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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:41:35 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:14:49 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:13:22 -0400, wrote: this is OLD news. hell, it's common knowledge the ISI is corrupt and a branch office of the taliban. Yet we still keep shoveling money into that corruption and killing our kids. guess you haven't been to NY. And propping up the Taliban with US dollars is going to bring the towers back? Hell, the Bush Administration couldn't even get revenge for the 9-11 attacks. As soon as Bush's handlers realized that we were not going to be successful in tracking down al Qaeda and its supporters in Afghanistan, despite our overwhelming military might, it diverted our attention with a billion barrels of bull**** to Iraq. It really makes no sense to maintain our military at current levels. My major disappointment with President Obama is his decision to go along with an escalation in Afghanistan. All we're going to get from that are more body bags containing Americans and a further waste of our tax dollars. Cut the military budget in half. Use $100 billion of the savings on building up a true professional intel service, and use the remaining savings to pay down the deficits and rebuild infrastructure. |
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m... On 7/28/10 11:00 AM, wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:41:35 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:14:49 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:13:22 -0400, wrote: this is OLD news. hell, it's common knowledge the ISI is corrupt and a branch office of the taliban. Yet we still keep shoveling money into that corruption and killing our kids. guess you haven't been to NY. And propping up the Taliban with US dollars is going to bring the towers back? Hell, the Bush Administration couldn't even get revenge for the 9-11 attacks. As soon as Bush's handlers realized that we were not going to be successful in tracking down al Qaeda and its supporters in Afghanistan, despite our overwhelming military might, it diverted our attention with a billion barrels of bull**** to Iraq. It really makes no sense to maintain our military at current levels. My major disappointment with President Obama is his decision to go along with an escalation in Afghanistan. All we're going to get from that are more body bags containing Americans and a further waste of our tax dollars. He didn't simply go along, he took the initiative to commit what, 40,000 troops. -- Me |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:40:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:06:42 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:00:43 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:55:05 -0400, wrote: Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind? let's see...when did cambodia attack us? uh...never You really are ignorant of history aren't you. We attacked Cambodia covertly because we said they were harboring the VC, just like Pakistan harbors OBL. really? the cambodians flew planes into NYC? wow. that's something NO ONE knew!! The Taliban didn't fly any planes into New York either. They never had a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country. Untrue - they were were harboring bin laden even after we asked them to give him up. We are attacking Pakistan as we speak and Plume wants us to invade Somalia (Al-Shabab) , Indonesia (FPI) or wherever else Taliban like organizations spring up, even if they have no particular interests beyond their own borders. Really? Where did I say that? We're going after them in Afg. and going after bin laden's crowd in the uncontrolled regions of Pakistan. We have special forces in lots of places, supporting the suppression of radicals. Sounds to me like you want us to retreat to our borders and hope for the best. Now we have muslim nations starting to think they are right and we are wrong. Do you really want to start a war with a billion people? That would have been Bush's doing. Obama is trying to repair that damage. The whole thing unraveled after the Pentagon Papers exposed this all and it became clear that instead of trying to wind down an unpopular war, as promised by the new president, we were expanding it. I expect this and subsequent "leaks" to bring the same anti-war sentiment out this time. now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all We will see won't we. Just about everyone has said there's nothing new. Doesn't mean that the totality of the information is something to ignore of course. I am surprised you aren't jumping on this because they are mostly from the Bush administration ... but the policy is the same now isn't it? Not even close. Not for Iraq and not for Afg. |
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"I am Tosk" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:40:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:06:42 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:00:43 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:55:05 -0400, wrote: Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind? let's see...when did cambodia attack us? uh...never You really are ignorant of history aren't you. We attacked Cambodia covertly because we said they were harboring the VC, just like Pakistan harbors OBL. really? the cambodians flew planes into NYC? wow. that's something NO ONE knew!! The Taliban didn't fly any planes into New York either. They never had a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country. We are attacking Pakistan as we speak and Plume wants us to invade Somalia (Al-Shabab) , Indonesia (FPI) or wherever else Taliban like organizations spring up, even if they have no particular interests beyond their own borders. Now we have muslim nations starting to think they are right and we are wrong. Do you really want to start a war with a billion people? The whole thing unraveled after the Pentagon Papers exposed this all and it became clear that instead of trying to wind down an unpopular war, as promised by the new president, we were expanding it. I expect this and subsequent "leaks" to bring the same anti-war sentiment out this time. now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all We will see won't we. I am surprised you aren't jumping on this because they are mostly from the Bush administration ... but the policy is the same now isn't it? What's telling is how differently these leaks are being used by the Minority Media. During the Bush Admin, leaks were exploited selfishly by the liberal media who thought the more Americans killed in the middle east, the better for their progressive, anti-American, political agenda... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! You're a cretin. I suspect that you're the kind of person who would be a perfect representation of an American Taliban. An intolerant moron who cares nothing about this great country. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:18:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:40:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:06:42 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:00:43 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:55:05 -0400, wrote: Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind? let's see...when did cambodia attack us? uh...never You really are ignorant of history aren't you. We attacked Cambodia covertly because we said they were harboring the VC, just like Pakistan harbors OBL. really? the cambodians flew planes into NYC? wow. that's something NO ONE knew!! The Taliban didn't fly any planes into New York either. They never had a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country. Untrue - they were were harboring bin laden even after we asked them to give him up. Read what I said again. They did not have a beef with the US until we invaded their country. There were other ways of getting Bin Laden. Read what I said... they were asked to give him up and they refused. We are attacking Pakistan as we speak and Plume wants us to invade Somalia (Al-Shabab) , Indonesia (FPI) or wherever else Taliban like organizations spring up, even if they have no particular interests beyond their own borders. Really? Where did I say that? We're going after them in Afg. and going after bin laden's crowd in the uncontrolled regions of Pakistan. We have special forces in lots of places, supporting the suppression of radicals. Sounds to me like you want us to retreat to our borders and hope for the best. So far we don't seem particularly effective at it. We kill as many innocent people as we do terrorists and make terrorists faster than we can kill them because of it. Perhaps... I don't know the current numbers, but a single innocent death is too many. We are not doing much of anything in Somalia. We can't even stop the pirates that operate right on the coast. After Mogadishu we are not venturing into the central part much at all. Cite something to prove I am wrong. Sure... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/06/wo...06somalia.html Now we have muslim nations starting to think they are right and we are wrong. Do you really want to start a war with a billion people? That would have been Bush's doing. Obama is trying to repair that damage. Obama is doing the same thing Bush was doing, with all of the same people. Nope. He's gotten our approval ratings in Muslim world going in the right direction. The whole thing unraveled after the Pentagon Papers exposed this all and it became clear that instead of trying to wind down an unpopular war, as promised by the new president, we were expanding it. I expect this and subsequent "leaks" to bring the same anti-war sentiment out this time. now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all We will see won't we. Just about everyone has said there's nothing new. Doesn't mean that the totality of the information is something to ignore of course. Like I said, let's wait and see what comes out. Simply the fact that the government admits we are throwing money at corrupt governments that are diverting it to the enemy should make someone mad. I think we've been doing that for a long time. Feel free to dispute this. I think that the current admin is aware of this and I'm hopeful that that policy will change over time. It certainly didn't change during the last admin. I am surprised you aren't jumping on this because they are mostly from the Bush administration ... but the policy is the same now isn't it? Not even close. Not for Iraq and not for Afg. OK what is different? Petraus says he is dusting off the Iraq surge protocol and implementing it in Afghanistan, in spite of the fact that the situation is totally different. I've noted the differences several times. Feel free to go back and read them. If anyone can salvage Bush's mess in Afg., then it would be Petraus. He did pretty well in Iraq. I'm not a military expert (are you?), so I give his opinion some weight. |
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"Harry " wrote in message m... On 7/28/10 9:35 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harry?" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:54:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:02:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:00:28 -0400, bpuharic wrote: and afganistan? guess you havent heard of 9/11. Yeah I heard of it. I also heard the people who planned it have not been in Afghanistan for 6 years. hmmm...again you need to read the news. the taliban just abducted 2 US servicemen the other day The Taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. They are simply reacting to our invasion of their country. Not directly, but they were certainly allowing bin laden to do whatever he wanted inside the Afg. border. That was then, this is now and OBL is not in Afghanistan. We have managed to push that problem into a country that is a lot more dangerous than Afghanistan and almost as unstable, getting worse every day. Then or now, it doesn't matter. If we can stabilize Afg., then we have a better chance of finishing him. We could absolutely dominate Afghanistan and that still does not give us the right to invade Pakistan to get OBL ... unless you think that is our next step. Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind? OBL might not even be the biggest danger to the US these days. It could be another group in Africa or Indonesia and we are totally ignoring them in our obsession with OBL. I had a dog like that once. He saw a rabbit under the macadamia nut tree once and after that he had to go look there every time he went outside. There were rabbits everywhere but he kept trying to find that one. We always fight the last war and try to prevent the last attack instead of looking for the next one. Our biggest enemies aren't in the middle east. -- Harold Finally said something right... they work on Wall Street. Flajim is now openly spoofing my ID here? What an ass he is. Leopard doesn't change it's spots! Say what? Leopard this! Spot boy! |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:09:58 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote: What's telling is how differently these leaks are being used by the Minority Media. During the Bush Admin, leaks were exploited selfishly by the liberal media who thought the more Americans killed in the middle east, the better for their progressive, anti-American, political agenda... it's funny bush kills 4400 US troops for NO reason and he blames it on the media the right wing...no morals at all and i guess you haven't noticed gfretwell's support of al qaida. he's on your side |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:29:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:18:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" So far we don't seem particularly effective at it. We kill as many innocent people as we do terrorists and make terrorists faster than we can kill them because of it. Perhaps... I don't know the current numbers, but a single innocent death is too many. the taliban actually kill about 10X as many as we do. but islam does not accept that muslims can kill muslims so they ignore it. look at what turkish PM recip erdogan said about sudan's president omar al bashir...who's just been indicted for war crimes so they hate us for killing 1 muslim but ignore it when a thousand are killed by other muslims |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:00:09 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:41:35 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:14:49 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:13:22 -0400, bpuharic wrote: this is OLD news. hell, it's common knowledge the ISI is corrupt and a branch office of the taliban. Yet we still keep shoveling money into that corruption and killing our kids. guess you haven't been to NY. And propping up the Taliban with US dollars is going to bring the towers back? gee. tell the newly dead taliban that we killed today about our support. i'm sure they'll appreciate it |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... YukonBound wrote: "Harry " wrote in message m... On 7/28/10 9:35 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harry?" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:54:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:02:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:00:28 -0400, bpuharic wrote: and afganistan? guess you havent heard of 9/11. Yeah I heard of it. I also heard the people who planned it have not been in Afghanistan for 6 years. hmmm...again you need to read the news. the taliban just abducted 2 US servicemen the other day The Taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. They are simply reacting to our invasion of their country. Not directly, but they were certainly allowing bin laden to do whatever he wanted inside the Afg. border. That was then, this is now and OBL is not in Afghanistan. We have managed to push that problem into a country that is a lot more dangerous than Afghanistan and almost as unstable, getting worse every day. Then or now, it doesn't matter. If we can stabilize Afg., then we have a better chance of finishing him. We could absolutely dominate Afghanistan and that still does not give us the right to invade Pakistan to get OBL ... unless you think that is our next step. Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind? OBL might not even be the biggest danger to the US these days. It could be another group in Africa or Indonesia and we are totally ignoring them in our obsession with OBL. I had a dog like that once. He saw a rabbit under the macadamia nut tree once and after that he had to go look there every time he went outside. There were rabbits everywhere but he kept trying to find that one. We always fight the last war and try to prevent the last attack instead of looking for the next one. Our biggest enemies aren't in the middle east. -- Harold Finally said something right... they work on Wall Street. Flajim is now openly spoofing my ID here? What an ass he is. Leopard doesn't change it's spots! Say what? Leopard this! Spot boy! That's about as dumb a response as you'll read in here! Get to work, counterman. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:29:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:18:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:40:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote: The Taliban didn't fly any planes into New York either. They never had a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country. Untrue - they were were harboring bin laden even after we asked them to give him up. Read what I said again. They did not have a beef with the US until we invaded their country. There were other ways of getting Bin Laden. Read what I said... they were asked to give him up and they refused. That is not the same as being one of the plotters of 9-11 Ok, it's just harboring and abetting them. So, it's pretty close, esp. after 3000 US citizens just died as a result. We are not doing much of anything in Somalia. We can't even stop the pirates that operate right on the coast. After Mogadishu we are not venturing into the central part much at all. Cite something to prove I am wrong. Sure... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/06/wo...06somalia.html Do you actually read the articles you link? This is 2 in a row where the article says exactly the opposite of what you represented it as saying.. "This is not an American offensive, said Johnnie Carson, the assistant secretary of state for Africa. The U.S. military is not on the ground in Somalia.." And... "Most of the American military assistance to the Somali government has been focused on training, or has been channeled through African Union peacekeepers. But that could change. An American official in Washington, who said he was not authorized to speak publicly, predicted that American covert forces would get involved if the offensive, which could begin in a few weeks, dislodged Qaeda terrorists. " And... http://original.antiwar.com/lobe/201...slamist-group/ "Obama appears to have suspended such attacks, although, in mid-September last year, helicopter-borne U.S. Special Forces ambushed a convoy carrying Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, the leader of an al Qaeda cell in Kenya who, according to U.S. officials, played key roles in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and a 2002 bombing of an Israeli hotel in Mombasa. " The whole thing unraveled after the Pentagon Papers exposed this all and it became clear that instead of trying to wind down an unpopular war, as promised by the new president, we were expanding it. I expect this and subsequent "leaks" to bring the same anti-war sentiment out this time. now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all We will see won't we. Just about everyone has said there's nothing new. Doesn't mean that the totality of the information is something to ignore of course. Like I said, let's wait and see what comes out. Simply the fact that the government admits we are throwing money at corrupt governments that are diverting it to the enemy should make someone mad. I think we've been doing that for a long time. Feel free to dispute this. I think that the current admin is aware of this and I'm hopeful that that policy will change over time. It certainly didn't change during the last admin. So a stupid and counter productive policy is ok if we have been doing it a long time? I never said Bush was smart, much to the contrary. The man was an idiot.. I am only criticizing Obama for acting as dumb as Bush I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. I am surprised you aren't jumping on this because they are mostly from the Bush administration ... but the policy is the same now isn't it? Not even close. Not for Iraq and not for Afg. OK what is different? Petraus says he is dusting off the Iraq surge protocol and implementing it in Afghanistan, in spite of the fact that the situation is totally different. I've noted the differences several times. Feel free to go back and read them. If anyone can salvage Bush's mess in Afg., then it would be Petraus. He did pretty well in Iraq. I'm not a military expert (are you?), so I give his opinion some weight. The real answer is what happens when we leave. I have never underestimated the ability of the military to kill people and break things in order to control a situation, given enough money. The question is whether we are actually accomplishing anything or are we just prolonging a war for grand children to fight. We have been in Korea for almost 60 years and things are worse now than they were in 1953. ?? In 1953 we were still actively fighting, at least through the first half of the year. How many US troops have died fighting N. Koreans this year? |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:58:58 -0400, bpuharic wrote: . They never had a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country. and we never had a beef with them, considering we were their LARGEST donor, until they killed 3000 US citizens It appears we still are if you look at the documents released the other day. Now we have muslim nations starting to think they are right and we are wrong. Do you really want to start a war with a billion people? islam, like all religions, is a recipe for lame and shoddy thinking. islam is exceptionally violent since we did NOTHING to them PRIOR to 9/11, and they STILL attacked us, OBL's beef with us was about Israel That's completely simplistic. He's certainly got a beef with us about more than that one issue. That's his propaganda. now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all We will see won't we. don't have to. there's not a siingle person saying anything is new. and that's from the folks who PUBLISHED the documents Probably the most damning thing so far is the fact that a lot of the money we are giving Kabul and Islamabad is ending up with the Taliban. It is one thing to have Michael Moore and Arianna Huffington saying this but when it is in official government papers it has a little more of an outrage factor. Parents who lost their child in Afghanistan and taxpayers who lost their job are not going to be happy with the idea that we are funding the people we say are trying to beat and in fact may be their biggest source of funds. Yes, it's a clusterf*ck. The problem is that if we give them money, they help the terrorists. If we don't give them money, they help the terrorists even more. |
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On Jul 29, 3:30*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. D'Plume. Your president isn't dumb like Bush. He's dumb in his own unique way, however he is like Bush in that his approval ratings seem to drop daily. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll |
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:04:50 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog wrote: On Jul 29, 3:30 am, wrote: I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. D'Plume. Your president isn't dumb like Bush. He's dumb in his own unique way, however he is like Bush in that his approval ratings seem to drop daily. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll I got a chuckle the other day when Newsweek said polls have concluded that an endorsement from Obama is not as valuable as one from Sarah Palin. I imagine a comment from Linsey Lohan is worth more than both of them. It would certainly get more coverage. I suppose if you are a moron seeking the vote of morons, the Palin endorsement should do it for you. |
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Jul 29, 3:30 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. D'Plume. Your president isn't dumb like Bush. He's dumb in his own unique way, however he is like Bush in that his approval ratings seem to drop daily. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll Oops... you're a moron and ill-informed. http://www.politicususa.com/en/reagan-obama-approval |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:04:50 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog wrote: On Jul 29, 3:30 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. D'Plume. Your president isn't dumb like Bush. He's dumb in his own unique way, however he is like Bush in that his approval ratings seem to drop daily. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll I got a chuckle the other day when Newsweek said polls have concluded that an endorsement from Obama is not as valuable as one from Sarah Palin. I imagine a comment from Linsey Lohan is worth more than both of them. It would certainly get more coverage. Ummm... Palin is like toxic grease. Check the poll numbers. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:30:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. Read what I said... they were asked to give him up and they refused. That is not the same as being one of the plotters of 9-11 Ok, it's just harboring and abetting them. So, it's pretty close, esp. after 3000 US citizens just died as a result. That is a stretch, bordering on the 9-11 Iraq connection which was none too. There was no "stretch" for Iraq. That was out and out lying to the American public. We are not doing much of anything in Somalia. We can't even stop the pirates that operate right on the coast. After Mogadishu we are not venturing into the central part much at all. Cite something to prove I am wrong. Sure... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/06/wo...06somalia.html Do you actually read the articles you link? This is 2 in a row where the article says exactly the opposite of what you represented it as saying.. "This is not an American offensive, said Johnnie Carson, the assistant secretary of state for Africa. The U.S. military is not on the ground in Somalia.." And... "Most of the American military assistance to the Somali government has been focused on training, or has been channeled through African Union peacekeepers. But that could change. An American official in Washington, who said he was not authorized to speak publicly, predicted that American covert forces would get involved if the offensive, which could begin in a few weeks, dislodged Qaeda terrorists. " And... http://original.antiwar.com/lobe/201...slamist-group/ "Obama appears to have suspended such attacks, although, in mid-September last year, helicopter-borne U.S. Special Forces ambushed a convoy carrying Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, the leader of an al Qaeda cell in Kenya who, according to U.S. officials, played key roles in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and a 2002 bombing of an Israeli hotel in Mombasa. " "That could change" ... "attack in Kenya" Like I said we are not in Somalia. A lot of things "could" happen. We are training them, we have drone attacks on and off. Feel free to bury your head in the sand. I am only criticizing Obama for acting as dumb as Bush I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. Yeah he "could" be smarter than Bush, we just haven't seen it yet. I am hopeful but this whole thing was built on "hope" not action. Yes, we have. He didn't start a war for no reason and he's fulfilling many of what he said he'd do. He's not a moron and he doesn't take 1/3 of his time as vacation. We have been in Korea for almost 60 years and things are worse now than they were in 1953. ?? In 1953 we were still actively fighting, at least through the first half of the year. How many US troops have died fighting N. Koreans this year? In 1953 big Kim did not have a nuke and he didn't sink any ships. And, how many US troops have died?? Why don't you blame Clinton for the nukes and the ship sinking... |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:11:49 -0400, bpuharic wrote: OBL's beef with us was about Israel really? got proof of that? Bin Laden's l;etter to America http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver (Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you? As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: (1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us. a) You attacked us in Palestine: So, you take the word of a mass murderer? Well, you got me there. |
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:43:53 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:11:49 -0400, bpuharic wrote: OBL's beef with us was about Israel really? got proof of that? Bin Laden's l;etter to America http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver (Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you? As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: (1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us. a) You attacked us in Palestine: gee. i know you're not too bright. did you notice the timeline on this letter? november 2002. a year after 911. christ you dont even know modern history. you're a BLITHERINNG MORON who can't even remember what osama said about WHY he was attacking us.... when it was called to his attention that he ignored israel in his original 'declaration of war on america', he issued the letter you just quoted. you just make up ****. that's all you do. you make **** up then vomit your hatred of the US about why nazi beleifs are correct here you ASSHOLE, is what bin laden said BEFORE he attacked us about WHY he was attacking us http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terroris...atwa_1996.html YOU are a ****ING NAZI MORON. it's of NO consequence to you that the nazi islamist movement attacked the US. YOU BLAME IT ON THE UNITED STATES i notice NONE of your right wing ass kissing buddies noticed your cowardice.... asshole |
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... On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:11:03 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. "This is not an American offensive, said Johnnie Carson, the assistant secretary of state for Africa. The U.S. military is not on the ground in Somalia.." And... "Most of the American military assistance to the Somali government has been focused on training, or has been channeled through African Union peacekeepers. But that could change. An American official in Washington, who said he was not authorized to speak publicly, predicted that American covert forces would get involved if the offensive, which could begin in a few weeks, dislodged Qaeda terrorists. " And... http://original.antiwar.com/lobe/201...slamist-group/ "Obama appears to have suspended such attacks, although, in mid-September last year, helicopter-borne U.S. Special Forces ambushed a convoy carrying Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, the leader of an al Qaeda cell in Kenya who, according to U.S. officials, played key roles in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and a 2002 bombing of an Israeli hotel in Mombasa. " "That could change" ... "attack in Kenya" Like