deficits don't matter
 

bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:39:19 -0500, Jim wrote:

actually i agree with milton friedman; free trade, so the evidence
shows, raises standards of living EXCEPT when it becomes a race to the
bottom.


Too bad for you and your buddy Milton Friedman it's manifestly evident
it IS a race to the bottom.


you can't raise standards of living in the US by forcing us to pay
more for the things we buy. you increase standards by setting minimum
standards for living conditions in countries, similiar to setting free
trade conditions. that way you're not c ompeting by destroying living
standards


You raise standards by having everybody working at a decent wage.
Real unemployment is close to 20%.
Foreclosures and personal bankruptcies are at record levels.
How's that working for you?
Don't act stupid like you don't know Chinamen are slaving away at 60
cents an hour so you and other working Americans can have more toys.
That's how the the "rich" are getting "richer."
Your attitude about free trade pads their pockets.
And none of those NAFTA work condition guidelines were ever enforced so
that makes you and your buddy Milton full of **** again.

the fact is that the decrease in american living standards has
resulted in transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy.
productiviity in this country INCREASED over the last decade but the
middle class got NONE of it


The fact is that anybody here with a job at a decent wage is living
large. That would be you in spades.
You're just another hypocrite who wants more for himself and bull****s
about how good unions are, and how good the middle class is - except
when they cost you more for a product that you can get cheap by
exploiting Chinese labor.

Then you want those Chinamen working for 60 cents an hour to serve you.
Out of sight out of mind, hey?
That's why you won't be pinned down on "middle class" wages.
Want to think of yourself as a "working man."
Same as the kid serving you at Mickey D's.
Easier for you to rail against the "rich" you're jealous of.

I got news for you pal. China is probably cranking out 10's of
thousands of chemical engineers, and no Mickey D flippers.
Maybe India too.
You're next. And you don't have the experience to take the job from the
Mickey D's kid.
But maybe you can occupy yourself holding hands with your buddy Milton.
Walk on the beach together rhapsodizing about free trade.
And wondering why Americans forsook you for cheaper Chinese engineers.
But you probably still won't get it. You got no damn sense.
Same as other "free traders" like you I've dealt with over the years who
ended up unemployed and wondering what the **** hit them.
Better hope you're working in the defense industry.

so while you're saying that americans should pay MORE for the things
we buy, the LOGICAL argument is that americans should b paid for the
things we produce. but we're not. the rich just keep sucking up all
the money for themselves


You wouldn't know logic if it hit you with a 2X4.
You proved that in this, probably the most lame, counter-factual and
illogical post you've made here.
IT'S AS IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT OFFSHORING OF JOBS IS THE BIGGEST
DRAIN ON THE ECONOMY AND THE MIDDLE CLASS!
And I suspect you don't, because your hypocrisy won't allow it.
You want everything Chinaman-cheap, but your salary should increase.
That's all you've ever said here. Oh, yeah. Bush. Cheney. The Rich.
You echo deplume's lib impulses in some respects, but you want to nuke
all the Muslims so I can't call you a lib.

go ahead. continue to blame the middle class. it's a lolsing argument
based on emotion, not logic.


I'm tired of your "middle class" rant. It's all you got.
I never hear you pose solutions, just ****ing complain about the "rich"
and GWB, and Cheney.
No better than Loogy sniffing Harry's ass all the time.
I mention how Obama created 6000 "middle class" green energy jobs
overseas instead of here with tax money that will come out of the
pockets of the American "middle class."
Multi-millionaire don't know how many houses I own John McCain was first
off the blocks whining about the "buy American" with stimulus money
clause in getting it killed.

Expected you would say that's bad policy, and that the opposite should
be done to create jobs, and maybe offer some more incentives or
techniques the government could apply to bring jobs back here.
Get the "middle class" back and strong.
But nooooooo. You cry like a baby about paying more for goods, jump up
on Milton Friedman's and John McCain's lap and stick your thumb in your
mouth.
Taxpayer money to create jobs offshore - that's all good to you.
Because you want everything cheap and your salary raised.
Good bye. Won't wish you good luck, you selfish prick.
Like Kurtz said, you're part of what's wrong with this country.
Here's a parting gift if you're an iPhone putz.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/bu...07suicide.html

Jim - Glad to be done with this joker. He's not even consistent enough
to qualify for wingnut.

deficits don't matter
 

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:41:19 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 9-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

You just proved you are Einstein, or a liar. Einstead is dead. Did
you
"google" the name of the book?

so you're telling me you don't know who wrote it, or what reagan
thought of it?

