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On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:53:01 -0400, Harry ?
wrote: .. Obama can steer the government into creating or sustaining public sector jobs, and federal agencies can help the private sector be in a better position to create or add jobs or rehire, but the private sector isn't doing anything, despite soaring profits in some segments. It's too bad the "private" economy doesn't work anymore. the logic USED to be that companies would transfer SOME portion of productivity increases to workers in the form of increased wages. this is needed to keep the middle class vibrant and spending. but in the last 30 years, ALL producitivity increases have gone to CEO's and stockholders (the top 10% of weathholders have 90% of stock). that's one principal reason we're in the shape we're in. the wealthy are now reaping what they sowed. |
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On 23-Jul-2010, W1TEF wrote: The Kerry Way!! "Sen. John Kerry, who has repeatedly voted to raise taxes while in Congress, dodged a whopping six-figure state tax bill on his new multimillion-dollar yacht by mooring her in Newport, R.I." http://bostonherald.com/track/inside...icleid=1269698 Gotta love it. So he's a hypocrite and scum bag, not an idiot! No news there. |
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On 24/07/2010 6:02 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:56:27 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:55:29 -0400, wrote: . gee. why not let the GOP drop its lies about capital gains tax cuts stimulating the economy and see? I think we have already seen. When Clinton cut the Cap gains rate to 20% the Dow went to $11,000. When Bush cut it to 15% the Dow went to $14,000. gee. how'd the dow do over the last 3 years with bush's tax cuts in place oh. it tanked. yeah. that's certainly proof that tax cuts help the economy, isn't it? The Dow was $10,424 Friday and if Obama could actually create some jobs that weren'r census takers and unemployment clerks it would be $15,000. Of course that only affects "buy and hold" people. If you had sense enough to stop l;oss your windfall in 2006-2007 then buy back in after the crash, you made a lot of money. I posted my 401k numbers the other day and my fund manager made over 4% per year over the last 3. But we have to be thankful for that once in a life time bonaza the liberal-lefties ponzi money management gave us. Buying Ford at $2.25 and selling in the high $6, and others ... priceless. 4%, that is nothing. If a fund maanger was worth salt, they would have don't that in an average month in 2009. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
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On 24/07/2010 6:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
unfortunately private industry in the US is supposed to create jobs. they're not. after 30 years of starving the middle class, america's corporations have discovered that people cant spend money they dont have It is not economical at the moment to provide those jobs. Most people don't have the money for debt and taxes. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
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On 24/07/2010 6:53 PM, Harry  wrote:
On 7/24/10 8:02 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:56:27 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:55:29 -0400, wrote: . gee. why not let the GOP drop its lies about capital gains tax cuts stimulating the economy and see? I think we have already seen. When Clinton cut the Cap gains rate to 20% the Dow went to $11,000. When Bush cut it to 15% the Dow went to $14,000. gee. how'd the dow do over the last 3 years with bush's tax cuts in place oh. it tanked. yeah. that's certainly proof that tax cuts help the economy, isn't it? The Dow was $10,424 Friday and if Obama could actually create some jobs that weren'r census takers and unemployment clerks it would be $15,000. Of course that only affects "buy and hold" people. If you had sense enough to stop l;oss your windfall in 2006-2007 then buy back in after the crash, you made a lot of money. I posted my 401k numbers the other day and my fund manager made over 4% per year over the last 3. Obama can steer the government into creating or sustaining public sector jobs, and federal agencies can help the private sector be in a better position to create or add jobs or rehire, but the private sector isn't doing anything, despite soaring profits in some segments. It's too bad the "private" economy doesn't work anymore. Not sustainable. Governemtn cannot create wealth, they can only redistribute it and consume it. But cannot create wealth. You really do not knwo economics if you do not understand government cannot create wealth. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:10:35 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 24/07/2010 6:15 PM, bpuharic wrote: unfortunately private industry in the US is supposed to create jobs. they're not. after 30 years of starving the middle class, america's corporations have discovered that people cant spend money they dont have It is not economical at the moment to provide those jobs. yeah. the right can't steal enough money right now because the middle class is tapped out. Most people don't have the money for debt and taxes. correct. the richest 1% had their incomes increase by 500% in the last 30 years while the middle class had NO increase and the right wing wonders why the middle class isn't spending DUH!! |
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:12:18 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Not sustainable. Governemtn cannot create wealth, they can only redistribute it and consume it. But cannot create wealth. they can make investments that have a positive ROI, just like companies can. You really do not knwo economics if you do not understand government cannot create wealth. weatlh has many forms. and yes, govt can create wealth ever hear of public education? |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Jul 23, 3:13 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:18:26 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:06:50 -0700, jps wrote: You think there are more rich Ds than Rs? Just the ones with power, like Senators and presidents. I am sure a lot more poor people believe Democrats are helping them but if you can believe the chart Bob is selling this week, the "middle class" got screwed as badly in the 90s as they did in the 2000s. Oh, come on. Those are the second and third tier sock puppets who do the bidding of the truly powerful. They write and pass laws to protect wealth and put systems in place to ensure that the wealthy aren't disturbed. My bet is that wealthy Ds are far more likely to accept a raise in taxes than their Republican counterparts. And my contention is that there are far fewer truly wealthy Ds than Rs. It is well known that Dems get more of their money from rich people whereas the Repubs get theirs from small individual donations. Dems are the party of the rich and the party of the parasitical overpaid govt employees. Look at how many of the Obama appointees illegally avoided paying taxes until they were appointed. Then they were allowed to just pay a few fines. Fat chance of that happening to anybody else. Dems believe in taxing the poor and because they are rich they can afford to pay tax advisors to avoid paying taxes. All taxpayers are equal but some are more equal than others. Democrats are the party of the rich. WHAT??? You're just making things up. The 180 deg opposite is true. Good grief at least try to lie creatively and with some subtlety. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Jul 23, 5:50 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:47:11 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:13:19 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:18:26 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:06:50 -0700, jps wrote: You think there are more rich Ds than Rs? Just the ones with power, like Senators and presidents. I am sure a lot more poor people believe Democrats are helping them but if you can believe the chart Bob is selling this week, the "middle class" got screwed as badly in the 90s as they did in the 2000s. Oh, come on. Those are the second and third tier sock puppets who do the bidding of the truly powerful. They write and pass laws to protect wealth and put systems in place to ensure that the wealthy aren't disturbed. My bet is that wealthy Ds are far more likely to accept a raise in taxes than their Republican counterparts. It certainly wouldn't be Kerry would it? Singling out one example is silly and you know it. Who (in this group especially) wouldn't want to avoid paying excise tax on a boat purchase if they could do so by mooring the vessel in a nearby state? That's a ****load of moorage prepaid. Being a Democrat doesn't obligate you to run towards paying taxes. Being a Republican does obligate you to tilt the tax structure towards favoring the wealthy. It is a simple case of hypocrisy, wanting other people to pay taxes he is not willing to pay. This is the way of liberalism. In your case, it's a simple case of stupidity. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:01:47 -0700, jps wrote: You are rife with dishonesty. Gore isn't an average person. Is he any greater or less than a person in similar circumstances? When they compared Gore's house with GWB's house it was apparent who the real carbon hog was. Gore does live in a castle (now two castles) but I guess he is a lot richer than Bush ... from selling phony carbon credits and being a TV evangelist for a cult religion.. That is a business that makes CDO salesmen look like an honorable profession. Come on. The world's problems are not Gore's fault or Bush's fault, but when you look at who has caused the most problems for the world, that would be Bush and it's not even close. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:50:30 -0700, jps wrote: My bet is that wealthy Ds are far more likely to accept a raise in taxes than their Republican counterparts. It certainly wouldn't be Kerry would it? Singling out one example is silly and you know it. Kerry is an all around hypocrite. He rails on about "carbon" but he was one of the loudest critics of "Cape Wind". All of that alternate energy stuff is great as long as it isn't near his house. There may be some Democrats who really care about he working man but most of them are indistinguishable from republicans. That is certainly true of the two (D) presidents since Carter. One admits he was a Bush brother, the other one hasn't come out of the closet yet. What are you talking about??? I'm having trouble thinking of ONE Republican, president, senator, or representative who actually gives a damn about doing what's right for people in this country. The latest debacle with the unemployment ins. extension is a prefect example. Two Republican senators voted for the money for desperate people. One Democrat voted against it. |
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"Charles C." wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:50:30 -0700, jps wrote: My bet is that wealthy Ds are far more likely to accept a raise in taxes than their Republican counterparts. It certainly wouldn't be Kerry would it? Singling out one example is silly and you know it. Kerry is an all around hypocrite. He rails on about "carbon" but he was one of the loudest critics of "Cape Wind". All of that alternate energy stuff is great as long as it isn't near his house. Yep. Notice how Kerry is keeping a low profile nationally? Tries to stay off the radar screen. Doesn't want to comment on much of anything going on. Plays the party line when he has to in terms of supporting Obama, but doesn't offer much. He's watching from the sidelines. If he determines that Obama is in trouble in 2012, Kerry will be the first to throw O under the bus and pursue the nomination. CC You're going after Kerry???? How about all the jerkoffs in the Republican caucus who don't have a problem giving rich people a break and turn around and try and prevent desperate people from feeding their