I said we are not in Somalia. A lot of things "could" happen. We are training them, we have drone attacks on and off. Feel free to bury your head in the sand. What part of "on the ground" confuses you? I am only criticizing Obama for acting as dumb as Bush I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. Yeah he "could" be smarter than Bush, we just haven't seen it yet. I am hopeful but this whole thing was built on "hope" not action. Yes, we have. He didn't start a war for no reason and he's fulfilling many of what he said he'd do. He's not a moron and he doesn't take 1/3 of his time as vacation. The president is never on vacation. He takes the office with him. We have been in Korea for almost 60 years and things are worse now than they were in 1953. ?? In 1953 we were still actively fighting, at least through the first half of the year. How many US troops have died fighting N. Koreans this year? In 1953 big Kim did not have a nuke and he didn't sink any ships. And, how many US troops have died?? Why don't you blame Clinton for the nukes and the ship sinking... You keep ignoring what I write and answering a question I didn't ask. I will rephrase and ask you again Do you think things are significantly better in Korea than they were on July 27. 1953? Quibbling about 8 months in a 57 year debacle only shows the weakness in your position. -- Me |
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... On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:11:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:11:49 -0400, bpuharic wrote: OBL's beef with us was about Israel really? got proof of that? Bin Laden's l;etter to America http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver (Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you? As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: (1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us. a) You attacked us in Palestine: So, you take the word of a mass murderer? Well, you got me there. I believe him when he tells us what ****ed him off. Again you didn't read what I wrote before you responded. -- Me |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... YukonBound wrote: "Harry " wrote in message m... On 7/28/10 9:35 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harry?" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:54:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:02:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:00:28 -0400, bpuharic wrote: and afganistan? guess you havent heard of 9/11. Yeah I heard of it. I also heard the people who planned it have not been in Afghanistan for 6 years. hmmm...again you need to read the news. the taliban just abducted 2 US servicemen the other day The Taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. They are simply reacting to our invasion of their country. Not directly, but they were certainly allowing bin laden to do whatever he wanted inside the Afg. border. That was then, this is now and OBL is not in Afghanistan. We have managed to push that problem into a country that is a lot more dangerous than Afghanistan and almost as unstable, getting worse every day. Then or now, it doesn't matter. If we can stabilize Afg., then we have a better chance of finishing him. We could absolutely dominate Afghanistan and that still does not give us the right to invade Pakistan to get OBL ... unless you think that is our next step. Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind? OBL might not even be the biggest danger to the US these days. It could be another group in Africa or Indonesia and we are totally ignoring them in our obsession with OBL. I had a dog like that once. He saw a rabbit under the macadamia nut tree once and after that he had to go look there every time he went outside. There were rabbits everywhere but he kept trying to find that one. We always fight the last war and try to prevent the last attack instead of looking for the next one. Our biggest enemies aren't in the middle east. -- Harold Finally said something right... they work on Wall Street. Flajim is now openly spoofing my ID here? What an ass he is. Leopard doesn't change it's spots! Say what? Leopard this! Spot boy! That's about as dumb a response as you'll read in here! Get to work, counterman. I was trying to emulate the dumbest person here. It's hard to even pretend to be as dumb as you actually are, Donny. |
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On Jul 29, 3:30 am, wrote: I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. D'Plume. Your president isn't dumb like Bush. He's dumb in his own unique way, however he is like Bush in that his approval ratings seem to drop daily. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll No surprise there. Have you noticed how many Obama bumper stickers are gone? 18 months ago they were everywhere. I remember John Kerry stickers on cars well over a year after he _lost_ the election. |
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:12:54 -0400, bpuharic wrote: gee. i know you're not too bright. did you notice the timeline on this letter? november 2002. a year after 911. here you ASSHOLE, is what bin laden said BEFORE he attacked us about WHY he was attacking us http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terroris...atwa_1996.html Hey did you actually read this rant? OBL makes repeated references to the Crusader-Zionist alliance and if that confused you he also says American-Israeli alliance\ gee. he thinks we're controlled by israel but doesnt mention israel he mentions the '2 sacred places'...the mosques of mecca and medina but you hadnt a clue... He goes farther to say Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq. This is about Israel, get over it. which, i suppose, is why he doesnt mention israel, instead, bleats on about the mosques of medina and mecca but you hate america and love naziism so the truth is irrelevant YOU are a ****ING NAZI MORON. it's of NO consequence to you that the nazi islamist movement attacked the US. YOU BLAME IT ON THE UNITED STATES i notice NONE of your right wing ass kissing buddies noticed your cowardice.... asshole You really have to calm down. I don't want your heart attack on my conscience. and you have to get excited. i dont want to have to pull your rotting hide out of another WTC |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... YukonBound wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... YukonBound wrote: "Harry " wrote in message m... On 7/28/10 9:35 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harry?" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:54:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:02:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:00:28 -0400, bpuharic wrote: and afganistan? guess you havent heard of 9/11. Yeah I heard of it. I also heard the people who planned it have not been in Afghanistan for 6 years. hmmm...again you need to read the news. the taliban just abducted 2 US servicemen the other day The Taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. They are simply reacting to our invasion of their country. Not directly, but they were certainly allowing bin laden to do whatever he wanted inside the Afg. border. That was then, this is now and OBL is not in Afghanistan. We have managed to push that problem into a country that is a lot more dangerous than Afghanistan and almost as unstable, getting worse every day. Then or now, it doesn't matter. If we can stabilize Afg., then we have a better chance of finishing him. We could absolutely dominate Afghanistan and that still does not give us the right to invade Pakistan to get OBL ... unless you think that is our next step. Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind? OBL might not even be the biggest danger to the US these days. It could be another group in Africa or Indonesia and we are totally ignoring them in our obsession with OBL. I had a dog like that once. He saw a rabbit under the macadamia nut tree once and after that he had to go look there every time he went outside. There were rabbits everywhere but he kept trying to find that one. We always fight the last war and try to prevent the last attack instead of looking for the next one. Our biggest enemies aren't in the middle east. -- Harold Finally said something right... they work on Wall Street. Flajim is now openly spoofing my ID here? What an ass he is. Leopard doesn't change it's spots! Say what? Leopard this! Spot boy! That's about as dumb a response as you'll read in here! Get to work, counterman. I was trying to emulate the dumbest person here. It's hard to even pretend to be as dumb as you actually are, Donny. Forget emulating... you set the gold standard for dummies worldwide. Keep up the dumb work, counterman. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... TopBassDog wrote: On Jul 29, 3:30 am, wrote: I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. D'Plume. Your president isn't dumb like Bush. He's dumb in his own unique way, however he is like Bush in that his approval ratings seem to drop daily. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll No surprise there. Have you noticed how many Obama bumper stickers are gone? 18 months ago they were everywhere. I remember John Kerry stickers on cars well over a year after he _lost_ the election. No surprise that you're a moron. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:11:03 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. "This is not an American offensive, said Johnnie Carson, the assistant secretary of state for Africa. The U.S. military is not on the ground in Somalia.." And... "Most of the American military assistance to the Somali government has been focused on training, or has been channeled through African Union peacekeepers. But that could change. An American official in Washington, who said he was not authorized to speak publicly, predicted that American covert forces would get involved if the offensive, which could begin in a few weeks, dislodged Qaeda terrorists. " And... http://original.antiwar.com/lobe/201...slamist-group/ "Obama appears to have suspended such attacks, although, in mid-September last year, helicopter-borne U.S. Special Forces ambushed a convoy carrying Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, the leader of an al Qaeda cell in Kenya who, according to U.S. officials, played key roles in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and a 2002 bombing of an Israeli hotel in Mombasa. " "That could change" ... "attack in Kenya" Like I said we are not in Somalia. A lot of things "could" happen. We are training them, we have drone attacks on and off. Feel free to bury your head in the sand. What part of "on the ground" confuses you? So you believe that only "on the ground" qualifies as involvement in another country. Wow. I am only criticizing Obama for acting as dumb as Bush I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. Yeah he "could" be smarter than Bush, we just haven't seen it yet. I am hopeful but this whole thing was built on "hope" not action. Yes, we have. He didn't start a war for no reason and he's fulfilling many of what he said he'd do. He's not a moron and he doesn't take 1/3 of his time as vacation. The president is never on vacation. He takes the office with him. Sure. Hanging out in Crawford clearing brush is exactly the same as sitting behind a desk in the White House reading reports. Keep defending Bush! We have been in Korea for almost 60 years and things are worse now than they were in 1953. ?? In 1953 we were still actively fighting, at least through the first half of the year. How many US troops have died fighting N. Koreans this year? In 1953 big Kim did not have a nuke and he didn't sink any ships. And, how many US troops have died?? Why don't you blame Clinton for the nukes and the ship sinking... You keep ignoring what I write and answering a question I didn't ask. I will rephrase and ask you again Do you think things are significantly better in Korea than they were on July 27. 1953? Yes. No US troops are dying. Quibbling about 8 months in a 57 year debacle only shows the weakness in your position. ?? I'm not quibbling about anything. So far, the peace is being kept in Korea, with occasional lapses by the NKs. |