I don't care what some politician "thought" of it. You never read it, not
could you. You should, it's your (or your heirs) future.

gee. i didnt know you were telepathic. psychotic, yes. telepathic, no.

and yes, i read atlas shrugged. you're just a right winger who cant
believe someone wont accept your fairy tales

You worship at the alter of Obama and congress and I HAVE FAIRY TALES! Oh
yeah...better adjust your aluminum hat.

let's see...obama got the middle class healthcare...stabilized
unemployment...passed regulation of wall street...

he actually DID something. and you want your little tooth fairy
stories about john galt

deficits don't matter
 

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:23:26 -0500, Jim wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:39:19 -0500, Jim wrote:

actually i agree with milton friedman; free trade, so the evidence
shows, raises standards of living EXCEPT when it becomes a race to the
bottom.


Too bad for you and your buddy Milton Friedman it's manifestly evident
it IS a race to the bottom.

yep it absolutely is UNLESS agreements are, as i said, put in place to
ensure free trade ISNT at the expense of working people

guess you can't read


you can't raise standards of living in the US by forcing us to pay
more for the things we buy. you increase standards by setting minimum
standards for living conditions in countries, similiar to setting free
trade conditions. that way you're not c ompeting by destroying living
standards


You raise standards by having everybody working at a decent wage.

EXACTLY!!! that's my POINT! the elite right wingers transfer middle
class wages to themselves in the US by denying us wage increases when
productivity increases


Don't act stupid like you don't know Chinamen are slaving away at 60
cents an hour so you and other working Americans can have more toys.

and they ARE getting 15% wage increases, just like the vietnamese,
japanese, taiwanese, etc. before them

i have an advantage over you; i've lived through this type of a cycle
in the semiconductor industry for 30 years. first it WAS the
japanese...they made ALOT less than we did. they don't now.

That's how the the "rich" are getting "richer."

uh NO, that's NOT. check the spread between the rich and middle class.
the spread...called the 'great divergence' is greater in the US than
in any industrialized country in the world

did you know that?

ah. no, you didn't

Your attitude about free trade pads their pockets.

funny...about 80% of german GDP is export based. they're doing fine.

your attitude about the rich pads their pockets


the fact is that the decrease in american living standards has
resulted in transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy.
productiviity in this country INCREASED over the last decade but the
middle class got NONE of it


The fact is that anybody here with a job at a decent wage is living
large. That would be you in spades.
You're just another hypocrite who wants more for himself and bull****s
about how good unions are, and how good the middle class is - except
when they cost you more for a product that you can get cheap by
exploiting Chinese labor.

gee. all i have is evidence. you? you have rush and hannity and glenn
beck...


I got news for you pal. China is probably cranking out 10's of
thousands of chemical engineers, and no Mickey D flippers.
Maybe India too.

gee. i'm a chemical engineer. and you ever read what constitutes an
'engineer' in china? the fact is, your rich elite buddies decided to
take ALL the money the middle class made in the last 10 years and keep
it for themselves.

THAT'S why we buy stuff overseas you idiot!


so while you're saying that americans should pay MORE for the things
we buy, the LOGICAL argument is that americans should b paid for the
things we produce. but we're not. the rich just keep sucking up all
the money for themselves


You wouldn't know logic if it hit you with a 2X4.
You proved that in this, probably the most lame, counter-factual and
illogical post you've made here.
IT'S AS IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT OFFSHORING OF JOBS IS THE BIGGEST
DRAIN ON THE ECONOMY AND THE MIDDLE CLASS!

since only about 20% of the US economy is export based, why dont you
show me the EVIDENCE??

where is it? or are you just spouting more bull****?

And I suspect you don't, because your hypocrisy won't allow it.
You want everything Chinaman-cheap, but your salary should increase.
That's all you've ever said here. Oh, yeah. Bush. Cheney. The Rich.
You echo deplume's lib impulses in some respects, but you want to nuke
all the Muslims so I can't call you a lib.

uh huh. now let's see...the US economy tanked in the last 3 years. YOU
say it's because our jobs went overseas.

proof? none. not a shred.

i say it's because the rich trashed the economy with their ponzi wall
street schemes

my evidence?

collateralized debt obligations were 1 trillion in 1997

and SIXTY TWO TRILLION in 2007

so tell me...where's your evidence? because i just gave you mine


go ahead. continue to blame the middle class. it's a lolsing argument
based on emotion, not logic.


