I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March 2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001 LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the transom of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004 Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray, Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the transom
of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale



I had a Wellcraft with similar problems you had. This is why we need
Japanese to enter the boat market again. The quality of American boats is
similar to the quality on 80's made American cars - it sucks! Unless you
are talking 30 + foot boats, most are just built poorly.

I love my new Seaswirl - but I gotta say I've noticed a variety of QC issues
with it too.

Mismounted cooler / same bimini issues / funky guage / missing snaps for the
snap in carpet / cheesy rub-rail / easily chipped gel-coat / totally
mislabled fuse block etc etc.......

I have mine all straightened out now - but I *can* do that stuff - the
average user would have been quite perplexed.

The problems don't seem to be with the *design* of the boats for the most
part. It's largely with assembly and QC, with some issues in the area of
"parts selection".

I don't know WTF is happening on the assembly lines.

-W



"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the
transom
of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some
clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I
received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone
documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work
at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I
like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with
the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale



I had a Wellcraft with similar problems you had. This is why we need
Japanese to enter the boat market again. The quality of American boats is
similar to the quality on 80's made American cars - it sucks! Unless you
are talking 30 + foot boats, most are just built poorly.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:14:45 +0000, Dale Darling wrote:

I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March 2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001 LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to the
following issues:

There's a guy temporarily in the slip next to mine in a 2000 26-ft Cobalt.
Why? Port engine cracked a head. Boat was immaculately maintained, 3yrs
old, engine lunched. Still on "warranty", but he has to stay at the dock,
waxing the hull over and over, for almost a month now (best weather we've
had in years), while the "dealer" fixes the problem ("parts on back-order...")

Makes me like my $5K 20-yr-old boat better and better...

Lloyd Sumpter

While there were QC problems, Larson did apologize, correct them, and give
you some gifts.
Makes us curious as to what you wanted them to do.
Your reaction to their admission of a shipping error makes it seem that it's
the first time you heard of such a mistake.
Sounds like you just wanted to complain.

"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the transom
of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

Bill, maybe I missed his point. I thought he was less concerned with
Larson and his dealer fixing the problems as to wondering why they
existed at all, especially given the number of them in a boat that had
supposedly gone through a rigorous quality control check -- and boasted
about this QC program to the consumer with a sticker.

Harlan

In article jG5ab.59079$nf3.53358@fed1read07, Bill Andersen
wrote:

While there were QC problems, Larson did apologize, correct them, and give
you some gifts.
Makes us curious as to what you wanted them to do.
Your reaction to their admission of a shipping error makes it seem that it's
the first time you heard of such a mistake.
Sounds like you just wanted to complain.

"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the transom
of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale





--
Tro respond, obviously drop the nospam!

I don't like to complain. In fact, I've never posted an experience like this
before. Yes, Larson did apologize. After 3 weeks I contacted Larson about
the transducer and asked how they are building new boats without
transducers. The person I spoke to said it was a good point. He said he
would ship it that day. My reaction to the admission of the shipping error
is that the person I spoke to said he would make sure it shipped out. As far
as the gifts go, a couple shirts, a blanket and a personal cooler are not
enough to make up for a $27K purchase that was at the dealer for repairs for
21 days? Is that enough to satisfy you?

I wouldn't have contacted Larson if so many of the items on the boat package
didn't fail.

I posted my experience because I wanted to get feedback from other Larson
owners and because the second Larson I looked at had 2 similar
instrumentation problems on the sea trial. And 1 instrument didn't work at
all.

You're right, they did correct all problems after 3 months. Summers are
extremely short up here.

"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:jG5ab.59079$nf3.53358@fed1read07...
While there were QC problems, Larson did apologize, correct them, and give
you some gifts.
Makes us curious as to what you wanted them to do.
Your reaction to their admission of a shipping error makes it seem that
it's
the first time you heard of such a mistake.
Sounds like you just wanted to complain.

"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the
transom
of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some
clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I
received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone
documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work
at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I
like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with
the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

Yes Maine summers are WAY too short...... =-/

Where do you boat?
Hope all is well with your new Larson.....

Jeff B In Maine
================================================== ================
"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I don't like to complain. In fact, I've never posted an experience like
this
before. Yes, Larson did apologize. After 3 weeks I contacted Larson about
the transducer and asked how they are building new boats without
transducers. The person I spoke to said it was a good point. He said he
would ship it that day. My reaction to the admission of the shipping error
is that the person I spoke to said he would make sure it shipped out. As
far
as the gifts go, a couple shirts, a blanket and a personal cooler are not
enough to make up for a $27K purchase that was at the dealer for repairs
for
21 days? Is that enough to satisfy you?

I wouldn't have contacted Larson if so many of the items on the boat
package
didn't fail.

I posted my experience because I wanted to get feedback from other Larson
owners and because the second Larson I looked at had 2 similar
instrumentation problems on the sea trial. And 1 instrument didn't work at
all.

You're right, they did correct all problems after 3 months. Summers are
extremely short up here.

"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:jG5ab.59079$nf3.53358@fed1read07...
While there were QC problems, Larson did apologize, correct them, and
give
you some gifts.
Makes us curious as to what you wanted them to do.
Your reaction to their admission of a shipping error makes it seem that
it's
the first time you heard of such a mistake.
Sounds like you just wanted to complain.

"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a
2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due
to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after
5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up
brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the
transom
of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some
clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I
received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone
documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on
a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder
would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless
(I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work
at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc)
and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I
like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with
the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

Sorry to hear of your problems. Our '01 210 LXI has been literally perfect
short of a noisy fuel pump that was promptly replaced. 75 hours now without
a hiccup.

Just FYI, the four you mentioned at the bottom come from the same place the
Larsen did.

http://www.genmar.com/

--
Steve
=======================
Remove the not dot from my address to abuse my email box
"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

Hi.

I'm glad to hear your boat is running perfect! This is the kind of feedback
I was hoping for. Good or bad..I simple wanted to know about other
experiences with Larson.

I don't see many Larsons in the lakes or the coastal bays around Maine
compared to the numerous other Genmar brands. I do know Genmar Holdings owns
many other brands. The other brands I mentioned sell many more boats
according to a market share chart I saw earlier this year.

So, get out of the office and go boating!

Cheers,
Dale


"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear of your problems. Our '01 210 LXI has been literally
perfect
short of a noisy fuel pump that was promptly replaced. 75 hours now
without
a hiccup.

Just FYI, the four you mentioned at the bottom come from the same place
the
Larsen did.

http://www.genmar.com/

--
Steve
=======================
Remove the not dot from my address to abuse my email box
"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale