"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with the
piece of crap I had.

My dad had the transom rot out of his 22' Bayliner Trophy after only a
couple years from brand new. MInd you he lives int he middle of the Sonoran
Desert so it got to dry completely between uses.

He had the transom rebuilt (looks very good) by a rebuilder and hung a
bracket off of it to set it up for twin 150 HP motors. He hasn't had any
other problem with it. Well, except for the stainless steel prop I chewed
up on a grocery cart in the water under London Bridge.

They 150 HP outboard it came with was a little too small for it, but with
twins on it it literally leaps out of the water to get up on step.


--
Bob La Londe
Yuma, Az
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Right you are sir. As you noted, I meant Glastron not Glaspar. There haven't
been any G3 ski boats built for some time.

Regarding my comments on the problems encountered, there are only a few
manufacturers of components such as alternators and gages and these few
manufacturers supply the entire boat building industry. It is unfortunate
that this gentleman had so many problems, but I still maintain it is
unrealistic to conclude that Larson boats are of inferior quality based on the
fact that he was unlucky in receiving an unusual number of defective vendor
supplied parts that are in common use in the industry.

Clams Canino wrote:

Actually Jim one of the boats he's considering is Glastron. Glaspar has
been extinct since the early 70's. If you're gonna flame someone - make
sure your asbestos panties are on securely next time.

-W

"Jim Kelly" wrote in message
...

I notice that one of the boats you are considering, due to your
misdirected
anger with Larson, is Glaspar. You clearly do not know much about boats
or who
manufacturer them.

And I maintain that (at least in his case) Larson QC sucked the big weenie,
spinning the blame (at least in part) back to Larson.

Also IMHO the salesman (who makes enough commision on a deal to spend some
time) outta go out with the customer and take at least a 1 hour shakedown
cruise. The benifits to this are overwhelming. The customer learns basic
operation and boater safety. Initial break in of the motor is supervised.
And there is a decent chance that (assuming the salesman is looking for
trouble) that a lot of the "infant mortality" issues will be found and dealt
with 1st time around.

-W

"Jim Kelly" wrote in message
...
Right you are sir. As you noted, I meant Glastron not Glaspar. There
haven't
been any G3 ski boats built for some time.

Regarding my comments on the problems encountered, there are only a few
manufacturers of components such as alternators and gages and these few
manufacturers supply the entire boat building industry. It is unfortunate
that this gentleman had so many problems, but I still maintain it is
unrealistic to conclude that Larson boats are of inferior quality based on
the
fact that he was unlucky in receiving an unusual number of defective
vendor
supplied parts that are in common use in the industry.

Clams Canino wrote:

Actually Jim one of the boats he's considering is Glastron. Glaspar
has
been extinct since the early 70's. If you're gonna flame someone - make
sure your asbestos panties are on securely next time.

-W

"Jim Kelly" wrote in message
...

I notice that one of the boats you are considering, due to your
misdirected
anger with Larson, is Glaspar. You clearly do not know much about
boats
or who
manufacturer them.

"Clams Canino" wrote in message . net...
Yanno, "In theory" there is nothing wrong with sending an untouched spud
back out still hot in the wrapper. But it's just not *right*. I already
proved (albeit benignly) that it can be tampered with, that's enough to make
it uncool.

I figgered that it was up to the 2nd owner to decide what to do with it.


-W

Haveing worked in a few kitchens I could tell you some horror stories.
The best ones would be when I ran a small pub for a old fellow who
dove the dumpster every morning to see what happened in the pub the
night before. We would really have to watch him to see that he did not
bring back some green roast beef or bad tomatoes and try to stick them
back in the cooler... Don't worry, I had someone stationed on him
every morning.
Scotty

Another minefield for boat buyers is the fact that many manufacturers
ship the boat half-finished and the dealer half-finishes the job. Can
you imagine buying a car and having the dealer wire it, install the
electronics, the engine, and rig the steering mechanism? The more
people one involves in the equation the more potential for
finger-pointing and lack of satisfactory completion.

