On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:23:26 -0500, Jim wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:39:19 -0500, Jim wrote:

actually i agree with milton friedman; free trade, so the evidence
shows, raises standards of living EXCEPT when it becomes a race to the
bottom.


Too bad for you and your buddy Milton Friedman it's manifestly evident
it IS a race to the bottom.

yep it absolutely is UNLESS agreements are, as i said, put in place to
ensure free trade ISNT at the expense of working people

guess you can't read


you can't raise standards of living in the US by forcing us to pay
more for the things we buy. you increase standards by setting minimum
standards for living conditions in countries, similiar to setting free
trade conditions. that way you're not c ompeting by destroying living
standards


You raise standards by having everybody working at a decent wage.

EXACTLY!!! that's my POINT! the elite right wingers transfer middle
class wages to themselves in the US by denying us wage increases when
productivity increases


Don't act stupid like you don't know Chinamen are slaving away at 60
cents an hour so you and other working Americans can have more toys.

and they ARE getting 15% wage increases, just like the vietnamese,
japanese, taiwanese, etc. before them

i have an advantage over you; i've lived through this type of a cycle
in the semiconductor industry for 30 years. first it WAS the
japanese...they made ALOT less than we did. they don't now.

That's how the the "rich" are getting "richer."

uh NO, that's NOT. check the spread between the rich and middle class.
the spread...called the 'great divergence' is greater in the US than
in any industrialized country in the world

did you know that?

ah. no, you didn't

Your attitude about free trade pads their pockets.

funny...about 80% of german GDP is export based. they're doing fine.

your attitude about the rich pads their pockets


the fact is that the decrease in american living standards has
resulted in transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy.
productiviity in this country INCREASED over the last decade but the
middle class got NONE of it


The fact is that anybody here with a job at a decent wage is living
large. That would be you in spades.
You're just another hypocrite who wants more for himself and bull****s
about how good unions are, and how good the middle class is - except
when they cost you more for a product that you can get cheap by
exploiting Chinese labor.

gee. all i have is evidence. you? you have rush and hannity and glenn
beck...


I got news for you pal. China is probably cranking out 10's of
thousands of chemical engineers, and no Mickey D flippers.
Maybe India too.

gee. i'm a chemical engineer. and you ever read what constitutes an
'engineer' in china? the fact is, your rich elite buddies decided to
take ALL the money the middle class made in the last 10 years and keep
it for themselves.

THAT'S why we buy stuff overseas you idiot!


so while you're saying that americans should pay MORE for the things
we buy, the LOGICAL argument is that americans should b paid for the
things we produce. but we're not. the rich just keep sucking up all
the money for themselves


You wouldn't know logic if it hit you with a 2X4.
You proved that in this, probably the most lame, counter-factual and
illogical post you've made here.
IT'S AS IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT OFFSHORING OF JOBS IS THE BIGGEST
DRAIN ON THE ECONOMY AND THE MIDDLE CLASS!

since only about 20% of the US economy is export based, why dont you
show me the EVIDENCE??

where is it? or are you just spouting more bull****?

And I suspect you don't, because your hypocrisy won't allow it.
You want everything Chinaman-cheap, but your salary should increase.
That's all you've ever said here. Oh, yeah. Bush. Cheney. The Rich.
You echo deplume's lib impulses in some respects, but you want to nuke
all the Muslims so I can't call you a lib.

uh huh. now let's see...the US economy tanked in the last 3 years. YOU
say it's because our jobs went overseas.

proof? none. not a shred.

i say it's because the rich trashed the economy with their ponzi wall
street schemes

my evidence?

collateralized debt obligations were 1 trillion in 1997

and SIXTY TWO TRILLION in 2007

so tell me...where's your evidence? because i just gave you mine


go ahead. continue to blame the middle class. it's a lolsing argument
based on emotion, not logic.


I'm tired of your "middle class" rant. It's all you got.
I never hear you pose solutions, just ****ing complain about the "rich"
and GWB, and Cheney.

the solution?

more unions. better protection for middle class wage earners. tax
increases on the upper 5% who made ALL the money in the last 30 years.
we need to protect the middle class instead of YOUR right wing
bull**** solution of subsidizing the rich


Jim - Glad to be done with this joker. He's not even consistent enough
to qualify for wingnut.

gee. all i have is evidence and facts

you? you have your little fairy tales and monsters under the bed