kids. |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:56:27 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:55:29 -0400, wrote: . gee. why not let the GOP drop its lies about capital gains tax cuts stimulating the economy and see? I think we have already seen. When Clinton cut the Cap gains rate to 20% the Dow went to $11,000. When Bush cut it to 15% the Dow went to $14,000. gee. how'd the dow do over the last 3 years with bush's tax cuts in place oh. it tanked. yeah. that's certainly proof that tax cuts help the economy, isn't it? The Dow was $10,424 Friday and if Obama could actually create some jobs that weren'r census takers and unemployment clerks it would be $15,000. Of course that only affects "buy and hold" people. If you had sense enough to stop l;oss your windfall in 2006-2007 then buy back in after the crash, you made a lot of money. I posted my 401k numbers the other day and my fund manager made over 4% per year over the last 3. Bummer about the facts isn't it... http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/...reation-in-1q/ |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:25:18 -0400, bpuharic wrote: You really do not knwo economics if you do not understand government cannot create wealth. weatlh has many forms. and yes, govt can create wealth ever hear of public education? You don't want to go there. The public education system has created those 100,000,000 million people without the job skills to compete in a world economy. Completely and utter nonsense. |
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:11:14 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:53:56 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:44:51 -0400, wrote: weatlh has many forms. and yes, govt can create wealth ever hear of public education? You don't want to go there. The public education system has created those 100,000,000 million people without the job skills to compete in a world economy. uh no. wall street did that. virtually all those people were employed prior to 2007. then wall street went crazy and destroyed the economy. or are you saying that, in a period of 3 years, the entire educational structure of the US collapsed and caused 50 year old workers to lose their skills? I am saying there were a lot of people working in jobs that don't really require much skill and making a lot of money. Those jobs moved offshore. which, of course, is pure bull**** we lost 10,000,000 jobs in 3 years. those jobs disappeared as wall street's excesses dried up the credit line that the middle class was using in lieu of an increase in wages. you right wingers hate middle class people so you INSIST that wall street...filled with guys making a billion dollars a year...had NOTHING to do with this meltdown...and that, somehow, 100,000,000 middle class wage earners in 3 years destroyed the economy is there ANY more proof needed that the right wing is overflowing in bull****? If you are a "rust belt" auto worker you better move to Tennessee or Mexico if you are not willing to learn a whole new profession. and here's where the right wing bull**** overflows in all its glory my dad was a pittsburgh steelworker. i saw the effects of a dying industry. i'm an eningeer in the semiconductor industry. i saw the results of the dot com bust but THIS meltdown was NOT production industry specific no matter WHAT this masturbator of the upper class thinks. it was a FINANCIAL SERVICES SECTOR meltdown engineering by the wealthiest and most elite group of people across the world it had NOTHING to do with the middle class at all. nothing. it had nothing to do with our education, our work ethic, our family values or any OTHER right wing bull**** he wants to pour out like so much sewage There is nothing the government can do about that. Our universities give people a well rounded liberal arts degree with very little that actually has anything to do with what an employer wants you to do at work. gee 25% of all american college students major in business. and where did the harvard and yale and chicago grads go over the last 10 years? wall street. you just cant believe the rich would stab us in the back. your right wing head would just explode at the idea, so instead of blaming a few thousand hedgefund managers and wall street execs you blame 100 million hard working americans you right wingers really DO hate the middle class |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:41:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The latest debacle with the unemployment ins. extension is a prefect example. Two Republican senators voted for the money for desperate people. One Democrat voted against it. The GOP just wanted to pay for the extra benefits, not borrow more money. The Democrats said, in the whole 2.38 trillion dollar budget, they couldn't find a way to cut $33 billion from something to make this revenue neutral. Just a suggestion, that is about a month of what we are ****ing away in Afghanistan. The fact is that the GOP is quite willing to let the rich have their tax breaks without any cuts elsewhere, but when it comes to people who are struggling, they have to be funded by cutting something. Afg. has nothing to do with denying family's their ability to feed their kids. |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:53:56 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:44:51 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:25:18 -0400, bpuharic wrote: You really do not knwo economics if you do not understand government cannot create wealth. weatlh has many forms. and yes, govt can create wealth ever hear of public education? You don't want to go there. The public education system has created those 100,000,000 million people without the job skills to compete in a world economy. uh no. wall street did that. virtually all those people were employed prior to 2007. then wall street went crazy and destroyed the economy. or are you saying that, in a period of 3 years, the entire educational structure of the US collapsed and caused 50 year old workers to lose their skills? I am saying there were a lot