On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

paid for by YOU! Free doesn't exist except in the mind of
beggars/welfare
class

so your solution is to let the rich get richer and let the middle
class die.

fine. that's a typical right wing response

Not at ALL! I told you, "Don't work, don't produce, squeal for trivial
handouts - it'll work!" That's how the Dip****s and congress have been
elected for 50 years. Pay better attention next time.

On 9/11/10 11:22 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/10/10 8:59 PM, Larry wrote:
Secular Humorist wrote:
On 9/9/10 7:06 PM, BAR wrote:
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On 9/9/10 2:16 PM, Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 9-Sep-2010, wrote:

Here's a suggestion.
Come up with some reasonable goals for America and post them here.

Turn it over to government control of everything (your light bulbs,
shower
heads, toilettes and on and on), freeloaders, Islamic maniacs and
Mexican
peasants. Oops! THAT was FAST!!

If you can't do that, then just roll up into a big ball and die.

The U.S. is YOUR problem, not mine. Survival of the fittest is
mandatory
and unavoidable. "Americans" are not fit (educationally, culturally,
ethically, economically) and cannot survive to the level of
standards of
only 30 years ago.

Aside from drooling your venom, what skills have you?

How is the basement dwelling business these days?



You'd have to ask someone who dwells in a basement, *****forbrains* .

How's your boat?
He did. Hit 20 hours yet, blowhard?



Ahh, but I don't dwell in a basement. We have...wi-fi.

What's with the 20 hours, dip****? Is that number as high as you can count?

Why don't you go out and take a picture of your hour meter Harry? Or,
you can search the net for one that has 5 or 6 hundred hours and post
that next to your picture of your owl.


I'm sorry...must have missed that photo of your boat...

One of the few disappointments I have with my outboard boat is that the
factory readouts are digital and I don't find them particularly readable
under most lighting conditions. They look no better than an old digital
wris****ch, I think, and probably impossible to photograph.

But, at least I have a boat. You don't.

Six hundred hours? If I had that many hours on a 2008 outboard, I'd be
shopping for a new outboard boat.

In article ,
says...
I'm sorry...must have missed that photo of your boat...

One of the few disappointments I have with my outboard boat is that the
factory readouts are digital and I don't find them particularly readable
under most lighting conditions. They look no better than an old digital
wris****ch, I think, and probably impossible to photograph.

But, at least I have a boat. You don't.

Six hundred hours? If I had that many hours on a 2008 outboard, I'd be
shopping for a new outboard boat.


How many hours do you have on the driveway queen?

On 9/11/10 11:41 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleBb6dnSR1oaE8PBbRnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...
I'm sorry...must have missed that photo of your boat...

One of the few disappointments I have with my outboard boat is that the
factory readouts are digital and I don't find them particularly readable
under most lighting conditions. They look no better than an old digital
wris****ch, I think, and probably impossible to photograph.

But, at least I have a boat. You don't.

Six hundred hours? If I had that many hours on a 2008 outboard, I'd be
shopping for a new outboard boat.


How many hours do you have on the driveway queen?



I don't keep my outboard boat on the driveway, except when I do a little
work on it or load it up for a trip to a "foreign" ramp.

How many hours have you on that boat you don't own?

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
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On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the
ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a
long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received
so
far is a pounding in the ass.

really? taxes are 'skyrocketing'??

care to tell us where?

Trillions of dollars ****ed down the drain on idiocy - who pays the bill,
the Tooth Fairy? (nothing personal, Barney Frank) You do, unless you're
part
of the (50% of the population) welfare class.

I bet you're so angry that you want to just stamp your feet!

You have no stake in this country, so why do you care?

"Secular Humorist" wrote in message
m...
On 9/11/10 1:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the
ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a
long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received
so
far is a pounding in the ass.

really? taxes are 'skyrocketing'??

care to tell us where?

Trillions of dollars ****ed down the drain on idiocy - who pays the
bill,
the Tooth Fairy? (nothing personal, Barney Frank) You do, unless
you're part
of the (50% of the population) welfare class.

I bet you're so angry that you want to just stamp your feet!

You have no stake in this country, so why do you care?



He doesn't have a stake in Canada, either. He's just another
canuck57...big mouth, no value.

I wonder if he got run out of the US... perhaps just ahead of the
authorities. He sure is angry with the US.

Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 9-Sep-2010, Jim wrote:

North America. The U.S. said "c'mon in!" to Japan and Korea, and
succumbed
to Japan's and Korea's policy of prohibition of your production/output.

What did you do about that? You buy Asian, lose your position, then
bitch
about the scumbag politicians you put in office.
so here you sit blaming the middle class, ignoring the fact we simply
have no money.

Sorry, bub. It was the "middle class" that went for foreign products.
Age of consumerism. Low wage labor wins the day.
Consumer reports probably did more to ship industrial capacity overseas
than any other entity.
The "middle class" sucked it up.
Can't count the times I heard "educated" people say the U.S. would be
the "brain" capital of the world and the scut work would be done overseas.
Fools. Having been among many people I knew the U.S. didn't have a lock
on brains.
Most of those "educated" people had their jobs offshored.
Serves 'em right. They had nothing but disdain for the people who
actually did productive work. **** 'em.

