if you get the news only from your own country's news
source. i haven't done that since i was 12.

you? you get yours from rush.

I read probably 6 or 8 newspapers from across the world daily

gee. the US pretty much has the right wing market cornered. so you
read only US newspapers?

- if you get
"news" on the idiot box you'd be better of watching Nickelodeon.

yep. and most americans are conservative so get their news from fox.
it's made them idiots

The
British papers have far more on line about what is happening in the U.S.
than any U.S. publication, because the U.S. publications broadcast what is
interesting to "Americans," such as which Hollywood whore didn't wear
panties today or is back in jail, or what the empty suit is going to do to
send you $300 for your vote. "Inquiring minds what to know!" Hahahahahahaha

no one here reads the 'economist'. a pity. but america is very right
wing so people aren't interested in facts

just like you

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Every producer of what you spend your diminishing wages on is anti
American.
Sending your money overseas is economic treason, but self correcting.
When
wages reach Chinese and Indian levels, production might return,

yeah i'll bet you never buy foreign products

"Foreign product" is relative to geography. If you are relating to the
former U.S., I PRODUCE foreign products.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

- automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics
accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation,
but the yield is of higher quality.

you can have EITHER a capital intensive economy OR a labor intensive
economy. you can not have both. we had full employment a few years
back remember? and we STILL had NO wage increases. we had 28%
increase in producdtivity in the last 10 years and STILL no wage
increases while the wealthly went up.

why only in the US?

For much of this period Canada took it in the ass like companies did in your
country. It has improved faster in Canada, but will not return to 2000 to
2004 levels.

Full employment of minimum wage clerks (crap wages, not the artificial and
destructive statute minimum wage) is fine for the equivalent lifestyle. The
previous subject was the middle class. Wages stagnated and decreased due to
a tremendous decrease in demand for everything from design and engineering
to factory labor. I had a machine department manager that offered to take
the job at the same rate I paid my secretary 18 years prior. Why? The
market sets the price of wages. Always. If you aren't needed, why would you
be paid more, or be employed at all? What I'm explaining is visible to the
naked eye, it has nothing to do with the idiocy of political superstitions
or the bedwetters you stare slack jawed at on television. I detect YOU
haven't had a wage increase either. You're in the wrong country.