of people working in jobs that don't really require much skill and making a lot of money. Those jobs moved offshore. If you are a "rust belt" auto worker you better move to Tennessee or Mexico if you are not willing to learn a whole new profession. There is nothing the government can do about that. Our universities give people a well rounded liberal arts degree with very little that actually has anything to do with what an employer wants you to do at work. Completely wrong. A well-rounded liberal arts degree is an excellent gateway for lots of well-paying jobs. You don't have to be an engineer to be hirable. They have business school graduates who don't have a clue how to actually run a business. Or a country, aka GWB. As you are complaining about, even an engineering degree is no guarantee of a good job, particularly when there is a kid in India with a fresher degree and all the new technology knowledge who will work for $10,000 a year. So, if that's true, then what's wrong with an English degree for example? It's much harder to send a job that requires colloquial American English skills to India than it takes for one to hire an excellent programmer in India. |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:11:14 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:53:56 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:44:51 -0400, wrote: weatlh has many forms. and yes, govt can create wealth ever hear of public education? You don't want to go there. The public education system has created those 100,000,000 million people without the job skills to compete in a world economy. uh no. wall street did that. virtually all those people were employed prior to 2007. then wall street went crazy and destroyed the economy. or are you saying that, in a period of 3 years, the entire educational structure of the US collapsed and caused 50 year old workers to lose their skills? I am saying there were a lot of people working in jobs that don't really require much skill and making a lot of money. Those jobs moved offshore. which, of course, is pure bull**** we lost 10,000,000 jobs in 3 years. those jobs disappeared as wall street's excesses dried up the credit line that the middle class was using in lieu of an increase in wages. you right wingers hate middle class people so you INSIST that wall street...filled with guys making a billion dollars a year...had NOTHING to do with this meltdown...and that, somehow, 100,000,000 middle class wage earners in 3 years destroyed the economy is there ANY more proof needed that the right wing is overflowing in bull****? If you are a "rust belt" auto worker you better move to Tennessee or Mexico if you are not willing to learn a whole new profession. and here's where the right wing bull**** overflows in all its glory my dad was a pittsburgh steelworker. i saw the effects of a dying industry. i'm an eningeer in the semiconductor industry. i saw the results of the dot com bust but THIS meltdown was NOT production industry specific no matter WHAT this masturbator of the upper class thinks. it was a FINANCIAL SERVICES SECTOR meltdown engineering by the wealthiest and most elite group of people across the world it had NOTHING to do with the middle class at all. nothing. it had nothing to do with our education, our work ethic, our family values or any OTHER right wing bull**** he wants to pour out like so much sewage There is nothing the government can do about that. Our universities give people a well rounded liberal arts degree with very little that actually has anything to do with what an employer wants you to do at work. gee 25% of all american college students major in business. and where did the harvard and yale and chicago grads go over the last 10 years? wall street. you just cant believe the rich would stab us in the back. your right wing head would just explode at the idea, so instead of blaming a few thousand hedgefund managers and wall street execs you blame 100 million hard working americans you right wingers really DO hate the middle class Isn't this all getting a bit repetitious? |
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:53:56 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:44:51 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:25:18 -0400, bpuharic wrote: You really do not knwo economics if you do not understand government cannot create wealth. weatlh has many forms. and yes, govt can create wealth ever hear of public education? You don't want to go there. The public education system has created those 100,000,000 million people without the job skills to compete in a world economy. uh no. wall street did that. virtually all those people were employed prior to 2007. then wall street went crazy and destroyed the economy. or are you saying that, in a period of 3 years, the entire educational structure of the US collapsed and caused 50 year old workers to lose their skills? I am saying there were a lot of people working in jobs that don't really require much skill and making a lot of money. Those jobs moved offshore. No, you hammered the public education system, as you've hammered unions, and American workers in general. Only Wall Street seems to escape your criticism. The only part you got right so far is inflated salaries. Lucky for you and me we cashed in on that before Wall Street got in gear and shipped our jobs offshore, eh? If you are a "rust belt" auto worker you better move to Tennessee or Mexico if you are not willing to learn a whole new profession. Here's a clue. Tennessee has a 10.1% unemployment rate. And Mexico doesn't look kindly on illegal gringos. There is no "whole new profession" not subject to a bad economy. If everybody learns to be a nurse, nurses will make minimum wage. Hope you're not naive enough to think all the rust belt factory workers should become nurses, brain surgeons or pet boutique operators. Even if they could. Hell, I've seen examples of those who changed professions by going to school to become teachers and can't find a job. There is nothing the government can do about that. Sure it can, and eventually it will when things get