"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:22:20 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/07/2010 3:26 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:51:31 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:


bull****. it DIDNT have a living wage. THAT'S the problem! it hasnt
had a real wage increase on 10 years.

any other fairy tales you want to spread?

By definition they live in the middle. The problem you babyboomers /
GenXers have decided that a living wage is $200,000 a year. You have
to be
able to afford a nice couple cars, nice boat, 3000 sq ft. home, and a 3
week
vacation in some really nice 4 star place. You are in error.


ah. blame the middle class. that's the right wing solution to
everyting.

protect the rich

blame the middle class

CalifBill said it right, no one gives a crap that you lost. And you
lost because you were stupid.

no, i lost because i was middle class. you seem to forget that there
are 100M in the same shape i'm in

but, then, you're right wing. the problems of the middle class dont
interest you at all. not a bit


Where the hell you get 100,000,000? Another factoid pulled out of your ass!
a 1/3 of the people in the us are not middle class workers. There were only
120,000,000 employed in 2008. Most people, middle class included had less
than $50k in savings and retirement funds when they retired. And that was
before the crash. Most did not lose much in the crash, as they had spent
all the money they made already. A few years ago, we discussed the cost of
boats on this group. At least one person said they did not care what the
boat cost, but what the payment per month were. They ignored the fact the
boat loan was for 15 years for a $9,000 boat. That attitude was and is
rampant in both the lower and middle class. Admit it, you made bad choices,
and are economically ignorant. We lost jobs because people decided a living
wage was required, and that living wage was enough to be upper middle class
in the last 60 years. the local transit district BART, pays a driver, who
sits and checks that no one is stuck in the doors at the stop and if the
control goes down will drive to the next station at 25 mph. Tracks, no
steering wheel. No crossing guard to worry about. Maybe a GED required.
$80k salary and $60k in benefits. The workers say they require a living
wage. No they don't require an upscale living wage. We have priced
ourselves out of the market. Our exports are airplanes and food. To things
we really build well, or have the skill and land to grow. How the hell are
you going to compete with an engineer in India that has better education to
equivalent to yours and will work for $40k? This is who we are competing
with. Those 3rd world countries are requiring their children to go to
school and learn. Not go to school part time and ignore homework etc. Not
like Washington DC with a 52% DROPOUT rate and the highest cost per student
in the US. Chicago with a 76% male African-American dropout rate. We are
racing to the bottom because of a bunch of spoiled whiners. You are a prime
example. No raise in 10 years, says you suck at your job. Go get another
one. Improve your performance and attitude. Only reason all those homes
sold for a 25% increase in price, was because a government required banks,
etc to loan money for home purchase regardless of ability to pay. And the
government bought those loans. So Clinton, Bush, etc. all were pushing the
bubble. And when the first person could not sell his house for more than
his cost and could not make the payment when the 1% 3 year or 5 year
interest only loan reset to actually be a loan, the house of cards started
crashing. 100% Democrat and Republican and Independent Congress peoples
fault. Not Wall Street, not the big banks. They were going along because
the government was giving them huge profits. Wall streets and the big banks
were greedy so they insured the loans and sold them for even more profit.
That was criminal, but all started because government gave away the house.