I wonder why the manufacturers do this? Is it an incentive to a dealer to
carry their line? Perhaps pragmatism since the manufacturer can't know what
finishing out options you might choose?

It seems like a tremedously bad idea as far as being able to control quality
goes and since the manufacturer's name is the one that gets sullied they
must have a *really* good reason for doing it.

I would be afraid to afix my company name to something that is finished out
by someone else. It must frustrate the hell out of them.

Bill, maybe I missed his point. I thought he was less concerned with
Larson and his dealer fixing the problems as to wondering why they
existed at all, especially given the number of them in a boat that had
supposedly gone through a rigorous quality control check -- and boasted
about this QC program to the consumer with a sticker.

Harlan

In article jG5ab.59079$nf3.53358@fed1read07, Bill Andersen
wrote:

While there were QC problems, Larson did apologize, correct them, and give
you some gifts.
Makes us curious as to what you wanted them to do.
Your reaction to their admission of a shipping error makes it seem that it's
the first time you heard of such a mistake.
Sounds like you just wanted to complain.

"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the transom
of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale





--
Tro respond, obviously drop the nospam!

Hi.

I'm glad to hear your boat is running perfect! This is the kind of feedback
I was hoping for. Good or bad..I simple wanted to know about other
experiences with Larson.

I don't see many Larsons in the lakes or the coastal bays around Maine
compared to the numerous other Genmar brands. I do know Genmar Holdings owns
many other brands. The other brands I mentioned sell many more boats
according to a market share chart I saw earlier this year.

So, get out of the office and go boating!

Cheers,
Dale


"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear of your problems. Our '01 210 LXI has been literally
perfect
short of a noisy fuel pump that was promptly replaced. 75 hours now
without
a hiccup.

Just FYI, the four you mentioned at the bottom come from the same place
the
Larsen did.

http://www.genmar.com/

--
Steve
=======================
Remove the not dot from my address to abuse my email box
"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

I don't like to complain. In fact, I've never posted an experience like this
before. Yes, Larson did apologize. After 3 weeks I contacted Larson about
the transducer and asked how they are building new boats without
transducers. The person I spoke to said it was a good point. He said he
would ship it that day. My reaction to the admission of the shipping error
is that the person I spoke to said he would make sure it shipped out. As far
as the gifts go, a couple shirts, a blanket and a personal cooler are not
enough to make up for a $27K purchase that was at the dealer for repairs for
21 days? Is that enough to satisfy you?

I wouldn't have contacted Larson if so many of the items on the boat package
didn't fail.

I posted my experience because I wanted to get feedback from other Larson
owners and because the second Larson I looked at had 2 similar
instrumentation problems on the sea trial. And 1 instrument didn't work at
all.

You're right, they did correct all problems after 3 months. Summers are
extremely short up here.

"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:jG5ab.59079$nf3.53358@fed1read07...
While there were QC problems, Larson did apologize, correct them, and give
you some gifts.
Makes us curious as to what you wanted them to do.
Your reaction to their admission of a shipping error makes it seem that
it's
the first time you heard of such a mistake.
Sounds like you just wanted to complain.

"Dale Darling" wrote in message
.. .
I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the
transom
of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some
clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I
received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone
documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work
at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I
like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with
the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

Hi. Nice, "teething problems"! I understand that the other manufactuers
stuff is the problem, I only wish that some of them were caught before I
took delivery. The boat has nice lines, handles very well and was
comfortable.

I didn't mention that while running on the lake one day I ran into some good
wind driven waves and saw the walk-through windshield, which was closed,
separate enough from the starboard windshield so that the support lip which
keeps the windshield closed didn't have anything to support it. So, it fell
below the starboard windshield. This happened twice. What a pain it was to
separate the windshields enough to swing the center windshield up.

Like anything else, I guess, this was a big learning experience for me.

Thanks for the tips!