bad enough. Restrictive trade policies, tax incentives for manufacturing, etc. You really don't think all other developing and third world countries do this? I expect widespread homelessness will prod the gov a bit. After all, homelessness and hunger are indications of a developing or third world nation. Looks sort of like that's where we're headed. Something like this would knock 6 points of the unemployment figures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Import_Certificates When the pain becomes explosive, such solutions will be become real. But there will be no more of that free money that boomers like me and you scored. All looking at the past for answers is useless, as is the blame game. Solutions are needed, not blame, hand-wringing, or can't-do attitudes. This is an entirely different world than it was a short few years ago. All your bull**** about how made it doesn't even apply. You're an antique. So am I, but I know it. One thing doesn't change though; the wheels that squeak the loudest will get oiled. Our universities give people a well rounded liberal arts degree with very little that actually has anything to do with what an employer wants you to do at work. Nobody is forced into a curriculum, and there are many avenues for education other than lib arts. Most students pick curriculum with the job market and their own abilities guiding the selection. But there's no point if there's no job market. They have business school graduates who don't have a clue how to actually run a business. You talking about the guys running Wall Street? As you are complaining about, even an engineering degree is no guarantee of a good job, particularly when there is a kid in India with a fresher degree and all the new technology knowledge who will work for $10,000 a year. I think pbuharic's technical education is some degree above yours and mine. I haven't seen him express worries about losing his job. Only one I've seen here that appears to have had his job was killed is you. But I've heard of plenty of others. Would you like pbuharic to lose his job to a $10,000 Indian if you saved a buck on the product he works on? The other +$100k bucks saved would go to Wall Street titans with some spread out to shareholders. Most jobless aren't shareholders. Maybe former shareholders. One thing for sure, it will further weaken the U.S. economy. I know Deplume has no problem with that, and it's pretty much the same with all the "middle class" conspicuous consumers. That's why some government management of trade and business incentives is needed to keep jobs here. Until they get Americans working again all the pols are in for a hot time. They can't kick massive unemployment too far down the road. The masses are a stupid lot and will crap in their own abode, including the so-called "middle class." pbuharic probably shops at Walmart like the rest of us. If more had some measure of that liberal arts education you deride, they would have known the meaning of the bell's tolling. But no, they had to learn the hard way. Now they're squealing like stuck pigs. Even rich guys like bpuharic. We'll see whose squeak gets oiled. Sometimes the masses win, sometimes the money wins. Jim - Global economics is no simple matter. Homelessness, lack of medical care, and hunger because there's no work ain't too complicated. |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:35:29 -0400, bpuharic wrote: and george bush killed 4400 US troops in iraq while spending a trillion there how'd that work out? About the same as Afghanistan, what's your point.? Obama is still in both places. And, the troop numbers in Iraq are dropping as per his stated objective. He's said the Afg. situation will change next year, and I have no reason to doubt that's what will happen. BOTH of these situations are Bush's fault. |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:52:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:53:56 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:44:51 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:25:18 -0400, bpuharic wrote: You really do not knwo economics if you do not understand government cannot create wealth. weatlh has many forms. and yes, govt can create wealth ever hear of public education? You don't want to go there. The public education system has created those 100,000,000 million people without the job skills to compete in a world economy. uh no. wall street did that. virtually all those people were employed prior to 2007. then wall street went crazy and destroyed the economy. or are you saying that, in a period of 3 years, the entire educational structure of the US collapsed and caused 50 year old workers to lose their skills? I am saying there were a lot of people working in jobs that don't really require much skill and making a lot of money. Those jobs moved offshore. If you are a "rust belt" auto worker you better move to Tennessee or Mexico if you are not willing to learn a whole new profession. There is nothing the government can do about that. Our universities give people a well rounded liberal arts degree with very little that actually has anything to do with what an employer wants you to do at work. Completely wrong. A well-rounded liberal arts degree is an excellent gateway for lots of well-paying jobs. You don't have to be an engineer to be hirable. What exactly does post modern French art appreciation do for you if you are going to be a middle level manager at a lumber yard? Why would I want to work at a lumber yard as a manager? However, the organizational skills of that degree would lend themselves very well report writing and other functions. They have business school graduates who don't have a clue how to actually run a business. Or a country, aka GWB. Exactly As you are complaining about, even an engineering degree is no guarantee of a good job, particularly when there is a kid in India with a fresher degree and all the new technology knowledge who will work for $10,000 a year. So, if that's true, then what's wrong with an English degree for example? It's much harder to send a job that requires colloquial