Substantially accurate assesment.

BTW, do you know why there are all those Toyota, Honda and other foreign
plants in the U.S. providing work for Americans?
Ronald Reagan.
As stupid as he was, he forced the Japs to start building plants here
under threat of tariff on Jap cars.

The Asian auto plants are final assembly plants - U.S. content is minimal,
but the perception that these vehicles are "made" in the U.S.A. is common.
One must understand the concept of fixed costs, which are 50% of the cost of
developing and marketing a vehicle. Final assembly factory labor is good
considering the alternative is complete importation, but raw materials,
engineering, management, tooling, capital equipment and all R & D are
foreign. Toyotas are not "made" in the United States. Only a few weeks ago
I provided engineering trouble shooting services to a facility attempting to
produce parts for Nissan. Tooling was red Chinese, capital equipment was
red Chinese, raw material was Japanese, the plant was in Mexico. This is
common and in the majority - the vehicles are not "made" in the U.S.

That might be useful info for the yuppies like bpuharic here, but I grew
up in manufacturing.
Not talking about rubbing myself on the name "Pittsburgh" and thinking
that makes me a steelworker.
I "was" a ****ing steelworker. I ate the slag dust, got my ass burned,
etc, etc, and I've worked at many ends of manufacturing besides steelmaking.

Bob likes to think his office jobs and fluctuations in microchip
production make him an expert on the economy.
He never sat drinking beer after his shift in a hundred different plant
bars surrounded by hammer men, moldmakers, casters, machiists,
millwrights, electricians, heat treaters, plant floor sweepers, blah, blah.
Millions of them all across the country - all gone.
They WERE the ****ing economy.

He sees a few hundred cars in his work parking lot or knows his firm
employs some thousands and thinks that's "the economy."
Thinks the only reason the economy is bad is the "rich" are stealing all
the money.
Thinks that the last 20 years of job offshoring had no effect on the
economy, it was all CDOs.
He doesn't have a clue.
The reason for the CDOs was to provide fake money, fake houses, and fake
"service" jobs for those who had no longer had factory work producing
real goods. Only way to keep the stock market pumped up.

He still thinks using U.S. stimulus money to create 6000 jobs offshore
manufacturing "green energy" windmills and solar panels is just fine and
dandy. Wacko.

Yuppies have always spit on blue collars. All they care about is their
401ks and the easy life.
**** 'em. And **** you too. You're another big whiner.
A blue collar American never decided to buy a Chinese machine tool.
That's always been a white collar decision.
Here's where you and bpuharic collide and melt together into a whining
mewling stinking mass:

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb...35/index5.html

See the "Mike C." post about halfway down.
I can't get the the Forrant Wilkinson paper.

"It was not the Chinese or the Japanese that killed Van Norman and many
others... it was GREEDY RICH KIDS. The descendents of these mighty
machine tool manufacturers sold the family business out... took the
money and ran 35 yrs ago.
They had no interest in the trade or art of machine tools. They had no
connection to the craftsmen and their families who built their fortunes.
When offered a bucketful of money for the company by an investment group
who knew nothing about running such a business, they whole heartedly
sold it out and lived happily ever after."


Both of you assholes can look in the mirror to find the "enemy."

Okay, I'm done name-calling.
Nissan opened a crankshaft plant in Tennessee some years ago.
http://www.autospectator.com/cars/ni...s-engine-plant
Jap forging press.

The Japs are probably doing more to create jobs "green jobs" here than
Obama is.
http://blog.greenjobspider.com/profi...jobs-coming-to

GM's Tonawanda engine plant shows what the "middle class" is
http://www.buffalonews.com/city/article35138.ece

"The automaker's plans for the sprawling plant on River Road also
provide a glimpse into the new GM work force, a far cry from the
assembly line workers who made $30 an hour.
New employees will make about half that much."

That's about 30 g's a year.
bpuharic should be looking at a wage cut, not an increase.
He's one of the "rich" and doesn't even know it.

Jim - Read about blind men and an elephant.

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:24:21 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

paid for by YOU! Free doesn't exist except in the mind of
beggars/welfare
class

so your solution is to let the rich get richer and let the middle
class die.

fine. that's a typical right wing response

Not at ALL! I told you, "Don't work, don't produce, squeal for trivial
handouts - it'll work!" That's how the Dip****s and congress have been
elected for 50 years. Pay better attention next time.

well let's see. in the US the rich have been getting richer, and the
middle class poorer more than in any other industrialized country.

your repsonse?

none. other than to say the darkie president is a sellout.

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:20:43 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try
to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

For someone who claims a lot of knowledge, you seem fairly clueless.

in every state of the union, save texas, he's legally brain dead

That would make it 56 states???

precisely

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:20:01 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 10-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try
to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

For someone who claims a lot of knowledge, you seem fairly clueless.

All I asked for was one example of how a politician screwed you out of a
raise, and you couldn't - that explains most voters "thinking."

right to work legislation.

so, yes, i can cite an example

and there's 15% capital gains taxes vs 28% for the middle class

so that's an example

you should read paul krugman on american political culture and how it
attacks the middle class at the benefit of the rich

you might actually learn something.