"JR North" wrote in message
...
Teething problems. Most of the stuff isn't Larson, but other
manufacturers stuff. True, a quality check *should* have
found some of the problems. Others, maybe not.
My MaXum 2550 SCR, new in 1990, had it's bitch list also.
The tach didn't work. They said they had to order another
one. I looked under the dash; it was just unplugged. The
power steering actuator chattered on turns. They replaced
it, cross threaded the pipes, and I found out when I got a
couple quarts of PS fluid in the bilge my first time out
afterwards. Several other small items; I bitched their
service dept blue until they were all corrected. Under
warranty. Now, 13 years old, the boat is perfect; no other
major problems.
In accessing the boat's quality, look to the fit/finish,
construction, power package alignment, hull lay up,
controls, wiring integrity. If the deck seam, portholes,
hatches leak, if the bulkheads pull loose, or if the deck
stress cracks or pops off when you take a capped 5 footer in
the kisser, then you have a POS. Otherwise, make them fix
everything, under warranty, and enjoy the boat.
JR

Dale Darling wrote:

I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the
transom of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some
clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I
received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone
documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work
at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I
like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with
the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale

--
--------------------------------------------------------------
Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

Hi. Yes, I do know that Four Winns and Glastron are owned by Genmar
Holdings. I also know that they didn't build the items that I had problems
with.

My issue is: Were these items tested at Larson before the boat was shipped
to the dealer for me to pick up?


"Jim Kelly" wrote in message
...
Larson did not build the depth finder, alternator, battery, trim gage,
trailer
or hour meter. You could have received these very same parts on a boat
that
cost twice as much.

I notice that one of the boats you are considering, due to your
misdirected
anger with Larson, is Glaspar. You clearly do not know much about boats
or who
manufacturer them.

Dale Darling wrote:

I ordered a new 2003 Larson LXi 210 w/260 hp Volvo 5.7L GL/SX in March
2003
and picked it up in May. I purchased one because a friend bought a 2001
LXi
212 and had no problems with it.

Within the first 9 weeks, my boat had spent 21 days at the dealer due to
the
following issues:
Depth Finder didn't work from day 1. Out of stock. Replaced after 5
weeks.
Alternator bad. Replaced after 4 weeks.
Battery Replaced..
Grounding problem causing blower and radio not to work. Fixed.
Trim gauge would misread. Needle would float up and down. Fixed.
Trailer surge brake (EZ Loader tandem axle) actuator locks up brakes
but
will not disengage. Replaced.
Cockpit cover arrived 2 weeks late.
Left Bimini support pole not secure and would dislodge during
trailering
or on the water.
Hour meter didn't work. Fixed.
Cheesy stick-on graphics continually fell off.

What the hell was the OK QUALITY CHECK tag doing hanging from the
transom of
this piece of crap when it was put on a trailer?

I contacted Larson 3 times but only received an apology and some
clothing.
Big deal! They even admitted to me that someone screwed up and I
received
the transducer for the depth finder a week late because someone
documented
that it shipped but never put it on the truck. OMG!

They didn't laugh when I said I would name the boat, "Lemon Juice". I
shouldn't have to haul the boat back to the dealer to replace items on a
new
boat.

Another POS story: The dealer wanted to give me a deal on their 2004
Cabrio
220 cuddy so I took it out for a sea trial. Get this, the sounder would
only
provide a reading while at idle speed, the trim gauge was worthless (I'm
better off guessing where the trim is) and the speedometer didn't work
at
all! Did they take the parts off my old boat?

I started with a used 1998 Bayliner Capri 1850 SS (4.3L 190hp Merc) and
had
no problems whatsoever. Was I just lucky? I don't feel lucky. I just
wanted
a bigger boat. At the ramp other new Larson owners would ask me how I
like
my boat. I think I scared them when I recited my dissatisfaction with
the
piece of crap I had.

I no longer have the 210 and plan on buying another boat from Sea Ray,
Four
Winns, or Glastron. I live in Maine and I have 8 months of winter to
decide.

Anyone else have an experience like this with Larson or another
manufacturer?

Dale