American English skills to India than it takes for one to hire an excellent programmer in India. You can learn to speak the queen's language quite well without going to college for 4 years. That is a red herring. It should be a high school skill ... if our K-12 wasn't so ineffective. My daughter had to spend 5 years getting a 4 year degree because her high school education did not get her ready for college .. and she was an honor roll student all 4 years of high school in a system that now spends $20,000 per kid per year. |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:38:22 -0400, wrote: What exactly does post modern French art appreciation do for you if you are going to be a middle level manager at a lumber yard? As part of a diverse transcript, it might indicate you can do about anything. Casady Exactly. |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:43:09 -0400, Richard Casady wrote: What exactly does post modern French art appreciation do for you if you are going to be a middle level manager at a lumber yard? As part of a diverse transcript, it might indicate you can do about anything. Of capable of doing virtually nothing productive. According to you. |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:38:22 -0400, wrote: What exactly does post modern French art appreciation do for you if you are going to be a middle level manager at a lumber yard? As part of a diverse transcript, it might indicate you can do about anything. Casady Would that be speaking or discussing the post modern French art era with a fellow lumberjack during work hours, or on break? I know the bosses definitely have a problem if work stops and they ask why, and the reply is, "We were discussing the post modern French art era, as it evolved from the Post Renaissance era." That will get you an ass whooping or fired or both. It might pass hours and hours in an intellectual setting over banana martinis, but what real world application would it have to help you get or keep a job that involves any labor at all? Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com |
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On 7/26/10 3:29 PM, Steve B wrote:
"Richard wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:38:22 -0400, wrote: What exactly does post modern French art appreciation do for you if you are going to be a middle level manager at a lumber yard? As part of a diverse transcript, it might indicate you can do about anything. Casady Would that be speaking or discussing the post modern French art era with a fellow lumberjack during work hours, or on break? I know the bosses definitely have a problem if work stops and they ask why, and the reply is, "We were discussing the post modern French art era, as it evolved from the Post Renaissance era." That will get you an ass whooping or fired or both. It might pass hours and hours in an intellectual setting over banana martinis, but what real world application would it have to help you get or keep a job that involves any labor at all? Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com I'm sure everyone here can discuss Yves Klein, Mark Vallen, Yves Peintures while eating brie on a ritz. |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:19:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:56:27 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:55:29 -0400, wrote: . gee. why not let the GOP drop its lies about capital gains tax cuts stimulating the economy and see? I think we have already seen. When Clinton cut the Cap gains rate to 20% the Dow went to $11,000. When Bush cut it to 15% the Dow went to $14,000. gee. how'd the dow do over the last 3 years with bush's tax cuts in place oh. it tanked. yeah. that's certainly proof that tax cuts help the economy, isn't it? The Dow was $10,424 Friday and if Obama could actually create some jobs that weren'r census takers and unemployment clerks it would be $15,000. Of course that only affects "buy and hold" people. If you had sense enough to stop l;oss your windfall in 2006-2007 then buy back in after the crash, you made a lot of money. I posted my 401k numbers the other day and my fund manager made over 4% per year over the last 3. Bummer about the facts isn't it... http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/...reation-in-1q/ Yeah buddy they expect a whopping 0.4% drop in unemployment this year. Well, is that better than an increase? Seems to me lower is better. " The unemployment rate, which is calculated using a separate government survey, fell to 9.7% in January from 10% the previous month. The NABE survey expects the jobless rate to be at a still high 9.6% in the final three months of 2010, " Wheee! The "job creation" barely seems to be covering people coming into the job force. As opposed to booting out lots more... I think I'll take it. |
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:58:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:
"bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:11:14 -0400, wrote: gee 25% of all american college students major in business. and where did the harvard and yale and chicago grads go over the last 10 years? wall street. you just cant believe the rich would stab us in the back. your right wing head would just explode at the idea, so instead of blaming a few thousand hedgefund managers and wall street execs you blame 100 million hard working americans you right wingers really DO hate the middle class Isn't this all getting a bit repetitious? yeah. right up there with the stuff about obama being a marxist muslim |
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On 7/26/10 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Bummer about the facts isn't it... http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/...reation-in-1q/ Yeah buddy they expect a whopping 0.4% drop in unemployment this year. Well, is that better than an increase? Seems to me lower is better. OK well at that rate we will get back to the 2007 unemployment rate in 2023 And your solution is? |
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:52:08 -0400, Harry ?