I'm tired of your "middle class" rant. It's all you got.
I never hear you pose solutions, just ****ing complain about the "rich"
and GWB, and Cheney.

the solution?

more unions. better protection for middle class wage earners. tax
increases on the upper 5% who made ALL the money in the last 30 years.
we need to protect the middle class instead of YOUR right wing
bull**** solution of subsidizing the rich


Jim - Glad to be done with this joker. He's not even consistent enough
to qualify for wingnut.

gee. all i have is evidence and facts

you? you have your little fairy tales and monsters under the bed

deficits don't matter
 

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:38:43 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 9-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Bush and Cheney have had absolutely nothing to do with policies of the
U.S.for almost 2 years. The president has little authority regardless
(congress passes laws and budgets), and the VP simply waits for the
president to die - no authority whatsoever.

You need to loosen your Doctor Denton's - they're giving you cramps.

Actually, you're wrong. The current administration is, as you well know,
trying to get the economy moving again as a direct result of their
"policies."

You need to become less unhinged, since you seem to have the propensity to

bend over forward instead back.

The "current administration" (and any others in recent memory) doesn't care
whether you are alive or dead, warm in the winter or starving

well let's see...the current guys got us health care

the previous guy got a massive pay increase for the rich

you were saying?


.. It's all
about party, no matter the degree of corruption. You and the huddling masses
are only livestock to be harvested. Once you cannot be harvested, they don't
even want you alive. Ask anyone caring for a person in a hospital on
medicare - the caretakers are encouraged top "let 'em die" because the
individual no longer serves their destiny as a source of money to the
rulers.

more bull****

deficits don't matter
 

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The "current administration" (and any others in recent memory) doesn't
care
whether you are alive or dead, warm in the winter or starving

well let's see...the current guys got us health care

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received so
far is a pounding in the ass.



the previous guy got a massive pay increase for the rich

you were saying?

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

deficits don't matter
 

On 10-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

even want you alive. Ask anyone caring for a person in a hospital on
medicare - the caretakers are encouraged top "let 'em die" because the
individual no longer serves their destiny as a source of money to the
rulers.

You've got some serious life problems I'm sure. And, I'm sorry for you,
but
your completely wrong.

The matter isn't an issue of right or wrong, or even correct or incorrect,
it's a matter of experience.

deficits don't matter
 

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

You worship at the alter of Obama and congress and I HAVE FAIRY TALES!
Oh
yeah...better adjust your aluminum hat.

let's see...obama got the middle class healthcare...

paid for by YOU! Free doesn't exist except in the mind of beggars/welfare
class

stabilized
unemployment...

By doubling the unemployment rate? He actually needs a lot of slack on that
one - you assholes buying everything Asian is the primary driver.

passed regulation of wall street...

20% of the population knows a bill was passed - no one, including you and
dip****, know what was in it. To help you even more, congress passed it,
dip**** merely signed it - the content is yet to be revealed...........but
because congress and dip**** belong to your preferred criminal syndicate, it
must be a good thing!


he actually DID something. and you want your little tooth fairy
stories about john galt

Don't work, don't produce, squeal for trivial handouts - it'll work! Trust
me!

Stupidity and gullibility can't be cured.

Do you know how to catch pigs?

deficits don't matter
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 10-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

even want you alive. Ask anyone caring for a person in a hospital on
medicare - the caretakers are encouraged top "let 'em die" because the
individual no longer serves their destiny as a source of money to the
rulers.

You've got some serious life problems I'm sure. And, I'm sorry for you,
but
your completely wrong.

The matter isn't an issue of right or wrong, or even correct or incorrect,
it's a matter of experience.

Right. Sounds like you have very little or are deliberately ignorant.

deficits don't matter
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The "current administration" (and any others in recent memory) doesn't
care
whether you are alive or dead, warm in the winter or starving

well let's see...the current guys got us health care

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received so
far is a pounding in the ass.



the previous guy got a massive pay increase for the rich

you were saying?

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

For someone who claims a lot of knowledge, you seem fairly clueless.

deficits don't matter
 

Secular Humorist wrote:
On 9/9/10 7:06 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/9/10 2:16 PM, Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 9-Sep-2010, wrote:

Here's a suggestion.
Come up with some reasonable goals for America and post them here.

Turn it over to government control of everything (your light bulbs,
shower
heads, toilettes and on and on), freeloaders, Islamic maniacs and
Mexican
peasants. Oops! THAT was FAST!!

If you can't do that, then just roll up into a big ball and die.

The U.S. is YOUR problem, not mine. Survival of the fittest is
mandatory
and unavoidable. "Americans" are not fit (educationally, culturally,
ethically, economically) and cannot survive to the level of
standards of
only 30 years ago.

Aside from drooling your venom, what skills have you?

How is the basement dwelling business these days?



You'd have to ask someone who dwells in a basement, *****forbrains* .

How's your boat?
He did. Hit 20 hours yet, blowhard?