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"Harry ?" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:11:03 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... "This is not an American offensive, said Johnnie Carson, the assistant secretary of state for Africa. The U.S. military is not on the ground in Somalia.." And... "Most of the American military assistance to the Somali government has been focused on training, or has been channeled through African Union peacekeepers. But that could change. An American official in Washington, who said he was not authorized to speak publicly, predicted that American covert forces would get involved if the offensive, which could begin in a few weeks, dislodged Qaeda terrorists. " And... http://original.antiwar.com/lobe/201...slamist-group/ "Obama appears to have suspended such attacks, although, in mid-September last year, helicopter-borne U.S. Special Forces ambushed a convoy carrying Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, the leader of an al Qaeda cell in Kenya who, according to U.S. officials, played key roles in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and a 2002 bombing of an Israeli hotel in Mombasa. " "That could change" ... "attack in Kenya" Like I said we are not in Somalia. A lot of things "could" happen. We are training them, we have drone attacks on and off. Feel free to bury your head in the sand. What part of "on the ground" confuses you? I am only criticizing Obama for acting as dumb as Bush I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush. Yeah he "could" be smarter than Bush, we just haven't seen it yet. I am hopeful but this whole thing was built on "hope" not action. Yes, we have. He didn't start a war for no reason and he's fulfilling many of what he said he'd do. He's not a moron and he doesn't take 1/3 of his time as vacation. The president is never on vacation. He takes the office with him. We have been in Korea for almost 60 years and things are worse now than they were in 1953. ?? In 1953 we were still actively fighting, at least through the first half of the year. How many US troops have died fighting N. Koreans this year? In 1953 big Kim did not have a nuke and he didn't sink any ships. And, how many US troops have died?? Why don't you blame Clinton for the nukes and the ship sinking... You keep ignoring what I write and answering a question I didn't ask. I will rephrase and ask you again Do you think things are significantly better in Korea than they were on July 27. 1953? Quibbling about 8 months in a 57 year debacle only shows the weakness in your position. -- Me - stupid There.. I fixed your post for you. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:11:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:11:49 -0400, bpuharic wrote: OBL's beef with us was about Israel really? got proof of that? Bin Laden's l;etter to America http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver (Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you? As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: (1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us. a) You attacked us in Palestine: So, you take the word of a mass murderer? Well, you got me there. I believe him when he tells us what ****ed him off. Again you didn't read what I wrote before you responded. Sorry, but I don't believe OBL over anyone including GWB. |
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"Harry ?" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:11:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:11:49 -0400, bpuharic wrote: OBL's beef with us was about Israel really? got proof of that? Bin Laden's l;etter to America http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver (Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you? As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: (1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us. a) You attacked us in Palestine: So, you take the word of a mass murderer? Well, you got me there. I believe him when he tells us what ****ed him off. Again you didn't read what I wrote before you responded. -- Me - stupid |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:12:54 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:43:53 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:11:49 -0400, bpuharic wrote: OBL's beef with us was about Israel really? got proof of that? Bin Laden's l;etter to America http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver (Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you? As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: (1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us. a) You attacked us in Palestine: gee. i know you're not too bright. did you notice the timeline on this letter? november 2002. a year after 911. christ you dont even know modern history. you're a BLITHERINNG MORON who can't even remember what osama said about WHY he was attacking us.... when it was called to his attention that he ignored israel in his original 'declaration of war on america', he issued the letter you just quoted. you just make up ****. that's all you do. you make **** up then vomit your hatred of the US about why nazi beleifs are correct here you ASSHOLE, is what bin laden said BEFORE he attacked us about WHY he was attacking us http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terroris...atwa_1996.html Hey did you actually read this rant? OBL makes repeated references to the Crusader-Zionist alliance and if that confused you he also says American-Israeli alliance He goes farther to say Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq. This is about Israel, get over it. YOU are a ****ING NAZI MORON. it's of NO consequence to you that the nazi islamist movement attacked the US. YOU BLAME IT ON THE UNITED STATES i notice NONE of your right wing ass kissing buddies noticed your cowardice.... asshole You really have to calm down. I don't want your heart attack on my conscience. Well, what do you expect him to rant about? His a lunatic murderer with religious zealots on his side. We you expecting him to complain about the lack of EPA oversight? |
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wrote in message ... He goes farther to say Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq. This is about Israel, get over it. which, i suppose, is why he doesnt mention israel, He says "palestine" That is Israel The Zionists are the Israelis Why is that so hard for you to understand? We can debate whether our support of Israel is worth the price but let's not minimize the cost or the fact that it is the only reason we are in the middle east. If this was just about oil we would have invaded Venezuela by now. The Great Game has been going on for a long time in the middle east region. We already messed with countries in South America, so there goes that argument. |
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