wrote: On 7/26/10 8:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Bummer about the facts isn't it... http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/...reation-in-1q/ Yeah buddy they expect a whopping 0.4% drop in unemployment this year. Well, is that better than an increase? Seems to me lower is better. OK well at that rate we will get back to the 2007 unemployment rate in 2023 And your solution is? gas the middle class. they're replaceable. |
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:52:52 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:38:16 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:31:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:35:29 -0400, bpuharic wrote: and george bush killed 4400 US troops in iraq while spending a trillion there how'd that work out? About the same as Afghanistan, what's your point.? Obama is still in both places. we're winding down in iraq I will believe when I see it ROFLMAO!! i know right wingers don't pay attention to the news but try reading something for once, OK? hell, you might learn that rush is bull****ting you! i know that, as a right winger you dont follow the news but there are less than 50K troops in iraq and afganistan? guess you havent heard of 9/11. Yeah I heard of it. I also heard the people who planned it have not been in Afghanistan for 6 years. hmmm...again you need to read the news. the taliban just abducted 2 US servicemen the other day you guys really are stupid aren't you? |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:03:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: and george bush killed 4400 US troops in iraq while spending a trillion there how'd that work out? About the same as Afghanistan, what's your point.? Obama is still in both places. And, the troop numbers in Iraq are dropping as per his stated objective. I suppose you heard about the Afghan surge? They still have more people GOING IN. And, they have an exit strategy. A flexible one, but a stated one. Next question. |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:38:16 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:31:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:35:29 -0400, bpuharic wrote: and george bush killed 4400 US troops in iraq while spending a trillion there how'd that work out? About the same as Afghanistan, what's your point.? Obama is still in both places. we're winding down in iraq I will believe when I see it i know that, as a right winger you dont follow the news but there are less than 50K troops in iraq and afganistan? guess you havent heard of 9/11. Yeah I heard of it. I also heard the people who planned it have not been in Afghanistan for 6 years. You can already see it. |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Bummer about the facts isn't it... http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/...reation-in-1q/ Yeah buddy they expect a whopping 0.4% drop in unemployment this year. Well, is that better than an increase? Seems to me lower is better. OK well at that rate we will get back to the 2007 unemployment rate in 2023 Sure, except as you know, that's not how an economy works. It ramps up or down over time. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Econ...spx?Symbol=USD |
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"Harry " wrote in message m... On 7/26/10 8:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Bummer about the facts isn't it... http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/...reation-in-1q/ Yeah buddy they expect a whopping 0.4% drop in unemployment this year. Well, is that better than an increase? Seems to me lower is better. OK well at that rate we will get back to the 2007 unemployment rate in 2023 And your solution is? I hope it's not get rid of the Depts. of Energy and Education! I don't think that's going to solve the problem. :) |
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On Jul 26, 8:24*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:03:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: and george bush killed 4400 US troops in iraq while spending a trillion there how'd that work out? About the same as Afghanistan, what's your point.? Obama is still in both places. And, the troop numbers in Iraq are dropping as per his stated objective.. I suppose you heard about the Afghan surge? They still have more people GOING IN. And, they have an exit strategy. A flexible one, but a stated one. Next question. Yes, yes, D'Plume. And exit strategy which is second only to the exit strategy for Gitmo. |
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